Lewis Hamilton

[tommunster10]

whatxd said:

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

tommunster10 said:

What will all these rabid Lewis fanboys that came out when he was winning in the Merc do when (hopefully) the rules allow other cars to be on the same page in performance and he's back scrabbling for 5ths 4ths and 3rds again.....

Do tell where I can find the two different sets of rules you are alluding to? I can only find one set of F1 rules that all teams adhere to.

Do you people even follow F1? They are amending regs and rules and it may possibly mean we have more than 2 drivers in same car fighting for the WDC in 2017:

How the 2017 rules will change F1 design:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/05/10/side-side-co...


Anyone who thinks BTW that having McLaren backing in karting won't give you an advantage is deluded and just so utterly obsessed with Lewis that they most likely believe he'd win in a Manor.... just clueless about Motorsport basically.
What were you doing when Seb was winning and Lewis spent most races bumping into Massa, just moaning about the Red Bull domination and how Seb just has the best car?
Or were you saying Seb was the best driver on the F1 grid?

Where's the 'ignore' button again? Your own rule applies: why don't you consider Seb as having an advantage in Karting and his career as he had support from Red Bull??? Because he wasn't the only one maybe? Just as Lewis wasn't the only one to have had support from McLaren. Do you get it yet? Having support from McLaren is great and is better than not having it... but it's also earned; you do know that don't you? McLaren nearly dropped Lewis at one point also; it wasn't a free ride; he had to stay on song. I can't tel if you're as daft as two short planks or if it's a wind up.

@tommunster10 I dislike Hamilton as much as anyone but to suggest he lucked his way to the top of F1 is bonkers. He earned his place at McLaren as a boy, was good enough to keep it as he grew up and their decision to promote him was vindicated. There are plenty of boys behind the scenes who get the same opportunity (at multiple companies, not just McLaren) but they don't make it, hence why you never hear about them.

There are plenty of issues you can criticise Hamilton about but his McLaren upbringing isn't one of them.

I didn't say I criticized Lewis over McLaren i merely stated he had a lot of help and good fortune based on being with McLaren during karting career..that's a fact nothing else.
It's just the nut jobs spinning stuff to make it look like we must be racists and 'haters' if we dare say something about Lewis.

Lewis has same sort of fans as Jason Plato, Donal Trump and God, they are so utterly obsessed that they have no way of any alternate view point other than total paranoia and then attack mode.
It's the same human trait within that you can exploit via religion and politics to create carnage. it's like a mental illness.

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 13:22

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 13:24

[C70R]

I just don't understand how 20-odd largely decent blokes driving cars can turn otherwise (seemingly) rational people into raving morons. I don't think that F1 attracts the same calibre of fan as football, so why the petty tribalism and sniping?

[37chevy]

tommunster10 said:

I didn't say I criticized Lewis over McLaren i merely stated he had a lot of help and good fortune based on being with McLaren during karting career..that's a fact nothing else.
It's just the nut jobs spinning stuff to make it look like we must be racists and 'haters' if we dare say something about Lewis.

Lewis has same sort of fans as Jason Plato, Donal Trump and God, they are so utterly obsessed that they have no way of any alternate view point other than total paranoia and then attack mode.
It's the same human trait within that you can exploit via religion and politics to create carnage. it's like a mental illness.

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 13:22

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 13:24

1) its not good fortunte, its taking your chances in life and being talented at what you do. vettel and others have had the same with red bull.

2) anti lewis f1 fans are as much nut jobs as the hammy fans

3) talented drivers have always polarised views...look at senna, prost, Schumacher, vettel. unfortunately its only when theyre gone that people tend to sit back and appreciate how good they were and what they brought to the sport.

love lewis or not, no one can deny that he is a very talented driver and that he brings a lot to the sport, whether you side with him or not.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Spot on 37Chevy.

[SeeFive]

I'll bite at fear of feeding the troll.

Ya know, I only see one poster here in the last couple of pages calling people fanboys and nutters and asking if they even watch F1.

And that poster asks others to be balanced in their posts.

Quite odd.

Moving on...

[tommunster10]

SeeFive said:

I'll bite at fear of feeding the troll.

