Hamilton or Rosberg for 2016 WDC?

Hamilton or Rosberg for 2016 WDC?

Poll: Hamilton or Rosberg for 2016 WDC?

Total Members Polled: 293

Hamilton: 61%
Rosberg: 39%
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Discussion

angrymoby

2,605 posts

177 months

Saturday 24th September 2016
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Dr Z said:
Oh please, spare us the patronising lecture.

Look, we know these manoeuvres by Hamilton are operating in a grey area that allows him to get away with it but doesn't make it any less st. It's too bad for us fans that Rosberg is not as clever as Hamilton in these situations, in light of the Merc dominance over the last few years.
was 2014 a 'grey' area then?

& what about this 'grey' area & 'stty' bit of driving, back in 2012?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqbljq_f1-bahrain...

which iirc led to this rule change for 2013:

"20.4
Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’."






Edited by angrymoby on Saturday 24th September 04:46

cgt2

7,093 posts

187 months

Saturday 24th September 2016
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rsbmw said:
I've seen you state that many times, but I'm still yet to see an example.
Precisely! But we do remember Verstappen embarrassing Rosberg in Canada and Silverstone wink

cho

927 posts

274 months

Saturday 24th September 2016
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Haha at the end of the video Martin brundle mentions that Rosberg got on the radio to complain about a competitor going completely off track! You can see his thought process about what is right and wrong there.

Otispunkmeyer

12,558 posts

154 months

Saturday 24th September 2016
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Not particularly bothered who, though I would err on the side of Hamilton because there is something about Nico and the way he is on camera that rubs me the wrong way. However, Hamilton has won it plenty... don't see the draw of winning it multiple times personally. I'd do it once, then go do something different. However, I think there is an argument for Nico to win it, it might just relax him and make him a bit less unbearable.

thainy77

Original Poster:

3,347 posts

197 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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I've been on holiday for a few days, just having a catch up, this hasn't gone as i expected at all hehe.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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For me it has to be Hamilton. Rosberg thinks he's F1 royalty because of his father and has that sneery holier than thou attitude when interviewed. He isn't the racer Hamilton is IMHO. Hamilton has succeeded on raw talent and determination. Rosberg just got lucky by birth. It's an impossible question to answer but had he taken the same route from humble beginnings that Hamilton has would he even have a seat? I for one doubt it. Remember, drivers bring sponsorship to the teams and Rosberg just rides on the name and he's got a funny ear.

housen

2,366 posts

191 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Trophy Husband said:
For me it has to be Hamilton. Rosberg thinks he's F1 royalty because of his father and has that sneery holier than thou attitude when interviewed. He isn't the racer Hamilton is IMHO. Hamilton has succeeded on raw talent and determination. Rosberg just got lucky by birth. It's an impossible question to answer but had he taken the same route from humble beginnings that Hamilton has would he even have a seat? I for one doubt it. Remember, drivers bring sponsorship to the teams and Rosberg just rides on the name and he's got a funny ear.
perfect

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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angrymoby said:
was 2014 a 'grey' area then?

& what about this 'grey' area & 'stty' bit of driving, back in 2012?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqbljq_f1-bahrain...

which iirc led to this rule change for 2013:

"20.4
Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’."
What about 2014? Wheels locked, tried to push him off track but the guy on the outside saw it coming and backed off. Very different to 2016 when the guy on the outside tries to hang on there and gets 'battered out of the way'. Granted, not clever to be trying to hang on, on the outside, but if a car is there you don't deviate significantly from your line/racing line just to hit him off the track. That's stty driving.

No arguments from me re: 2012. Don't know where you're going with this.

Also, I'm observing relaxed Stewarding whenever team mates tussle. I see Hamilton v Rosberg in Austin 2015 very similar to Vettel v Massa at Silverstone this year. A driver going completely off track to push a competitor out on a damp/wet track. GP start vs middle of the race is a moot point. In any case, I take exception to the suggestion that if it's not penalised, it must be right. However, I have observed Hamilton racing with other drivers and I have never observed him as aggressive towards them as he has done time and again to Rosberg.

