2017 Rule Tweeks

2017 Rule Tweeks

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John D.

17,892 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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Vaud said:
A tyre contest? I'm torn, but I don't think the sport will risk another Indy-like event as manufacturers would naturally push the boundaries.
That was a one off, caused I expect by the OTT restrictions on testing.

Rest of the time it works as long as no tyre manufacturer favours one particular team too much (Schumacher Ferrari /Bridgestone).

NJK44

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1,364 posts

97 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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John D. said:
Wish they would get rid of DRS. I was more or less in favour when it was introduced, or at least willing to give it a go. Now I'm sick of watching the drivers line up to pass in the DRS zone every lap. It actually detracts from the spectacle because it's so predictable.

Same for the joke tyres. Bring in another manufacturer and let's have a contest.
If there was no DRS, we'd see a significant decrease in overtaking opportunities.

tight fart

2,923 posts

274 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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So you catch the car in front because you're lapping faster than him, then on the longest straight they give you 15 mph extra so you can drive past, it's hardly a thrilling overtake.

Halmyre

11,215 posts

140 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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tight fart said:
So you catch the car in front because you're lapping faster than him, then on the longest straight they give you 15 mph extra so you can drive past, it's hardly a thrilling overtake.
It's the real-life equivalent of those scenes in the likes of 'DrivelDriven' and 'The Fast and The Frivolous' where two cars are racing flat out side-by-side and one can suddenly go faster by changing gear.

John D.

17,892 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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NJK44 said:
John D. said:
Wish they would get rid of DRS. I was more or less in favour when it was introduced, or at least willing to give it a go. Now I'm sick of watching the drivers line up to pass in the DRS zone every lap. It actually detracts from the spectacle because it's so predictable.

Same for the joke tyres. Bring in another manufacturer and let's have a contest.
If there was no DRS, we'd see a significant decrease in overtaking opportunities.
It's fake overtaking without skill. I'd rather give it a miss.

Derek Smith

45,703 posts

249 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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John D. said:
Wish they would get rid of DRS. I was more or less in favour when it was introduced, or at least willing to give it a go. Now I'm sick of watching the drivers line up to pass in the DRS zone every lap. It actually detracts from the spectacle because it's so predictable.

Same for the joke tyres. Bring in another manufacturer and let's have a contest.
I'm not sure about tyres. Aren't we moving towards more equal performance.

But with you with DRS. It was there to compensate for aero having a massive effect on driveability. Why not limit the front wing to a plank with a regulation airfoil and have other stuff quantified? Then perhaps we can see cars having a tow.


NJK44

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1,364 posts

97 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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John D. said:
It's fake overtaking without skill. I'd rather give it a miss.
Yep, absolutely no skill required whatsoever...

John D.

17,892 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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NJK44 said:
John D. said:
It's fake overtaking without skill. I'd rather give it a miss.
Yep, absolutely no skill required whatsoever...
Even I could do it.

Seriously, do you like DRS? How about push to pass? Reverse grids? Joker laps?

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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John D. said:
NJK44 said:
John D. said:
It's fake overtaking without skill. I'd rather give it a miss.
Yep, absolutely no skill required whatsoever...
Even I could do it.

Seriously, do you like DRS? How about push to pass? Reverse grids? Joker laps?
Really? If only you could have mentioned this earlier this year, we could have plonked you in the Ferrari of Raikkonen at the Spanish GP so you could have overtaken Verstappen and won the race! With the help of 'push to pass' DRS of course. tongue out

tight fart

2,923 posts

274 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Dr Z
Have you ever sat in a car waiting for the flag to drop?

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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...Erm, why?

John D.

17,892 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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I see the 'literal' crew have turned up biggrin

OK, you've got me. I probably couldn't pull off a DRS pass or any other. It does take some degree of skill to get into that one second window, and press the brake pedal at the right time so as to maintain the advantage into the next corner.

It's still too easy and dull.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Sorry, just trying to extract the urea... grumpy

I would have agreed in the V8 era. Early Pirellis+unrefined DRS was a bit too much. Indeed, I was a critic myself into the V6T era. But I'm more favourable towards DRS, seeing the races this year where it wasn't so straightforward. The crucial difference has been that the defending driver is able to strategically deploy the electrickery in his arsenal to counter the DRS effect of the attacking driver. The KERS in the V8s was never powerful enough to be used as a defending tactic. Still not great, but I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.

John D.

17,892 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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I'm strongly in favour of making it possible to drive them much harder / closer to ultimate potential for more of the race. Stop the tyres being the limiting factor; make it the drivers instead. Currently it's too easy on them as they hold back so much.

Evangelion

7,734 posts

179 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!

Halmyre

11,215 posts

140 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Evangelion said:
Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!
What, and lose all that advertising space?!?

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Halmyre said:
Evangelion said:
Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!
What, and lose all that advertising space?!?
You two like slow cars then? I like fast ones. tongue out

Halmyre

11,215 posts

140 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Dr Z said:
Halmyre said:
Evangelion said:
Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!
What, and lose all that advertising space?!?
You two like slow cars then? I like fast ones. tongue out
What, and make it more difficult to read all that advertising?!?

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Halmyre said:
Dr Z said:
Halmyre said:
Evangelion said:
Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!
What, and lose all that advertising space?!?
You two like slow cars then? I like fast ones. tongue out
What, and make it more difficult to read all that advertising?!?
You like 'em that slow?!? You on the right forum? tongue out

Halmyre

11,215 posts

140 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Dr Z said:
Halmyre said:
Dr Z said:
Halmyre said:
Evangelion said:
Dr Z said:
... I'm coming around to the view that we'll never find a workable solution to the problem of fast cars+great racing.
There already is one, take the bloody stupid wings off!
What, and lose all that advertising space?!?
You two like slow cars then? I like fast ones. tongue out
What, and make it more difficult to read all that advertising?!?
You like 'em that slow?!? You on the right forum? tongue out
Sadly there isn't a "Modern F1 Is Rubbish And It Was All So Much Better When Blah Blah Blah Zzzzz" forum.