Ya know, I only see one poster here in the last couple of pages calling people fanboys and nutters and asking if they even watch F1.

And that poster asks others to be balanced in their posts.

Quite odd.

Moving on...

So a 'troll' to you is someone who just isn't a rabid Lewis fan then. Must people all treat Lewis like a deity?
It's a thread purely about Lewis an i'm giving my opinions. No one said it's a thread for just adulation and forum reach a rounds over Lewis.
If some prat says "oh Lewis once went from the back of the grid to first in a kart" I am going to say that this is not unusual in karting, and in karting like any Motorsport people can still have the best kart etc...

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:48

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:49

[Dr Z]

hairyben said:

So a lot of people in a british motorsport forum favour the british world champion driver? Some to the point of sillyness? You think thats comment worthy? In other news, italian motorsport fans have a soft spot for red coloured cars.

What you miss in your navel gazing interpretation of events is while nico will get cold shouldered for being between the brit and another title, a lot of nico's flak is simply because hes a cypher, an unlikable, entitled, personality free, sociopathic slug. Even the germans dont like him.

You dont get the level of abuse nico gets just for being up against the brit, we watched coulthard get spanked by hakkinen, and were disappointed that such a damn fine journeyman driver was unfortunant enough to have one of the truely gifted drivers there when he had the car to do the job. We made webbar an honourary plucky brit then moaned and bhed when vettel lead him home 4 times but vettel had a slice of hate in these shores never had the level of derision rosberg gets, and so too barichello in '09, kovalinen in '08.

Some of the hate for rosberg reminds me more of that directed to schumacher and perhaps senna in their day, normally because talent aside they could be utter bds when it suited them.

It would be far more accurate to say that you have an irrational dislike of him, but choose to shore up that dislike by however you perceive him to be: cypher, sociopath, entitled, ruthless...whatever.

It is also ironic that someone who doesn't like Hamilton will perceive in him, the same traits that you listed of Rosberg. I don't like Hamilton's public persona, but I don't pretend that my dislike is in any way rational or that those who dislike Nico are somehow irrational for not liking such a 'hero' that should be universally liked.

I find Nico to be eminently more relatable than Lewis despite the latter's more humble beginnings and the general 'plucky underdog' narrative. It is far easier to relate to a guy not so 'blessed' with prodiguous natural talent and speed, but having to strive for the acknowledgement his peers (which he never gets). A lot of his interviews/public persona can be construed as defense mechanisms that flows from that premise. I guess, I get Nico more than I get Lewis.

If you don't get sucked into the 'us vs them' game, you'll learn to see the 'good' in people you don't like and who knows, might even come to appreciate them. It works for me.

Lewis and Nico are interesting characters, their history and rivalry certainly add an interesting dimension to the race weekends in the last few years.

[tommunster10]

Dr Z said:

hairyben said:

So a lot of people in a british motorsport forum favour the british world champion driver? Some to the point of sillyness? You think thats comment worthy? In other news, italian motorsport fans have a soft spot for red coloured cars.

What you miss in your navel gazing interpretation of events is while nico will get cold shouldered for being between the brit and another title, a lot of nico's flak is simply because hes a cypher, an unlikable, entitled, personality free, sociopathic slug. Even the germans dont like him.

You dont get the level of abuse nico gets just for being up against the brit, we watched coulthard get spanked by hakkinen, and were disappointed that such a damn fine journeyman driver was unfortunant enough to have one of the truely gifted drivers there when he had the car to do the job. We made webbar an honourary plucky brit then moaned and bhed when vettel lead him home 4 times but vettel had a slice of hate in these shores never had the level of derision rosberg gets, and so too barichello in '09, kovalinen in '08.

Some of the hate for rosberg reminds me more of that directed to schumacher and perhaps senna in their day, normally because talent aside they could be utter bds when it suited them.

It would be far more accurate to say that you have an irrational dislike of him, but choose to shore up that dislike by however you perceive him to be: cypher, sociopath, entitled, ruthless...whatever.

