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There's been quite a few dominant eras and this one has been quite something. Mercedes are to be commended. But for the fans, for sure; it's not good. I think the other thing worth remembering is that Mercedes have let their drivers race; so at least it was a two horse race! Not great but better than a one horse race where one dominant team has one dominant driver who they favour. I think the red bull era was tainted for his reason; Vettel was quite obviously their wonder kid and was favoured, albeit subtly sometimes / not so subtly others. Mercedes have managed to seemingly give both drivers a shot, small consolation but still.
It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
thegreenhell said:
Either that or a complete non-story.LDN said:
There's been quite a few dominant eras and this one has been quite something. Mercedes are to be commended. But for the fans, for sure; it's not good. I think the other thing worth remembering is that Mercedes have let their drivers race; so at least it was a two horse race! Not great but better than a one horse race where one dominant team has one dominant driver who they favour. I think the red bull era was tainted for his reason; Vettel was quite obviously their wonder kid and was favoured, albeit subtly sometimes / not so subtly others. Mercedes have managed to seemingly give both drivers a shot, small consolation but still.
It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
Agreed. It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
The most interesting thing all season has been inter team rivalry, amazing how many times the cars have stacked up pretty much in pairs.
Racing behind the Mercs has been great for the most part as well if you were willing follow it and if the TV guys bothered to show it.
tommunster10 said:
LDN said:
There's been quite a few dominant eras and this one has been quite something. Mercedes are to be commended. But for the fans, for sure; it's not good. I think the other thing worth remembering is that Mercedes have let their drivers race; so at least it was a two horse race! Not great but better than a one horse race where one dominant team has one dominant driver who they favour. I think the red bull era was tainted for his reason; Vettel was quite obviously their wonder kid and was favoured, albeit subtly sometimes / not so subtly others. Mercedes have managed to seemingly give both drivers a shot, small consolation but still.
It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
Agreed. It's rare you see two great talents side by side let alone allowed to race. Rosberg is supremely fast and has been underrated a long time. Alonso VS Hamilton. Alonso has since said he was taken aback at Hamiltons pace; and we all know how that panned out; the nuclear fallout. We have Button VS Alonso now but the car won't let them fight up front. We have Max VS Ricciardo which to me, is the other interesting pairing. I like both their driving styles and both can be equally as aggressive. If they are fighting for the WDC next year, the sparks will fly.
Next year has a lot of potential; here's hoping! Generally speaking, I think most F1 fans, when all is said and done; are in agreement; no matter their favoured drivers or teams.
The most interesting thing all season has been inter team rivalry, amazing how many times the cars have stacked up pretty much in pairs.
Racing behind the Mercs has been great for the most part as well if you were willing follow it and if the TV guys bothered to show it.
LDN said:
I agree, this season I've missed watching a few races. The thing is that this dominant era is not too dissimilar to other dominant eras. Thankfully, they do come and go. Let's hope next season, we have a more even field. I'd love to see a competitive McLaren; what a treat it would be. And red bull should be back at the sharp end. Ferrari? I'm not sure; they seem stuck in a rut of being there or thereabouts but never finding that last bit of speed. It's almost become a habit.
That's not quite right. There has only been one season I can recall where a team has had such dominance over the rest of the field - and that was the 1988 McLaren MP4/4 - where the only non-McLaren win was when Senna clashed with JL Schelsser whilst lapping him.Sadly, we've had 3 seasons of this level of dominance - with seemingly no way for anyone else to get close, unless Mercedes make a complete hash of things. Unfortunately, the rules never allowed anyone to really catch up if they didn't nail the powerplant out of the box on day 1.
Even in the seasons where Red Bull were the best team, they never had this level of dominance over everyone else.
Trabi601 said:
LDN said:
I agree, this season I've missed watching a few races. The thing is that this dominant era is not too dissimilar to other dominant eras. Thankfully, they do come and go. Let's hope next season, we have a more even field. I'd love to see a competitive McLaren; what a treat it would be. And red bull should be back at the sharp end. Ferrari? I'm not sure; they seem stuck in a rut of being there or thereabouts but never finding that last bit of speed. It's almost become a habit.
That's not quite right. There has only been one season I can recall where a team has had such dominance over the rest of the field - and that was the 1988 McLaren MP4/4 - where the only non-McLaren win was when Senna clashed with JL Schelsser whilst lapping him.Sadly, we've had 3 seasons of this level of dominance - with seemingly no way for anyone else to get close, unless Mercedes make a complete hash of things. Unfortunately, the rules never allowed anyone to really catch up if they didn't nail the powerplant out of the box on day 1.
Even in the seasons where Red Bull were the best team, they never had this level of dominance over everyone else.
LDN said:
Agreed the level of dominance might be different but dominance is dominance; in that during the Red Bull days, you could be pretty sure who would win... maybe not as sure as the Merc era but sure never the less.
It was completely different.2010 RBR won 9 races, Ferrari 5, McLaren 5. Seb took the title from Fernando by just 4 points.
2011 RBR won 12 races, McLaren 6, Ferrari 1. Seb took the title by 122 points from Jenson.
2012 RBR won 7 races, McLaren 7, Ferrari 3, Lotus 1 and Williams 1. Seb took the title by 3 points from Fernando.
2013 RBR won 13 races, Mercedes 3, Ferrari 2 and Lotus 1. Seb took the title by 155 points from Fernando.
Of the 4 seasons, 2 were very close, 2 were pretty dominant, but 6 races were still won by 3 other teams even in 2013.
