Lewis Hamilton

[tommunster10]

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

[Dr Z]

swisstoni said:

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

I see what you did there. Presumably, he only beat Rosberg in 2013 as a No.1.

[heebeegeetee]

Nice article by Damon Hill. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/09/damo...

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

Who said Rosberg is rubbish? Nobody. I think you've lost the plot; genuinely; no offence intended. Everyone here has said Rosberg is underrated and very very fast. Has he proved himself in wheel to wheel combat? No. What's hard to understand here? I mean really.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

Who said Rosberg is rubbish? Nobody. I think you've lost the plot; genuinely; no offence intended. Everyone here has said Rosberg is underrated and very very fast. Has he proved himself in wheel to wheel combat? No. What's hard to understand here? I mean really.

Do you not read all the posts on the threads? It might be wise to before you go saying that everyone is saying Nico is one of F1 greatest ever drivers up there in the same breath as the legends of the sport, to read all posts before responding.
Your the one whose 'lost the plot' as you say if you think everyone is saying Nico is great.

[tommunster10]

cjm said:

37chevy said:

cant disagree with that, but my point stands that you cant shove any monkey into a race car

I think Nicos drive at Monaco this year proves that isn't true...

here's one. There's tonnes though.

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

Who said Rosberg is rubbish? Nobody. I think you've lost the plot; genuinely; no offence intended. Everyone here has said Rosberg is underrated and very very fast. Has he proved himself in wheel to wheel combat? No. What's hard to understand here? I mean really.

Do you not read all the posts on the threads? It might be wise to before you go saying that everyone is saying Nico is one of F1 greatest ever drivers up there in the same breath as the legends of the sport, to read all posts before responding.
Your the one whose 'lost the plot' as you say if you think everyone is saying Nico is great.

It's official! Pass the man a straight jacket. I said people weren't saying he's 'rubbish'... so you now flip it and make out like I think everyone is saying he's a legend and the best ever... I never said that; you're putting words into other people mouths and you've lost it. Read the article above by Damon Hill. He clearly says that Hamilton is the better driver. We all know it; the whole paddock knows it. But like Hill says: that doesn't mean Risberg isn't fast or undeserving. I personally think he will be a deserving champion despite knowing that all things being equal; Hamilton would have won it this year. Where's the confusion? You want to bring Hamiton down a peg or two perhaps; I'm not sure. Not going to happen pal. Talent is something that cannot be argued with; no matter the car anyone finds themselves in. It's why Alonso is still so respected and has not been written off as a crap driver. Do you get it yet?

Jeez.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

Who said Rosberg is rubbish? Nobody. I think you've lost the plot; genuinely; no offence intended. Everyone here has said Rosberg is underrated and very very fast. Has he proved himself in wheel to wheel combat? No. What's hard to understand here? I mean really.

Do you not read all the posts on the threads? It might be wise to before you go saying that everyone is saying Nico is one of F1 greatest ever drivers up there in the same breath as the legends of the sport, to read all posts before responding.
Your the one whose 'lost the plot' as you say if you think everyone is saying Nico is great.

It's official! Pass the man a straight jacket. I said people weren't saying he's 'rubbish'... so you now flip it and make out like I think everyone is saying he's a legend and the best ever... I never said that; you're putting words into other people mouths and you've lost it. Read the article above by Damon Hill. He clearly says that Hamilton is the better driver. We all know it; the whole paddock knows it. But like Hill says: that doesn't mean Risberg isn't fast or undeserving. I personally think he will be a deserving champion despite knowing that all things being equal; Hamilton would have won it this year. Where's the confusion? You want to bring Hamiton down a peg or two perhaps; I'm not sure. Not going to happen pal. Talent is something that cannot be argued with; no matter the car anyone finds themselves in. It's why Alonso is still so respected and has not been written off as a crap driver. Do you get it yet?

Jeez.