It is also ironic that someone who doesn't like Hamilton will perceive in him, the same traits that you listed of Rosberg. I don't like Hamilton's public persona, but I don't pretend that my dislike is in any way rational or that those who dislike Nico are somehow irrational for not liking such a 'hero' that should be universally liked.

I find Nico to be eminently more relatable than Lewis despite the latter's more humble beginnings and the general 'plucky underdog' narrative. It is far easier to relate to a guy not so 'blessed' with prodiguous natural talent and speed, but having to strive for the acknowledgement his peers (which he never gets). A lot of his interviews/public persona can be construed as defense mechanisms that flows from that premise. I guess, I get Nico more than I get Lewis.

If you don't get sucked into the 'us vs them' game, you'll learn to see the 'good' in people you don't like and who knows, might even come to appreciate them. It works for me.

Lewis and Nico are interesting characters, their history and rivalry certainly add an interesting dimension to the race weekends in the last few years.

I don't think either are that interesting....
As for the Merc F1, look at Magnusson, he once came 2nd in a McLaren, so he can drive a good car to a good position, so i can imagine in the current Merc Kev could be coming at least 2nd in it as the Merc is incredibility so, the class of the field, Palmer a guy racing F1 thanks to Daddy has out qualified Kev a few times and seems quite close to him, so Palmer i can deduce could realistically in that Merc be getting 2nd places....
I don't think Lewis or Nico are as good as the Merc makes them seem....
Button once said that he drove the best most commited lap ever at Spa in the Honda McLaren and was at the back, because he was over driving the car so much he was most likely at 110% and was the best lap he'd ever done in pure commitment , i think far too often Lewis and Nico are at 90% if not lower such is the advantage of the Merc.

It's like we have fooled ourselves into believing all we need is 2 drivers in the same car 'battling' it out, because that's all we have got we have conditioned ourselves to characterize them both and set this War up like a boxing bout. Somehow if Lewis beats Nico that's all the fans need to show proof that Lewis is the greatest.
The whole way the sport has been billed is just Lewis v's Nico, its all rather sad really. Not Mercs fault, not the drivers fault. Just wish we had some more drivers in equal cars.

With the reputation Lewis has he should of walked all over Nico and stamped his No 1 status on the team like Senna, Michael or Mika and Seb.. he didn't, maybe because Nico is much much better than his detractors say he is?

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 19:15

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 19:18

[LDN]

Yes I must be a raving nutter and Lewis was 'fortunate' ... like say, a lottery winner maybe? Tonnmeister is trying to turn the thread into a looney bin. Either that or his definition of fortunate is wide of the mark. About as wide as the crazy anti-fan wall he has dedicated to LH, in his basement, with newspaper cuttings and the whole nine! My keyboard needs less of a break than yours it seems you keyboard smasher, you.

All light hearted. Ive said earlier, Nico could be seen as more fortunate to have been born into F1. Would he have been an F1 driver had his family not been in it? Odds are, no. But I stated, he has had to earn his spot and stay on point and he can never be discredited for that. It's a mighty achievement no matter what, to make it to F1 on merit.

It should be mentioned that Karting keeps getting mentioned but the lower formulae are very even; there are better teams and worse but the gulf that we find in F1 is impossible. Hamilton (and many of the grid) have proven themselves here. Again, fortunate is the wrong word for these guys, luck? A little is necessary but spanning years of development, it won't count for much.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

Yes I must be a raving nutter and Lewis was 'fortunate' ... like say, a lottery winner maybe? Tonnmeister is trying to turn the thread into a looney bin. Either that or his definition of fortunate is wide of the mark. About as wide as the crazy anti-fan wall he has dedicated to LH, in his basement, with newspaper cuttings and the whole nine! My keyboard needs less of a break than yours it seems you keyboard smasher, you.

All light hearted. Ive said earlier, Nico could be seen as more fortunate to have been born into F1. Would he have been an F1 driver had his family not been in it? Odds are, no. But I stated, he has had to earn his spot and stay on point and he can never be discredited for that. It's a mighty achievement no matter what, to make it to F1 on merit.

It should be mentioned that Karting keeps getting mentioned but the lower formulae are very even; there are better teams and worse but the gulf that we find in F1 is impossible. Hamilton (and many of the grid) have proven themselves here. Again, fortunate is the wrong word for these guys, luck? A little is necessary but spanning years of development, it won't count for much.

