The Official 2016 Malaysian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2016 Malaysian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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rsbmw

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3,464 posts

106 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
There is only you who seems to be making this stuff up. Just what the F1 sub-forum needed, another ridiculous troll with nothing of value to add.

andymadmak

14,635 posts

271 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
You probably think you are being clever/ironic/funny. But you're really not. Wrong oil may be a factor. Still doesn't explain why only Lewis car was affected though.
Equally a loss of oil leading to big end failure could be down to a loose union.

When you finally decide to engage with the question as to why only LH engines are affected this year out of 8 on the grid then maybe you might come up with something worth reading. Others have managed it quite sensibly. Why don't you have a go - you might surprise yourself!

HustleRussell

24,772 posts

161 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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andymadmak said:
tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
You probably think you are being clever/ironic/funny. But you're really not. Wrong oil may be a factor. Still doesn't explain why only Lewis car was affected though.
Equally a loss of oil leading to big end failure could be down to a loose union.

When you finally decide to engage with the question as to why only LH engines are affected this year out of 8 on the grid then maybe you might come up with something worth reading. Others have managed it quite sensibly. Why don't you have a go - you might surprise yourself!
As far as I can tell, every post from Mr. Munster has been a bit tongue-in-cheek. He can stay, it's humourous. Some folk need to lighten up.

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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HustleRussell said:
andymadmak said:
tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
You probably think you are being clever/ironic/funny. But you're really not. Wrong oil may be a factor. Still doesn't explain why only Lewis car was affected though.
Equally a loss of oil leading to big end failure could be down to a loose union.

When you finally decide to engage with the question as to why only LH engines are affected this year out of 8 on the grid then maybe you might come up with something worth reading. Others have managed it quite sensibly. Why don't you have a go - you might surprise yourself!
As far as I can tell, every post from Mr. Munster has been a bit tongue-in-cheek. He can stay, it's humourous. Some folk need to lighten up.
As long as he learns it's "would've" or "would have", not "would of"... wink

swisstoni

17,107 posts

280 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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I still suspect one thumb too many on Lewis's side of the garage.

Derek Smith

45,800 posts

249 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Flooble said:
It is possible that they are using the description "big end failure" in the same way that I recall a team in the 80s referring to something like an "electrical failure" - albeit one caused because a piston had gone through the loom.

Quite possibly still roots to a butter-fingered mechanic who mucked up Rosberg's car at a few races in the last couple of seasons and is now on Hamilton's side of the garage - anyone else ever not quite put their oil filter on tight enough?
I was at Brands when Ferrari V12 250 exploded. We saw something fly up into the air. It turned out to be a valve stem, sans the head. This is bad for those without a technical education. One head exploded about half and inch later.

Ferrari reckoned it was a gearbox failure.

I'm sure that Mercedes will not give the full reason.


tommunster10

1,128 posts

92 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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andymadmak said:
tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
You probably think you are being clever/ironic/funny. But you're really not. Wrong oil may be a factor. Still doesn't explain why only Lewis car was affected though.
Equally a loss of oil leading to big end failure could be down to a loose union.

When you finally decide to engage with the question as to why only LH engines are affected this year out of 8 on the grid then maybe you might come up with something worth reading. Others have managed it quite sensibly. Why don't you have a go - you might surprise yourself!
OK I have several times, it is just simply the law of averages and sometimes odd stuff happens, was it a conspiracy that Leicester City won the premiership? Was it God again? Or was it just right things right time and a smidge of luck on occasions.

There is categorically NO WAY that Mercedes have a guy in their ranks who is fudging Lewis's engines IMO and nor is it God or Toto Wolff, so for me at least that leaves just an engine malfunction, happens to engines all the time even the ones that are designed to be flying up in the air.
Anyone still banging the drum of sabotage needs to drop it now as its nuts and even Lewis has backtracked sharpish, though he fueled the flames so his more nutty rabid fans could carry it on...
We are taking the pee out of the tin foil hat brigade because your nuts.

tommunster10

1,128 posts

92 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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rsbmw said:
tommunster10 said:
And to think despite all of that, they did it all on purpose to spite Lewis and make sure that a guy from Monaco wins the WDC......... amazing really, you couldn't make it up...
There is only you who seems to be making this stuff up. Just what the F1 sub-forum needed, another ridiculous troll with nothing of value to add.
Even Lewis has said its nothing to do with sabotage from Mercedes now so if anyone is trolling it would be people still stoking up the extremely libelous thought that Mercedes are destroying Lewis's engines to aid Nico....

andymadmak

14,635 posts

271 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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swisstoni said:
I still suspect one thumb too many on Lewis's side of the garage.
I agree with this. And it probably isn't anything to do with MB directly. The question that remains is whether the thumb is simply incompetent or knowingly contributing on behalf of his preferred choice.

andymadmak

14,635 posts

271 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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tommunster10 said:
OK I have several times, it is just simply the law of averages and sometimes odd stuff happens, was it a conspiracy that Leicester City won the premiership? Was it God again? Or was it just right things right time and a smidge of luck on occasions.

