Hamilton or Rosberg for 2016 WDC?
Poll: Hamilton or Rosberg for 2016 WDC?
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bunglesprout said:
If Rosberg doesn't win this championship, it will go down as one of the biggest chokes in sporting history, regardless of the circumstances. Ultimately, I would like the winner to be the driver who has won the most races over the season.
Looks like you want Rosberg to win then.HustleRussell said:
bunglesprout said:
If Rosberg doesn't win this championship, it will go down as one of the biggest chokes in sporting history, regardless of the circumstances. Ultimately, I would like the winner to be the driver who has won the most races over the season.
Looks like you want Rosberg to win then.
oyster said:
Rubbish.
If either driver wins this year it will be fully deserved.
The obsession with 'racing' is getting tedious. Most of the championships won since 1950 have not been won by wheel rubbing. F1 is not touring cars.
Ironically when we talk about racing we don't mean 'wheel rubbing' as Rosberg demonstrated in Austria. We mean being able to pass a car using skill.If either driver wins this year it will be fully deserved.
The obsession with 'racing' is getting tedious. Most of the championships won since 1950 have not been won by wheel rubbing. F1 is not touring cars.
If Rosberg wins the WDC it will be by default, because in several races he's basically been unchallenged. He is quite capable of driving a car lights to flag, with no one else around him. Introduce other cars and it all goes wrong or he tries to batter them out of the way.
He was outdriven by Hamilton in 2013 and 2015. He's been outdriven by him this year when the car is working properly.
As I said, good driver, not a great racer.
oyster said:
I'm no fan of either driver, but it still amazes me how little people know about sport. The very best do not always win, even in F1 where they have the best car.
This is a 21-race championship and hence it rewards consistency AND ability across many different scenarios and situations.
Whoever wins it, will have won it fully deserved. Rosberg has already won over 50% of the races held in 2016 - by any measure that is stunning. If you note he's up against a triple champion then it's an even bigger achievement.
I think its you that "doesn't know about sport"This is a 21-race championship and hence it rewards consistency AND ability across many different scenarios and situations.
Whoever wins it, will have won it fully deserved. Rosberg has already won over 50% of the races held in 2016 - by any measure that is stunning. If you note he's up against a triple champion then it's an even bigger achievement.
Winning 50% of the races this year when the only other car that could possibly challenge starts at the back or has serious mechanical/electrical defects is not "stunning", frankly its the absolute least one would expect that driver to manage.
If the Red Bulls and/or Ferraris were on the pace of the Mercedes and able to challenge for wins and Rosberg had still won as much as he has, then yes, it would be deserved and impressive. As it is, he's winning purely on (bad) luck of others.
REALIST123 said:
Hamilton is the only proven cheat. On more than one occasion.
Maybe you'd like to tell us how exactly ?Edited by Crafty_ on Wednesday 21st September 18:24
The criticisms of Rosberg are almost identical to those made of Vettel when he was winning - can only win from pole, can't race, can't pass, weak mentally.... etc etc.
It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
VolvoT5 said:
The criticisms of Rosberg are almost identical to those made of Vettel when he was winning - can only win from pole, can't race, can't pass, weak mentally.... etc etc.
It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
I can see your point of view, Vettel has since proven that he can race - last to 5th in Singapore is no mean feat. However, even at that time he never really did much wrong - Turkey 2010 is the only thing that really comes to mind.It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
Rosberg has previously proven he can't battle wheel to wheel, this year he has twice gone a step further and actually caused crashes in his attempts to do so.
He's previous cheated to keep a pole position and pulled downright dangerous moves.
So I do believe there is more justification for the comments when directed at Rosberg.
In terms of momentum, Hailton having issues in the last three races (Penalty for engine overuse in Spa, clutch issue in Monza, loss of FP time in Singapore) has definitely broken his rhythm. Its very difficult to get in to a stride when there are issues beyond your control.
Conversely Rosberg having unchallenged wins at those three races is most certainly in the groove. It won't matter to him that he's not been challenged - he's banked the points and he's sitting pretty.
Hamilton needs to find the rhythm (quickly!) and not have any reliability issues. If that happens, Rosberg will once again be saying "he was just faster than me" in post race press conferences. I think it dents his confidence and ultimately causes him to drop off a little bit.
Hamilton's problem is that he's running out of time to have clear race weekends.
VolvoT5 said:
The criticisms of Rosberg are almost identical to those made of Vettel when he was winning - can only win from pole, can't race, can't pass, weak mentally.... etc etc.
It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
But those criticisms of Vettel were valid as Daniel Ricciardo proved in just one season in the same team. Kimi must be fancying his chances of having Vettel over before the end of the season with only 5 points between them.It all just feels a bit bitter to me. There have been races this year when Hamilton has been dominant but there have also been races when Rosberg has been stronger. At the moment it appears Rosberg has all the momentum behind him and is more focused on the job.
Crafty_ said:
I can see your point of view, Vettel has since proven that he can race - last to 5th in Singapore is no mean feat. However, even at that time he never really did much wrong - Turkey 2010 is the only thing that really comes to mind.
Rosberg has previously proven he can't battle wheel to wheel, this year he has twice gone a step further and actually caused crashes in his attempts to do so.
He's previous cheated to keep a pole position and pulled downright dangerous moves.
So I do believe there is more justification for the comments when directed at Rosberg.
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I just don't agree with much of that. Rosberg has previously proven he can't battle wheel to wheel, this year he has twice gone a step further and actually caused crashes in his attempts to do so.
He's previous cheated to keep a pole position and pulled downright dangerous moves.
So I do believe there is more justification for the comments when directed at Rosberg.