Jesus man what so hard to understand about say a 12 year old in karting with his Dad buying him a kart to race and along comes a kid of 12 in a kart McLaren supply for him, which one is more fortunate!
Do you even understand what i mean by fortunate? Lewis was fortunate that McLaren backed him, he was blessed. He was clearly talented but is it not fortunate that circumstances happened where he could be spotted and snapped up by McLaren.
I am not singling out Lewis at all so stop banging on about other drivers this thread is titled 'Lewis Hamilton'.
Loads of talented sportsmen and women have tales of 'what might have been' had they not been somewhere, or someone hadn't turned up to see an event they were in as kids.
Same as many people have tales about missing out just as equally.
Get a grip and stop frothing at the mouth you nut case.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

It should be mentioned that Karting keeps getting mentioned but the lower formulae are very even; there are better teams and worse but the gulf that we find in F1 is impossible. Hamilton (and many of the grid) have proven themselves here. Again, fortunate is the wrong word for these guys, luck? A little is necessary but spanning years of development, it won't count for much.

So based on that then you agree that pretty much any of the current F1 mob could get into that Merc and qualify 2nd at least?

[SeeFive]

tommunster10 said:

SeeFive said:

I'll bite at fear of feeding the troll.

Ya know, I only see one poster here in the last couple of pages calling people fanboys and nutters and asking if they even watch F1.

And that poster asks others to be balanced in their posts.

Quite odd.

Moving on...

So a 'troll' to you is someone who just isn't a rabid Lewis fan then. Must people all treat Lewis like a deity?
It's a thread purely about Lewis an i'm giving my opinions. No one said it's a thread for just adulation and forum reach a rounds over Lewis.
If some prat says "oh Lewis once went from the back of the grid to first in a kart" I am going to say that this is not unusual in karting, and in karting like any Motorsport people can still have the best kart etc...

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:48

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:49

No a troll is someone who uses the words that you use to insult posters with an opinion different to theirs whether a follower of a driver or team, or in this case, one that has a different opinion of Hamilton. Nobody needs to use such derogatory expressions and terms about others' opinions to hold sensible discussion. It derails the thread.

In your post above, "rabid fan, deity, adulation, prat" etc. All that in just one post to state others should not view you as a troll. If it quacks like a duck... and it does every time.

You have previously insulted many other posters opinions and try to push the blame on them using your troll words of fanboy etc, have a look back. You see, not everyone in here is a "hater" or a "fanboy" just by expressing their opinion far less aggressively than you. It is the language of a troll, and whilst it may be not a deliberate thing for you, it is clear that your agenda is not unbiased debate to provide and consume opinion, but to cast slurs on other posters and insinuate superiority of your own opinion by open aggression and childish insults which ruin threads like this.

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

LDN said:

Yes I must be a raving nutter and Lewis was 'fortunate' ... like say, a lottery winner maybe? Tonnmeister is trying to turn the thread into a looney bin. Either that or his definition of fortunate is wide of the mark. About as wide as the crazy anti-fan wall he has dedicated to LH, in his basement, with newspaper cuttings and the whole nine! My keyboard needs less of a break than yours it seems you keyboard smasher, you.

All light hearted. Ive said earlier, Nico could be seen as more fortunate to have been born into F1. Would he have been an F1 driver had his family not been in it? Odds are, no. But I stated, he has had to earn his spot and stay on point and he can never be discredited for that. It's a mighty achievement no matter what, to make it to F1 on merit.

It should be mentioned that Karting keeps getting mentioned but the lower formulae are very even; there are better teams and worse but the gulf that we find in F1 is impossible. Hamilton (and many of the grid) have proven themselves here. Again, fortunate is the wrong word for these guys, luck? A little is necessary but spanning years of development, it won't count for much.