Lol, calm down take a breather, go easy on your keyboard and wipe away the spittle from the side of your mouth.... now Ok let me explain. A lot of people say Nico is not very good, clearly Lewis is better, but IMO not by as much as i expected, so credit to Nico. That is all. Is it so hard to understand Mr Angry?

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

swisstoni said:

tommunster10 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

LDN said:

Very good points here. People complain about Lewis and his clothes or music he listens to - but nobody ever said the boy can't race. Same is said for Alonso. Whereas, even Vettel has been shown up on occasion and been critisised. I think everyone in the paddock knows who the true 'special' talents are. No matter the results.

Very true, unfortunately Nico is likely never mentioned in the top 3.......

But this is the whole point when people say that, explain why then Nico is so close to Lewis and has had the beating of him on pure pace certainly in qualifying.
It's not all about racing and in fact once your in the best car it has very little to with racing hence why people say how kind Lewis is on his car and tires these days.
Fact remains that a man paid a lot less, is unofficially at least the No2 driver (by wage), is leading the WDC, has come 2nd in WDC twice, pretty equal on poles, can be classed like this.
What does this say actually about Lewis if Nico isn't that great?
If Alonso / Vettel in the Merc of been even closer to Lewis than Nico? How much more close could they of got?
You either suck it up and say Nico is up there with the greats, or say he average and accept that average is pretty clsoe to being as good as Lewis if not at time better and faster.....

Hamilton has beaten him 2 seasons out of 3. Apart from unreliability it would probably be 3 out of 3 this year.
But I agree, Rosberg is an excellent and underrated F1 driver who beat Schumacher fair and square when he returned from retirement, (people couldn't really explain that one at the time), and has pushed Hamilton hard.

But you are shooting yourself in the foot if your basic point is that Hamilton isn't as good as he is cracked up to be (that IS your point isn't it - amongst the endless pages of waffle?)
Because Hamilton has had the beating of an excellent teammate in EXACTLY the same equipment, with NO team orders and NO number one status fair and square. No recent WDCs can say that.

So in fact you are really highlighting Hamilton's quality.

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

Who said Rosberg is rubbish? Nobody. I think you've lost the plot; genuinely; no offence intended. Everyone here has said Rosberg is underrated and very very fast. Has he proved himself in wheel to wheel combat? No. What's hard to understand here? I mean really.

Do you not read all the posts on the threads? It might be wise to before you go saying that everyone is saying Nico is one of F1 greatest ever drivers up there in the same breath as the legends of the sport, to read all posts before responding.
Your the one whose 'lost the plot' as you say if you think everyone is saying Nico is great.

It's official! Pass the man a straight jacket. I said people weren't saying he's 'rubbish'... so you now flip it and make out like I think everyone is saying he's a legend and the best ever... I never said that; you're putting words into other people mouths and you've lost it. Read the article above by Damon Hill. He clearly says that Hamilton is the better driver. We all know it; the whole paddock knows it. But like Hill says: that doesn't mean Risberg isn't fast or undeserving. I personally think he will be a deserving champion despite knowing that all things being equal; Hamilton would have won it this year. Where's the confusion? You want to bring Hamiton down a peg or two perhaps; I'm not sure. Not going to happen pal. Talent is something that cannot be argued with; no matter the car anyone finds themselves in. It's why Alonso is still so respected and has not been written off as a crap driver. Do you get it yet?

Jeez.

Lol, calm down take a breather, go easy on your keyboard and wipe away the spittle from the side of your mouth.... now Ok let me explain. A lot of people say Nico is not very good, clearly Lewis is better, but IMO not by as much as i expected, so credit to Nico. That is all. Is it so hard to understand Mr Angry?

Ok. I counted to ten and I've calmed down now. My keyboard, however, is now br^*en

End of the day; agreed; credit to Nico. Whilst he may not be as good in wheel to wheel combat; he's had to be supremely tough to keep going and building toward, what is likely, his WDC. And when I say tough; I don't mean with regard the rest of the grid; more being partnered with Lewis; who seems to get cheers the world over - whilst Rosberg has endured boos and animosity; unfairly for the most part. I think he certainly has a steel about him. Fair play if he wins it.