There is categorically NO WAY that Mercedes have a guy in their ranks who is fudging Lewis's engines IMO and nor is it God or Toto Wolff, so for me at least that leaves just an engine malfunction, happens to engines all the time even the ones that are designed to be flying up in the air.
Anyone still banging the drum of sabotage needs to drop it now as its nuts and even Lewis has backtracked sharpish, though he fueled the flames so his more nutty rabid fans could carry it on...
We are taking the pee out of the tin foil hat brigade because your nuts.
well we got half a civil answer. well done for trying.
So it's down to (bad) luck in your view. Fair enough. You may be right. You may not.

vonuber

17,868 posts

166 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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andymadmak said:
I agree with this. And it probably isn't anything to do with MB directly. The question that remains is whether the thumb is simply incompetent or knowingly contributing on behalf of his preferred choice.
Really?

tommunster10

1,128 posts

92 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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andymadmak said:
swisstoni said:
I still suspect one thumb too many on Lewis's side of the garage.
I agree with this. And it probably isn't anything to do with MB directly. The question that remains is whether the thumb is simply incompetent or knowingly contributing on behalf of his preferred choice.
Why though? Just why? Why would one mechanic do that? Give me an answer as to why and we can take it from there.

Bare in mind:

How many times is one mechanic working on an F1 car?
What security is in place at an F1 base or pit garage?
Why would a guy on Lewis's side of pit want to lose any performance bonus?
Or lose the respect on HIS side of pit?


I'd almost give you a smidge of respect if you thought someone from Nico's side was doing it (still daft), but your saying someone on Lewis's side of pit.....hmmm.

Jasandjules

69,998 posts

230 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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andymadmak said:
I agree with this. And it probably isn't anything to do with MB directly. The question that remains is whether the thumb is simply incompetent or knowingly contributing on behalf of his preferred choice.
It seems unlikely to me given Nico had a few failures last season with the same set of mechanics. Lewis needs his old team back!

Gary C

12,552 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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tommunster10 said:
OK but they want to win the WDC to aid the team not necessarily just a driver is what I mean, the part of the team which is the driver is driven by many factors, Lewis is marketing gold dust to reaching those Bieber fans and X Factor children and people who wear skinny jeans and baseball caps sideways, it has become a bit like X Factor with Lewis the whole woe is me back story of living on the breadline (failing to mention Ron Dennis behind his family since he was 12 odd).

Of course Mercedes F1 want Lewis to be wining they pay him the most and he's No 1 driver in the team, but they do it for Team Mercedes rather than a philanthropic reason to make Lewis look awesome.
But by making him look awesome it sells cars and the brand...
I'd be shocked if Ron Dennis wasn't at first excited by the possibility of a "first black F1 champion" from a marketing perspective, i mean Tiger Woods came first and look at his draw, it sells!

All this makes it all the more bizarre that Lewis would want to arm his more rabid fans with the possibility that Mercedes are the big bad Wolff trying to ruin him.......
OK, WCC certainly are important, but I still think a team principle who stands up and gives an interview on how important the WCC is, has just lost the WDC smile

certainly Hamiltons type of comments are rare from a driver, maybe a symptom of his extreme frustration.

andymadmak

14,635 posts

271 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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vonuber said:
andymadmak said:
I agree with this. And it probably isn't anything to do with MB directly. The question that remains is whether the thumb is simply incompetent or knowingly contributing on behalf of his preferred choice.
Really?
All I am trying to do is reconcile multiple issues with LH power unit vs no issues for the other MB pu users on the grid.
Some say its just luck....and it may be. But all the issues to one driver. Seems a bit of a stretch. Thats all I am saying

Driller

8,310 posts

279 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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I'm one of those who also finds Hamilton's problems more than coincidental and to add fuel to the fire, no-one seems to have considered the wishes of the F1 organisors to keep the championship battle alive and exciting to draw as many spectators as possible.

People say "how could Mercedes possibly want one of their cars to fail" but what about the organisors? Don't they give money to the teams as well? I wouldn't find it impossible to believe that they would put pressure on a team so as to make the season more exciting for "good television".

I could also imagine that if a championship is wrapped up several races before the end of the season then viewing figures and ticket sales would fall sharply for the rest of the year.

The sponsors would kick up a massive fuss and F1=sponsors.

hunter 66

3,921 posts

221 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Maybe Vettel was paid to tip Rosberg into the spin ???? who knows ??? to make it more interesting
No Guys this is racing ..... all of this just happens .... and yes engines can break happens at every level ..

Driller

8,310 posts

279 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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With all the millions (billions?) involved with the sponsorship, are you saying that never, ever would someone consider helping or hindering things to keep the ratings up?

"It's just racing" is rather naive in this context IMO.

We all know that F1 is a great spectacle a theatre piece, there's so much more to it than racing.

Derek Smith

45,800 posts

249 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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I know nothing about F1 other than that which I have picked up in years of following the sport.

However, given that corruption appears to be endemic at all levels in other multinational and multi £billions sports, not to mention at lower levels, why do some assume nothing is going on in F1?

Oh! they wouldn't do that, is no argument. It is a wish.

I might have become a little cynical as the years have advanced but I have no doubt that all major sports have corrupt players, participants and officials.



Driller

8,310 posts

279 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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The man talks sense.