Jesus man what so hard to understand about say a 12 year old in karting with his Dad buying him a kart to race and along comes a kid of 12 in a kart McLaren supply for him, which one is more fortunate!
Do you even understand what i mean by fortunate? Lewis was fortunate that McLaren backed him, he was blessed. He was clearly talented but is it not fortunate that circumstances happened where he could be spotted and snapped up by McLaren.
I am not singling out Lewis at all so stop banging on about other drivers this thread is titled 'Lewis Hamilton'.
Loads of talented sportsmen and women have tales of 'what might have been' had they not been somewhere, or someone hadn't turned up to see an event they were in as kids.
Same as many people have tales about missing out just as equally.
Get a grip and stop frothing at the mouth you nut case.

Miaowwwww! You minx you.

Nope. You still don't get it, or Motorsport it seems. The 12 year old who is sponsored by McLaren... did they just sponsor him for no reason? THAT would be fortunate! Or did he earn the sponsorship through results and sheet talent? That's earned... not good fortune.

If you mean, Lewis is fortunate to have such sheer speed and natural ability, so that he was good enough to be taken on by the mighty McLaren, then fair enough. That's kind of you to say - but I'd argue then that he's no more fortunate / talented than any of the other drivers that made it to F1 on talent... like Vettel, for example... in a strange twisted way, you're the biggest Lewis fanboy of them all!

[Dr Z]

tommunster10 said:

I don't think either are that interesting....
As for the Merc F1, look at Magnusson, he once came 2nd in a McLaren, so he can drive a good car to a good position, so i can imagine in the current Merc Kev could be coming at least 2nd in it as the Merc is incredibility so, the class of the field, Palmer a guy racing F1 thanks to Daddy has out qualified Kev a few times and seems quite close to him, so Palmer i can deduce could realistically in that Merc be getting 2nd places....
I don't think Lewis or Nico are as good as the Merc makes them seem....
Button once said that he drove the best most commited lap ever at Spa in the Honda McLaren and was at the back, because he was over driving the car so much he was most likely at 110% and was the best lap he'd ever done in pure commitment , i think far too often Lewis and Nico are at 90% if not lower such is the advantage of the Merc.

It's like we have fooled ourselves into believing all we need is 2 drivers in the same car 'battling' it out, because that's all we have got we have conditioned ourselves to characterize them both and set this War up like a boxing bout. Somehow if Lewis beats Nico that's all the fans need to show proof that Lewis is the greatest.
The whole way the sport has been billed is just Lewis v's Nico, its all rather sad really. Not Mercs fault, not the drivers fault. Just wish we had some more drivers in equal cars.

With the reputation Lewis has he should of walked all over Nico and stamped his No 1 status on the team like Senna, Michael or Mika and Seb.. he didn't, maybe because Nico is much much better than his detractors say he is?

Why don't you think they both are interesting characters?

If you've been following the sport for awhile you will have noted that Lewis and Nico never had dominant cars till 2014. They've had plenty of time to prove their talent and some strong team mates to do it against. Any driver that can last 6 years at McLaren is certainly talented enough to be in F1 in my book. Have you seen the way they go through drivers?

And don't tell me it's 'cause he's black.

If you're still in doubt, have a look at some races in the first half of 2009 when Lewis got given an overweight porcupine to drive.

[HustleRussell]

You could just ignore this tommunster10 chap. He's posted a ton of stuff in his first month just getting increasingly inflammatory so obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.

[hora]

After 20yrs I've realised that I've lost interest in F1.

I've watched two races 'live' this year. I'd rush home, get excited and set the alarm for silly o'clock Sunday morning.

Now I check TV text for the result.

Back to BTCC I go. I'll start watching it with my 6yr old son.

Formula E has zero interest for me. I imagine it's like self-pleasuring wearing a thick glove.

[tommunster10]

SeeFive said:

tommunster10 said:

SeeFive said:

I'll bite at fear of feeding the troll.

Ya know, I only see one poster here in the last couple of pages calling people fanboys and nutters and asking if they even watch F1.

And that poster asks others to be balanced in their posts.

Quite odd.

Moving on...

So a 'troll' to you is someone who just isn't a rabid Lewis fan then. Must people all treat Lewis like a deity?
It's a thread purely about Lewis an i'm giving my opinions. No one said it's a thread for just adulation and forum reach a rounds over Lewis.
If some prat says "oh Lewis once went from the back of the grid to first in a kart" I am going to say that this is not unusual in karting, and in karting like any Motorsport people can still have the best kart etc...

