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Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Trabi601 said:
If he wants an individual sport, then perhaps F1, particularly at Mercedes, isn't for him.

Sharing driver data has been part of F1 for decades.
I agree. It's a team sport.

Some Gump

12,687 posts

186 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Motorsport.com: Hamilton calls for an end to "unfair" intra-team data sharing. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw9omqrDQ

Agree with Hamilton there. Engineers sharing the data from both cars; fine. Drivers shouldn't be able to look at their team mates data. I'd they can't figure something out, then that's their failing. They shouldn't be able to look at their team mates data in hope of the answers.
Nope, not buying it. Will he also be asking for Mercedes to not learn how to avoid his gearbox blowing up if Bottas' unit fails? What about aero data from the test sessions where Bottas is in the car?

It's an unreasonable, and totally unenforceable notion of a rule.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

95 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Some Gump said:
Nope, not buying it. Will he also be asking for Mercedes to not learn how to avoid his gearbox blowing up if Bottas' unit fails? What about aero data from the test sessions where Bottas is in the car?

It's an unreasonable, and totally unenforceable notion of a rule.
I think he's just looking for reasons behind Nico taking the title last season. Or at least trying to sow seeds of doubt, painting a picture that Nico was using his data to beat him.

b19rak

369 posts

217 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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I hate Ferrari, but I would love Hamilton in one.

C Lee Farquar

4,067 posts

216 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Perhaps if he were funding 50% of the team but he's being paid to drive as part of a team.

As suggested, perhaps the message is more subliminal. Perhaps it was an off the cuff remark embellished to make headlines.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Trabi601 said:
Some Gump said:
Nope, not buying it. Will he also be asking for Mercedes to not learn how to avoid his gearbox blowing up if Bottas' unit fails? What about aero data from the test sessions where Bottas is in the car?

It's an unreasonable, and totally unenforceable notion of a rule.
I think he's just looking for reasons behind Nico taking the title last season. Or at least trying to sow seeds of doubt, painting a picture that Nico was using his data to beat him.
So Lewis thinks, that given the same information, other drivers (Nico last year), are able to make better decisions than he is about what to do?

I can't see that personally.

As an employee of the team that owns the data, he'll have to accept the team doing whatever it likes with the data.

Halmyre

11,183 posts

139 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Motorsport.com: Hamilton calls for an end to "unfair" intra-team data sharing. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw9omqrDQ

Agree with Hamilton there. Engineers sharing the data from both cars; fine. Drivers shouldn't be able to look at their team mates data. I'd they can't figure something out, then that's their failing. They shouldn't be able to look at their team mates data in hope of the answers.
Gaah. He's coming across like Nigel Mansell without the charm and charisma.

entropy

5,431 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Vaud said:
Trabi601 said:
If he wants an individual sport, then perhaps F1, particularly at Mercedes, isn't for him.

Sharing driver data has been part of F1 for decades.
I agree. It's a team sport.
Tell that to Johnny Herbert - at Benetton he wasn't allowed to view Schumi's data whereas Schumi could see Herbert's.

Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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entropy said:
Tell that to Johnny Herbert - at Benetton he wasn't allowed to view Schumi's data whereas Schumi could see Herbert's.
And I think that was wrong as well. Generally data is shared.

Boring_Chris

2,348 posts

122 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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I don't see why anyone should be getting their knickers in a twist over this.

It's a competitive sport. Teams do not share data with other teams (for obvious reasons). Your team mate is your most important competitor.

Teams find loop holes in rules, exploit them, and press for rules that hinder competing teams to be reinforced. This is absolutely normal.

Hamilton, by and large, out drove Rosberg. For each season they were team mates it was known that Rosberg would study Hamilton's data to ascertain where he was faster.

Hamilton, just like the team, wants to be faster than his competitors. But chiefly; his team mate.

If he's found a faster way through a corner, why should his team mate benefit from this?! It's Hamilton's win.

Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Boring_Chris said:
I don't see why anyone should be getting their knickers in a twist over this.

It's a competitive sport. Teams do not share data with other teams (for obvious reasons). Your team mate is your most important competitor.

Teams find loop holes in rules, exploit them, and press for rules that hinder competing teams to be reinforced. This is absolutely normal.

Hamilton, by and large, out drove Rosberg. For each season they were team mates it was known that Rosberg would study Hamilton's data to ascertain where he was faster.

Hamilton, just like the team, wants to be faster than his competitors. But chiefly; his team mate.

If he's found a faster way through a corner, why should his team mate benefit from this?! It's Hamilton's win.
Because it's a team sport, not an individual one. The team outcome is the most important - securing 1/2. Team first, driver's wishes second.

Bunfighter

37,115 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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I think Merc dislike Lewis. As he said it'll all come out when he retires.

Pdelamare

659 posts

128 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Seems pretty much everyone has only read the headline and not the entire article.

Hamilton fully supports data sharing with regard to the car. This is the team element, get the car to be as fast and reliable as possible.

What he objects to is sharing the the driver inputs, i.e. Braking points, lines, etc. This is the individual element to beat his team mate. I see no problem with this at all.

Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Pdelamare said:
Seems pretty much everyone has only read the headline and not the entire article.

Hamilton fully supports data sharing with regard to the car. This is the team element, get the car to be as fast and reliable as possible.

What he objects to is sharing the the driver inputs, i.e. Braking points, lines, etc. This is the individual element to beat his team mate. I see no problem with this at all.
It's both that has always been shared. The goal is still a team 1-2. not a reliable 1-3, 1-4, or 1-5. Team sport... needs team players.

Interestingly in a 2014 Telegraph article (on Lewis and Nico), "At the moment, they are both good spirited enough to share an almost rugby tackle embrace after the race, and they both speak about how they share data, studying one another’s performances to garner crucial information."

Maybe he feels that Nico's intel gave him too much information and he just feels threatened?

deadslow

7,988 posts

223 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Boring_Chris said:
For each season they were team mates it was known that Rosberg would study Hamilton's data to ascertain where he was faster.

if you don't imagine this went both ways you must be out of your mind. Hamilton will have studied NR's data with fastidious attention. Every driver looks at all available information unless they are prevented from doing so, or they are daft.

Budweiser

1,077 posts

184 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Vaud said:
It's both that has always been shared. The goal is still a team 1-2. not a reliable 1-3, 1-4, or 1-5. Team sport... needs team players.

Interestingly in a 2014 Telegraph article (on Lewis and Nico), "At the moment, they are both good spirited enough to share an almost rugby tackle embrace after the race, and they both speak about how they share data, studying one another’s performances to garner crucial information."

Maybe he feels that Nico's intel gave him too much information and he just feels threatened?
Unless your name is Scu.....

DuckAvenger

324 posts

133 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Bunfighter said:
I think Merc dislike Lewis. As he said it'll all come out when he retires.
And that is rubbish.
And question is when he is coming out.

Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Budweiser said:
Unless your name is Scu.....
And Lewis is great, but he is no MSC.

I agree that he abused the data/info, at least from what I have read.

ThePlanner

5,252 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Vaud said:
Budweiser said:
Unless your name is Scu.....
And Lewis is great, but he is no MSC.

I agree that he abused the data/info, at least from what I have read.
Yes Lewis is no MSC

1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team


Vaud

50,423 posts

155 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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ThePlanner said:
Yes Lewis is no MSC

1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
I have no intention of turning this into an MSC vs HAM debate.
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