[SmoothCriminal]

Never learns

[LDN]

I think everyone will miss Massa when he's gone. A good guy.

[jbudgie]

I'll miss Jenson more.

[SeeFive]

LDN said:

I think everyone will miss Massa when he's gone. A good guy.

I won't.

[5150]

LDN said:

I think everyone will miss Massa when he's gone. A good guy.

Seat blocker

[Leroy902]

tommunster10 said:

Lol, calm down take a breather, go easy on your keyboard and wipe away the spittle from the side of your mouth.... now Ok let me explain. A lot of people say Nico is not very good, clearly Lewis is better, but IMO not by as much as i expected, so credit to Nico. That is all. Is it so hard to understand Mr Angry?

With all due respect, most of what you write does seem to be endless waffle, I can't really blame a few getting alittle frustrated at having to read some of the crap you write.

[SystemParanoia]

Lewis just had a fan give away - several copies of COD were given away to people who gave right answers to his questions on twitter.
he really engages with his fans on a personal level that i just dont see from the other drivers on the grid.

[Leroy902]

tommunster10 said:

No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.

So you say if Nico isn't seen as a top 3 driver, neither should Lewis on the basis Nico has run Lewis so close as teammates!?
Then you name Dan Ricciardo as being the best driver (along with Max)!?....
Would that be the same Dan that got beaten on points by his teammate Dany Kvyat last season

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Edited by Leroy902 on Thursday 10th November 19:48

[whatxd]

SystemParanoia said:

Lewis just had a fan give away - several copies of COD were given away to people who gave right answers to his questions on twitter.
he really engages with his fans on a personal level that i just dont see from the other drivers on the grid.

Good old Lewis, ordering a bunch of games off of Amazon and giving them away to his fans on twitter.

I wonder why he didn't do the same with Gears of War 4 or Battlefield? Could it be that he hasn't received a pay cheque from the developers of either of those games?

There's nothing to see here.

[SystemParanoia]

whatxd said:

SystemParanoia said:

Lewis just had a fan give away - several copies of COD were given away to people who gave right answers to his questions on twitter.
he really engages with his fans on a personal level that i just dont see from the other drivers on the grid.

Good old Lewis, ordering a bunch of games off of Amazon and giving them away to his fans on twitter.

I wonder why he didn't do the same with Gears of War 4 or Battlefield? Could it be that he hasn't received a pay cheque from the developers of either of those games?

There's nothing to see here.

I doubt he had to purchase them.. hes actually in the game.
You sound very pessimistic, what is so wrong about what he's doing ? he's openly stated that hes an avid online gamer and doing things like this has the potential to bring a new audience into the sport. win-win isnt it ?

[whatxd]

SystemParanoia said:

whatxd said:

SystemParanoia said:

Lewis just had a fan give away - several copies of COD were given away to people who gave right answers to his questions on twitter.
he really engages with his fans on a personal level that i just dont see from the other drivers on the grid.

Good old Lewis, ordering a bunch of games off of Amazon and giving them away to his fans on twitter.

I wonder why he didn't do the same with Gears of War 4 or Battlefield? Could it be that he hasn't received a pay cheque from the developers of either of those games?

There's nothing to see here.

I doubt he had to purchase them.. hes actually in the game.
You sound very pessimistic, what is so wrong about what he's doing ? he's openly stated that hes an avid online gamer and doing things like this has the potential to bring a new audience into the sport. win-win isnt it ?

I was taking the piss. I would've thought that was obvious.

It doesn't take a bright mind to figure out that this is all part of the deal that he signed up for with the developers.

And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, nothing at all. Let's be clear though, this was all part of his deal, it was not an act of charity on Hamilton's part.