2014 Mercedes 16 wins, RBR 3 wins. Lewis takes the title by 146 points from the nearest non Mercedes driver. The 4th placed driver was nearly 200 points down.
2015 Mercedes win 16 again, Ferrari win 3. Lewis takes the title by 103 from Seb, the nearest non-Mercedes driver. 4 place was Kimi, a massive 231 points down.
2016 Mercedes 15 wins so far, with RBR picking up 2. Gap is 101 points from Nico to Daniel, with 4 races to go.
What can we conclude?
RBR were dominant - but not *that* dominant. Vettel was right at the top of his game, hence his big points gaps in 2011 and 2013.
We can also conclude that Webber is a nice guy and a decent driver - but that Nico is a truly top-class driver, as he has taken lots of points off Lewis, whilst Webber didn't really put up a sustained title challenge. If Lewis was as unopposed as Seb was, he'd have racked up a lot more points and wins.
Roll on the rule changes - and let's hope we can get back to those heady days of 2012 where 5 different cars won races!
thegreenhell said:
I take it all that criticised him from this thread who think the press conference is a great informative aspect for the fans will be glued to their tv's each raceway weekend for the 'press conference.'SmoothCriminal said:
thegreenhell said:
I take it all that criticised him from this thread who think the press conference is a great informative aspect for the fans will be glued to their tv's each raceway weekend for the 'press conference.'Word to yo momma. You say Honey i say G. Honey, G etc etc.
Trabi601 said:
LDN said:
Agreed the level of dominance might be different but dominance is dominance; in that during the Red Bull days, you could be pretty sure who would win... maybe not as sure as the Merc era but sure never the less.
It was completely different.2010 RBR won 9 races, Ferrari 5, McLaren 5. Seb took the title from Fernando by just 4 points.
2011 RBR won 12 races, McLaren 6, Ferrari 1. Seb took the title by 122 points from Jenson.
2012 RBR won 7 races, McLaren 7, Ferrari 3, Lotus 1 and Williams 1. Seb took the title by 3 points from Fernando.
2013 RBR won 13 races, Mercedes 3, Ferrari 2 and Lotus 1. Seb took the title by 155 points from Fernando.
Of the 4 seasons, 2 were very close, 2 were pretty dominant, but 6 races were still won by 3 other teams even in 2013.
2014 Mercedes 16 wins, RBR 3 wins. Lewis takes the title by 146 points from the nearest non Mercedes driver. The 4th placed driver was nearly 200 points down.
2015 Mercedes win 16 again, Ferrari win 3. Lewis takes the title by 103 from Seb, the nearest non-Mercedes driver. 4 place was Kimi, a massive 231 points down.
2016 Mercedes 15 wins so far, with RBR picking up 2. Gap is 101 points from Nico to Daniel, with 4 races to go.
What can we conclude?
RBR were dominant - but not *that* dominant. Vettel was right at the top of his game, hence his big points gaps in 2011 and 2013.
We can also conclude that Webber is a nice guy and a decent driver - but that Nico is a truly top-class driver, as he has taken lots of points off Lewis, whilst Webber didn't really put up a sustained title challenge. If Lewis was as unopposed as Seb was, he'd have racked up a lot more points and wins.
Roll on the rule changes - and let's hope we can get back to those heady days of 2012 where 5 different cars won races!
CoolHands said:
attendance might be mandatory but he could no comment all the way through, or just give stupidly bland answers. You can't force someone to cooperate.
Surely you could remind him that as part of a large contract that he shouldnt place himself above his duties though?And to stop looking like a self entitled bell end for thinkimg himself above the task.
Dusty964 said:
CoolHands said:
attendance might be mandatory but he could no comment all the way through, or just give stupidly bland answers. You can't force someone to cooperate.
Surely you could remind him that as part of a large contract that he shouldnt place himself above his duties though?And to stop looking like a self entitled bell end for thinkimg himself above the task.
Me, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the piss. It is indeed a boring and dated process with the same questions trotted out each time.
Kimi had it right all along.
tommunster10 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
thegreenhell said:
I take it all that criticised him from this thread who think the press conference is a great informative aspect for the fans will be glued to their tv's each raceway weekend for the 'press conference.'Word to yo momma. You say Honey i say G. Honey, G etc etc.
Drivers press conferance is THE most boring thing sky show, full of boring reporters asking the same inane questions over and over again, about time somone other thean Kimi pointed it out.
Edited by S0 What on Wednesday 19th October 22:22
LDN said:
When Kimi responds with bland answers and openly states how he hates these type of commitments, he's the iceman! But anyone else...
Me, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the piss. It is indeed a boring and dated process with the same questions trotted out each time.
Kimi had it right all along.
But Kimi is always the same and that's why he is a character.Me, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the piss. It is indeed a boring and dated process with the same questions trotted out each time.
Kimi had it right all along.
Compare LH's post race interview at Silverstone to his that of his last (podium finish) race - huge difference. Now compare Kimi's interview after winning the championship to being asked what tyre pressures he would like to use at his next race.
InductionRoar said:
LDN said:
When Kimi responds with bland answers and openly states how he hates these type of commitments, he's the iceman! But anyone else...
Me, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the piss. It is indeed a boring and dated process with the same questions trotted out each time.
Kimi had it right all along.
But Kimi is always the same and that's why he is a character.Me, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the piss. It is indeed a boring and dated process with the same questions trotted out each time.
Kimi had it right all along.
Compare LH's post race interview at Silverstone to his that of his last (podium finish) race - huge difference. Now compare Kimi's interview after winning the championship to being asked what tyre pressures he would like to use at his next race.
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