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Cheating to keep pole - You are referring to Monaco 2014 I presume? Ancient history and no actual proof of cheating as far as I'm aware.
The crash in Spain was very debatable as to who was to blame and while he has had penalties for over stepping the mark the one in Germany was harsh. Any anyway all drivers have these issues at times. Austria was pretty stupid to be fair but he only cost himself points.
Over his career Rosberg has raced well wheel to wheel and made mistakes at times too, just like all drivers really. It is easy to selectively remember the times when he f
ked it up and use them as 'proof' he can't do it when there are the other times he gets it right.Hamilton's is more instinctive and his peaks are higher but he has more ups and downs. Rosberg is more consistent and more tactical. In terms of qualifying there doesn't appear to be an awful lot in it and while I would have said Hamilton has better race pace that doesn't seem to be as true in the second half of this year.
If Rosberg wins he will be fully deserving in my view... and he will have done it despite shooting himself in the foot at a couple of races.
Clevers said:
But those criticisms of Vettel were valid as Daniel Ricciardo proved in just one season in the same team. Kimi must be fancying his chances of having Vettel over before the end of the season with only 5 points between them.
Ricciardo beat Vettel over a season which was especially difficult for Vettel and when he knew he was leaving for Ferrari anyway. However that does not prove the criticisms of Vettel that he can only win from pole, can't race, can't pass or is mentally weak.... all of those things were pretty lazy attacks on an unpopular driver and proven untrue.Having said that I do doubt he would have won all 4 WDC if he had a tougher team mate. And you are right in that even Raikkonen 10 years past his prime looks relatively competitive. If Ferrari make a championship car next year I certainly don't think it will be cake walk for Vettel (assuming the team don't stack it in his favour as Red Bull appeared to do at times).
The common vein through these threads seems to be an inability to understand that in sport the best person doesn't always win.
More often than not they will, but not always.
Hence why if Rosberg wins this year's WDC then it will be deserved. It has to be deserved because he's got more points than anyone else. That's how sport works.
There's no pictures on the scorecard, as they say.
More often than not they will, but not always.
Hence why if Rosberg wins this year's WDC then it will be deserved. It has to be deserved because he's got more points than anyone else. That's how sport works.
There's no pictures on the scorecard, as they say.
oyster said:
The common vein through these threads seems to be an inability to understand that in sport the best person doesn't always win.
More often than not they will, but not always.
Hence why if Rosberg wins this year's WDC then it will be deserved. It has to be deserved because he's got more points than anyone else. That's how sport works.
There's no pictures on the scorecard, as they say.
hopefully it will relax him and hell come across as a human being More often than not they will, but not always.
Hence why if Rosberg wins this year's WDC then it will be deserved. It has to be deserved because he's got more points than anyone else. That's how sport works.
There's no pictures on the scorecard, as they say.
but as I write this
no I don't wanna see him win ...nothing endears me to him nothing
REALIST123 said:
Hamilton is the only proven cheat. On more than one occasion.
Amongst other things you have mistaken inadvertently breaking rules with deliberate cheating.
Come on then, when has Hamilton cheated?Amongst other things you have mistaken inadvertently breaking rules with deliberate cheating.
Rosberg: Monaco 2014 Q3 - parking it so Hamilton could not complete his fast lap. This year (twice) driving into Hamilton when being overtaken, on neither occasion did Rosberg make any attempt to make the corner. Spain this year, both at fault, however it could be argued that Rosberg did break the rules by making two defensive moves. Also this year pushing the rules (and beyond in many peoples estimation) by failing to lift adequately on the final timed lap in Q3 under double-waved flags.
KevinCamaroSS said:
Come on then, when has Hamilton cheated?
Rosberg: Monaco 2014 Q3 - parking it so Hamilton could not complete his fast lap. This year (twice) driving into Hamilton when being overtaken, on neither occasion did Rosberg make any attempt to make the corner. Spain this year, both at fault, however it could be argued that Rosberg did break the rules by making two defensive moves. Also this year pushing the rules (and beyond in many peoples estimation) by failing to lift adequately on the final timed lap in Q3 under double-waved flags.
All heat of the moment, ish. Rosberg: Monaco 2014 Q3 - parking it so Hamilton could not complete his fast lap. This year (twice) driving into Hamilton when being overtaken, on neither occasion did Rosberg make any attempt to make the corner. Spain this year, both at fault, however it could be argued that Rosberg did break the rules by making two defensive moves. Also this year pushing the rules (and beyond in many peoples estimation) by failing to lift adequately on the final timed lap in Q3 under double-waved flags.
Whereas Hamilton in 2009 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
The reason people are being so hard is because it is one thing to make a quick reaction in the middle of the race, another to stand in front of people and lie to their faces - for more than a week.
Let's face it, Rosberg and Hamilton have both done some dodgy manoeuvres, that one at spa I could totally understand as Rosberg had to draw a line with Hamilton who had been bullying him since Bahrain.
Hamilton can be as fragile as Rosberg when things don't go his way, but on balance, Hamilton seems to pull better results from bad situations more times than Rosberg and this would tend to give it to Hamilton all things being equal.
However, they are close enough in ability for fate (or wolf
) to decide.
I do like Hamilton to win in a fun bipartisan manner, but would be fine with Rosberg winning as long as there is not another coming together like Spain, Rosberg was an outright liar that day.
Hamilton can be as fragile as Rosberg when things don't go his way, but on balance, Hamilton seems to pull better results from bad situations more times than Rosberg and this would tend to give it to Hamilton all things being equal.
However, they are close enough in ability for fate (or wolf
) to decide.I do like Hamilton to win in a fun bipartisan manner, but would be fine with Rosberg winning as long as there is not another coming together like Spain, Rosberg was an outright liar that day.
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