Apologies for derailing the thread, OP. getmecoat

angrymoby

2,605 posts

177 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Dr Z said:
No arguments from me re: 2012. Don't know where you're going with this.
Dr Z said:
I have observed Hamilton racing with other drivers and I have never observed him as aggressive towards them as he has done time and again to Rosberg.
You've answered your own question there

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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angrymoby said:
You've answered your own question there
Wow! You think Hamilton harbours that level of vendetta against Rosberg?

thainy77

Original Poster:

3,347 posts

197 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Dr Z said:
Apologies for derailing the thread, OP. getmecoat
No problem, better to keep this in here and hopefully other threads will remain clear of it.

angrymoby

2,605 posts

177 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Dr Z said:
I see Hamilton v Rosberg in Austin 2015 very similar to Vettel v Massa at Silverstone this year. A driver going completely off track to push a competitor out on a damp/wet track.
Twaddle & you're seeing what you want to see.

Did Lewis go off track in Austin '15? or Canada '16? No ...& neither did Rosberg in Canada '14 all 3 were just hard, tough, uncompromising but fair racing (which is exactly how Lewis likes it & exactly how F1 should be imo)

Seb lost any claim to that corner when he actually went off himself.


Edited by angrymoby on Tuesday 27th September 11:50

thatguy11

640 posts

122 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Personally I would like to see Rosberg take it this year. Discussions of Rosberg and Hamilton's different backgrounds, upbringings and privileges aside, and focusing entirely on their performances this season I think there's not one driver that absolutely "deserves" to win it over the other.

Both drivers have had races where they were simply untouchable, both drivers have benefitted from the other's mistakes and both drivers have has moments of bad luck. The tallies for luck may not be entirely equal, but that's motorsport.

In the interest of some variety (severely lacking from F1 since the hybrid era began) and the prospect of F1's first new champion since Vettel won in 2010, I'd like to see Rosberg take the fight to Hamilton and beat him. An extremely tall order, especially if Lewis can get back to his best, but based on what we've seen from Nico since the summer break and especially his level of performance in Singapore I think Rosberg just might be able to come out on top if he keeps it up.


Flooble

5,565 posts

99 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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I'd like to see Nico and Lewis take each other out in spectacular fashion, leading to a six race ban for each of them and Ricciardo winning the Championship.

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HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Flooble said:
I'd like to see Nico and Lewis take each other out in spectacular fashion, leading to a six race ban for each of them and Ricciardo winning the Championship.

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The only thing that wouldn't be great about that happening is that we'd have to endure an entire winter of people arguing over whether the crash was Nico or Lewis' fault smile

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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I'm going for Hamilton. I just like watching him race more. (That's the end of my deep analysis).

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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M3ax said:
I'm going for Hamilton. I just like watching him race more. (That's the end of my deep analysis).
To my mind only one of them races. The other can drive fast, when out front, which is admirable, he is damn fast. But a racer, no.

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Flooble said:
I'd like to see Nico and Lewis take each other out in spectacular fashion, leading to a six race ban for each of them and Ricciardo winning the Championship.

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I'd be happy with that...

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Jasandjules said:
To my mind only one of them races. The other can drive fast, when out front, which is admirable, he is damn fast. But a racer, no.
Yes, just like 4 x WDC Seb Vettel rofl

hora

37,011 posts

210 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Trophy Husband said:
For me it has to be Hamilton. Rosberg thinks he's F1 royalty because of his father and has that sneery holier than thou attitude when interviewed. He isn't the racer Hamilton is IMHO. Hamilton has succeeded on raw talent and determination. Rosberg just got lucky by birth. It's an impossible question to answer but had he taken the same route from humble beginnings that Hamilton has would he even have a seat? I for one doubt it. Remember, drivers bring sponsorship to the teams and Rosberg just rides on the name and he's got a funny ear.
And Lewis doesn't wear a tampon under his helmet.