Lewis Hamilton

[sparta6]

whatxd said:

Hard to get someone that can compete on his level in the same team because at his peak, there wasn't anyone on the planet that could compete on his level

And I'm not sure about your use of the word "titles" because surely only one of them could be up for debate?

+1

1996 - Spain

Williams senior operations engineer James Robinson added: "I don't think the Ferrari was that brilliant. It looked like it was on ice to me. That guy is something else. It was pretty amazing."

[Vocal Minority]

Conversations about Hamilton and Schumacher do seem to highlight how people conflate 'I don't like XYZ' with 'xyz is no good'

[LDN]

deadslow said:

LDN said:

I think Lewis has always felt that the data share favoured the other driver more than it did him.

You don't really know what Lewis actually thinks, do you?

In any event, if LH felt that sharing data was giving another driver an unfair insight into his genius, why then didn't he use his special power and simplyend that driver's career

The team lewis trash talk has started early this season.

Ermmmm... I know because he has said it in the past.

And 'special power ' - what are you on about?

[LDN]

Vocal Minority said:

Conversations about Hamilton and Schumacher do seem to highlight how people conflate 'I don't like XYZ' with 'xyz is no good'

Schuey was something else ... there's no denying. That's why it's a shame that he tainted his legacy with some stty / horrid tactics. There's also no denying that either. Doesn't take away from what a genius driver he was.

[spunkytherabbit]

sparta6 said:

whatxd said:

Hard to get someone that can compete on his level in the same team because at his peak, there wasn't anyone on the planet that could compete on his level

And I'm not sure about your use of the word "titles" because surely only one of them could be up for debate?

+1

1996 - Spain

Williams senior operations engineer James Robinson added: "I don't think the Ferrari was that brilliant. It looked like it was on ice to me. That guy is something else. It was pretty amazing."

Hated MSC but you could not deny the talent of the man. Yes Ferrari had a couple of years where they steam rollered the field, but if you're not utterly brilliant to start with you couldn't make up 19 seconds in 20 laps on the rest of the field to change pit stop strategy in order to go for the win. As MSC in Hungary.

I hated him before and hated him after, but that was THE demonstration of brilliance for me that cemented the grudging respect I came to have.

[Vaud]

spunkytherabbit said:

Hated MSC but you could not deny the talent of the man. Yes Ferrari had a couple of years where they steam rollered the field, but if you're not utterly brilliant to start with you couldn't make up 19 seconds in 20 laps on the rest of the field to change pit stop strategy in order to go for the win. As MSC in Hungary.

Which was pretty much every other drivers view of him... Alonso, Hakkinen, etc.

[RobGT81]

Lewis Hamilton said:

From working in the windtunnel, then they have this jig which is into real carbon fibre, you see it all come together, do the seat fitting over the winter

The man's a technical genius. Is this his first year in F1?

[Some Gump]

ThePlanner said:

1995 - Dominant Car
2000 - Dominant Car
2001 - Dominant Car
2002 - Dominant Car
2003 - Dominant Car
2004 - Dominant Car

How many titles have ever been won without a dominant car? I've been watching for >20 years, and can remember maybe 3-4 championships where there was a proper fight between 2 constructors.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2015/10/08/the-mos...

Out of the top 20 most 1 sided years in the entire history of the sport, 15 have been modern. Trying to argue driver x vs driver y on the basis of "the other guy had the best car" doesn't hold water.

Sennaa was good.
Schumi was good.
Lewis is good.

Trying to argue on who was best is like trying to say could Chris Froome beat Eddie Merckx? The outcome will always solely depend on who you are a fan of, because there's clearly no proper objective way to test unless they fought the same season in the same car and both were equally reliable.

[Crafty_]

deadslow said:

LDN said:

I think Lewis has always felt that the data share favoured the other driver more than it did him.

You don't really know what Lewis actually thinks, do you?

....trash talk has started early this season.

Yep, it certainly has.

I see this thread is full of the usual bullst and tripe that the "I hate Hamilton" club like to roll out.

Do carry on.

[Some Gump]

Ohh ffs lads. How does thinking that Hammo thinks the other guy benefits more than him make the poster some sort of anti-hamilton type?