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:48

Edited by tommunster10 on Monday 17th October 18:49

No a troll is someone who uses the words that you use to insult posters with an opinion different to theirs whether a follower of a driver or team, or in this case, one that has a different opinion of Hamilton. Nobody needs to use such derogatory expressions and terms about others' opinions to hold sensible discussion. It derails the thread.

In your post above, "rabid fan, deity, adulation, prat" etc. All that in just one post to state others should not view you as a troll. If it quacks like a duck... and it does every time.

You have previously insulted many other posters opinions and try to push the blame on them using your troll words of fanboy etc, have a look back. You see, not everyone in here is a "hater" or a "fanboy" just by expressing their opinion far less aggressively than you. It is the language of a troll, and whilst it may be not a deliberate thing for you, it is clear that your agenda is not unbiased debate to provide and consume opinion, but to cast slurs on other posters and insinuate superiority of your own opinion by open aggression and childish insults which ruin threads like this.

I think you'll find the insults came from the Lewis side first, but yeah why not selectively post in the hope you can get a mod to ban someone with a different opinion to yours, well done.
LDN resorted to childish insults way earlier towards me.
Oh well it is what it is enjoy your group reach around over Lewis.

[LDN]

hora said:

After 20yrs I've realised that I've lost interest in F1.

I've watched two races 'live' this year. I'd rush home, get excited and set the alarm for silly o'clock Sunday morning.

Now I check TV text for the result.

Back to BTCC I go. I'll start watching it with my 6yr old son.

Formula E has zero interest for me. I imagine it's like self-pleasuring wearing a thick glove.

I agree, this season I've missed watching a few races. The thing is that this dominant era is not too dissimilar to other dominant eras. Thankfully, they do come and go. Let's hope next season, we have a more even field. I'd love to see a competitive McLaren; what a treat it would be. And red bull should be back at the sharp end. Ferrari? I'm not sure; they seem stuck in a rut of being there or thereabouts but never finding that last bit of speed. It's almost become a habit.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

hora said:

After 20yrs I've realised that I've lost interest in F1.

I've watched two races 'live' this year. I'd rush home, get excited and set the alarm for silly o'clock Sunday morning.

Now I check TV text for the result.

Back to BTCC I go. I'll start watching it with my 6yr old son.

Formula E has zero interest for me. I imagine it's like self-pleasuring wearing a thick glove.

I agree, this season I've missed watching a few races. The thing is that this dominant era is not too dissimilar to other dominant eras. Thankfully, they do come and go. Let's hope next season, we have a more even field. I'd love to see a competitive McLaren; what a treat it would be. And red bull should be back at the sharp end. Ferrari? I'm not sure; they seem stuck in a rut of being there or thereabouts but never finding that last bit of speed. It's almost become a habit.

At we least we can agree on something. F1 desperately needs more than 2 cars that are able to win (barring either of them DNF). It's clear there are other drivers historically capable of winning or challenging provided they have cars closer in performance to the Mercs.
WDC in F1:
Kimi
Seb 4
Alonso 2
Button
Add to that very very exciting young drivers.
Yet none of them can get close to Nico or Lewis. History will gloss over the Merc dominance and with Toto being so likable they have avoided the Red Bull / Horner hate for the most part. But that along with car driven at 80-90% its been poor....unless your a Lewis fan.

[glazbagun]

LDN said:

I agree, this season I've missed watching a few races. The thing is that this dominant era is not too dissimilar to other dominant eras. Thankfully, they do come and go. Let's hope next season, we have a more even field. I'd love to see a competitive McLaren; what a treat it would be. And red bull should be back at the sharp end. Ferrari? I'm not sure; they seem stuck in a rut of being there or thereabouts but never finding that last bit of speed. It's almost become a habit.

I agree. I stopped watching towards the tail end of Schumacher's dominance, so I missed Hamilton beating Massa, Buttons WDC, Seb, etc. Ironically it was the new engines which peaked my interest again, and 2014 threw up some great entertainment, but there's only so much to get excited about in a two horse championship.