Filling in a pond and dealing with cane...

Filling in a pond and dealing with cane...

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CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Hi all,

Never ventured into here so apologies if something like this has come up before - I have a couple of questions.

1. Filling in a pond. I know I'm going to need a few tons of hardcore however what should be done with the liner? Pull it all out or fold it on top of itself and bury it? And would the pond have to be completely drained and emptied or would 6-9 inches of sludge be ok to chuck stuff on top of? Pond is around 12ft long and 4ft deep.

2. Dealing with around 10-12sqmtr of cane roots when it might not be possible for getting a mini digger in the garden. I've chopped all the cane down however what's left is a complete nightmare! I'm not sure if it has grown through or on top of a membrane and the ground is also deep in pebbles.

I've attached a couple of 'photos for a better idea of the situation.





All help and advice greatly appreciated!

V8RX7

26,827 posts

263 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I'd just slash the liner.

If by cane you mean bamboo you will need a mini digger or a lot of time with a spade, mattock, axe, blood, sweat...

Some Gump

12,687 posts

186 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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If that's all bamboo, then I suggest you negotiate peace on the gaza strip instead. It'll be a lot easier than killing off the bamboo...



CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Yup, bamboo and not cane. No idea why I said the former... Looking at the complete mess it's made I think I'll put my name in for that Gaza job now frown I'll have word with my mum's neighbours (it's her garden) and enquire about taking some dividing fence panels down to get a digger in.

Some Gump

12,687 posts

186 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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There are 2 types of bamboo. Clump forming, and "spreads like herpes in a hot tub" kind. You can identify the latter because it forms long roots that go horizontally.

I had the herpes one. Couldn't use a digger, because it'd kill the hawthorn (think 10 year+ established). I tried lots of things, but overall the pockaxe was best. Start at the edges, and pull back - exposes the roots to remove.

I've had to leave the area fallow for a full year - even 1" of root can let it come back. Since the soil is loose and no other plants there, I can just have at it with a garden fork and get the stragglers.

It was backbreaking, will power sapping and resolve testing work. If you can use a digger to get the main bits, IMO it's worth it. If your neighbour is under the threat of annexation by the bamboo, they might well let you access via theirs!

CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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It's the herpes type... Aren't I in for some fun! I've free use of a friend's mattock and I'll start enquiring tomorrow about a digger and rule that in or out.

V8RX7

26,827 posts

263 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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The Mini ones will fit through an 800 wide gate / doorway so it's usually possible to get them in - mate is a landscaper and he's taken his through the occasional house.

Some Gump

12,687 posts

186 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I think you have 4-5 times the area of bamboo.

If your root mass is similar to mine, I make that 15 green bins of just root. Get youself some good gloves and good luck!

CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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The moulded pond is a fraction smaller than the size of a bath and what's in it is maybe 1/4 to a 1/3 of what I've cleared just from the surface with maybe 1/3 of the surface still to do. Ground is very soft once through the stones and roots but it's still a p in the a! Just glad I can see some progress.


V8RX7

26,827 posts

263 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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You're lucky, that's very different to my stuff

CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I'll take lucky yesbiggrin

R6VED

1,370 posts

140 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I fille din a large pond at my current house and pulled out a load of liner and left the rest in there - it was too hard to pull out. I slashed it with a Stanley knife repeatedly (quite therapeutic) and over 3 years later have had no issues - well apart from the frogs no longer coming to lay their frogspawn which is a shame.

I bought some bamboo and put it in plastic lined wodden planters, not sure what type it is other than golden, but was worried about the possibility of it overrunning the whole garden - it has grown like a bd in the last 3 months and is great for screening :-)

CardShark

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4,193 posts

179 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I slashed a small amount of liner late this afternoon, looks like I might need another skip so I'll save some for that and bury whatever is too tricky to remove. Found a very small patch of clumping bamboo amongst the roots of the others, if yours isn't clumping then for gawd's sake keep that plant pot away from your lawn!

MikeGoodwin

3,337 posts

117 months

Friday 2nd September 2016
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Maybe it was black bamboo?

ive just removed green bamboo from my garden this year which previous owner had let overgrow. It took me and my mate who digs holes for a living (water company) and let me tell you it was a right bd. We had to dig about 3 foot under the roots of the thing and dig it out.

4 months on and its STILL shooting up now and again. bamboo is the devil.