It's logical. If Hamilton thought he benefited more from Rosberg than vice versa, he'd hardly be arguing to ban it. He'll almost certainly either be wanting to protect his experience in the car vs Bottas lack of it, or more likely he's miffed that if he finds an edge in a corner from a different line / later braking / whatever that someone else can copy it.

Hamilton's style isn't silky smooth. It's raw and on it. The smooth guy is generally faster than the edgey guy, except it takes far longer for them to find that edge. If Hammo pushes it and finds the limit then smoothie can copy, it reduces the advantage of that ability right at the limit that he has.

[C Lee Farquar]

I believe LH and Merc have stated his comment was in answer to the a question as to what could be done to improve the show, not what he would like of Merc.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Some Gump said:

Hamilton's style isn't silky smooth. It's raw and on it. The smooth guy is generally faster than the edgey guy, except it takes far longer for them to find that edge. If Hammo pushes it and finds the limit then smoothie can copy, it reduces the advantage of that ability right at the limit that he has.

If his style was really that edgy he would be:

1) Using more fuel than is team mate, not less;
2) Wearing out tyres faster than his team mate, which he does not.

To me, both Rosberg and Hamilton have their own areas where they are better. Hamilton's total more than Rosberg's do which is why he won more than Rosberg.

[anonymous-user]

Lewis pre-season testing a new wardrobe.

Slight elevation of his left arm and the teapot look would have been perfected.

[Bunfighter]

Cooler than me or thee.

[Halmyre]

Bunfighter said:

Cooler than me or thee.

My arse. If it was taxi driver Lewis Hamilton instead of World Champion Lewis Hamilton you'd be laughing and pointing at him in the street.

[hairyben]

Crafty_ said:

Yep, it certainly has.

I see this thread is full of the usual bullst and tripe that the "I hate Hamilton" club like to roll out.

Do carry on.

I thought that was the whole point of this thread, somewhere for the children to spout their nonsense and bile in the hope other threads don't get clogged up with it?

I had the impression rosberg was very much a bit copy'n'paste as a driver, sets a slower lap, "where is hamilton faster" "brake later in turns 4 and 6 nico" then sets a comparible lap, wheres hamilton went and found the limit for himself more often.

But of he dresses like a tart and wears glasses etc etc etc

[LDN]

Halmyre said:

Bunfighter said:

Cooler than me or thee.

My arse. If it was taxi driver Lewis Hamilton instead of World Champion Lewis Hamilton you'd be laughing and pointing at him in the street.

I suggest you care less and perhaps, get a life. Once again... who cares what he - or a taxi driver wears. Does anyone, actually, ever think to themselves: "why does it bother me, what other people wear?"

Ask yourself that - and give yourself an honest answer.

[Halmyre]

LDN said:

Halmyre said:

Bunfighter said:

Cooler than me or thee.

My arse. If it was taxi driver Lewis Hamilton instead of World Champion Lewis Hamilton you'd be laughing and pointing at him in the street.

I suggest you care less and perhaps, get a life. Once again... who cares what he - or a taxi driver wears. Does anyone, actually, ever think to themselves: "why does it bother me, what other people wear?"

Ask yourself that - and give yourself an honest answer.

Why does it bother you that it (might) bother me?

Anyway, pardon me for contributing to an Internet discussion forum.

[C Lee Farquar]

hairyben said:

I had the impression rosberg was very much a bit copy'n'paste as a driver, sets a slower lap, "where is hamilton faster" "brake later in turns 4 and 6 nico" then sets a comparible lap, wheres hamilton went and found the limit for himself more often.

I assumed the same. Difficult to prove as the practice times won't always represent their best effort.

I think a driver's ability to adapt to changeable wet conditions might be a good indication of the ability to find the limit. But on that basis Button might be the best driver in recent years.

Notwithstanding a driver isn't doing his job if not fully exploiting all information available to him.

[Trabi601]

C Lee Farquar said:

I assumed the same. Difficult to prove as the practice times won't always represent their best effort.

I think a driver's ability to adapt to changeable wet conditions might be a good indication of the ability to find the limit. But on that basis Button might be the best driver in recent years.

Notwithstanding a driver isn't doing his job if not fully exploiting all information available to him.

Thing is, we don't know how much Hamilton also benefitted from lifting info. from Nico's data - there were weekends where Nico looked to be in a class of his own, but would be pipped to pole by Hamilton. That suggests they both learned a lot from each other's data.