Lewis Hamilton
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snorkel sucker said:
I think Lewis sees F1 as a highly convenient springboard to launch himself into the stratosphere of public popularity. Yes, he is interested in winning I have no doubt, but equally he knows he is the best racer on the grid and that any team would snap him up.
Really,among Alonso, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen it's far from obvious that Hamilton is the best racer on the grid. Skysports commercially conveniënt narrative obviously likes to bend it that way in all of their story lines full of Hamilton overstatements, hyperboles and superlatives.
Hamilton had the privilege of spending thee seasons in a row in one of the most dominant F1 cars in history, with less technical problems than his teammate in the first two seasons. Cruising to victory in so many races because of the Mercedes engine dominance.
And the F1 calendar never had so many races....
He won his first F1 title in the final lap of the last race of the season, with some help and some luck.
His 6 year run up to F1 was hardly an all concurring streak of domination, his last season in GP2 was impressive, but the rest was ok....
In between his F1 WDC titles he's often had races and seasons in which he showed more than a fair share of mistakes and clumsy driving. Ask Massa..
Hamilton in 2016 became 2nd in a two horse race, messing up starts, clumsy driving when starting in midfield, driving his teammate off track in Barcelona, not having the respect and talking down his teammate every race and of course luck when it comes to Race Controls decisions (Monaco and Mexico) in which he should've gotten penalty's for gaining an advantage where others did received penalty's.
DeltonaS said:
snorkel sucker said:
I think Lewis sees F1 as a highly convenient springboard to launch himself into the stratosphere of public popularity. Yes, he is interested in winning I have no doubt, but equally he knows he is the best racer on the grid and that any team would snap him up.
Really,among Alonso, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen it's far from obvious that Hamilton is the best racer on the grid. Skysports commercially conveniënt narrative obviously likes to bend it that way in all of their story lines full of Hamilton overstatements, hyperboles and superlatives.
Hamilton had the privilege of spending thee seasons in a row in one of the most dominant F1 cars in history, with less technical problems than his teammate in the first two seasons. Cruising to victory in so many races because of the Mercedes engine dominance.
And the F1 calendar never had so many races....
He won his first F1 title in the final lap of the last race of the season, with some help and some luck.
His 6 year run up to F1 was hardly an all concurring streak of domination, his last season in GP2 was impressive, but the rest was ok....
In between his F1 WDC titles he's often had races and seasons in which he showed more than a fair share of mistakes and clumsy driving. Ask Massa..
Hamilton in 2016 became 2nd in a two horse race, messing up starts, clumsy driving when starting in midfield, driving his teammate off track in Barcelona, not having the respect and talking down his teammate every race and of course luck when it comes to Race Controls decisions (Monaco and Mexico) in which he should've gotten penalty's for gaining an advantage where others did received penalty's.
If you want to know what the bosses think; you know, the people actually in the know, read this (and weep):
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Stay trying though; your will is strong, I'll give you that
LDN said:
DeltonaS said:
snorkel sucker said:
I think Lewis sees F1 as a highly convenient springboard to launch himself into the stratosphere of public popularity. Yes, he is interested in winning I have no doubt, but equally he knows he is the best racer on the grid and that any team would snap him up.
Really,among Alonso, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen it's far from obvious that Hamilton is the best racer on the grid. Skysports commercially conveniënt narrative obviously likes to bend it that way in all of their story lines full of Hamilton overstatements, hyperboles and superlatives.
Hamilton had the privilege of spending thee seasons in a row in one of the most dominant F1 cars in history, with less technical problems than his teammate in the first two seasons. Cruising to victory in so many races because of the Mercedes engine dominance.
And the F1 calendar never had so many races....
He won his first F1 title in the final lap of the last race of the season, with some help and some luck.
His 6 year run up to F1 was hardly an all concurring streak of domination, his last season in GP2 was impressive, but the rest was ok....
In between his F1 WDC titles he's often had races and seasons in which he showed more than a fair share of mistakes and clumsy driving. Ask Massa..
Hamilton in 2016 became 2nd in a two horse race, messing up starts, clumsy driving when starting in midfield, driving his teammate off track in Barcelona, not having the respect and talking down his teammate every race and of course luck when it comes to Race Controls decisions (Monaco and Mexico) in which he should've gotten penalty's for gaining an advantage where others did received penalty's.
If you want to know what the bosses think; you know, the people actually in the know, read this (and weep):
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Stay trying though; your will is strong, I'll give you that
He has been fortunate he's had an amazing car over the past few years, but that old saying 'fortune favours the brave', and the same could be said about every past wdc.
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
Leroy902 said:
The vast majority within the f1 circle, ex drivers, team bosses, commentators etc... Say Lewis Hamilton will go down in the record books as one of the great of the sport.
He has been fortunate he's had an amazing car over the past few years, but that old saying 'fortune favours the brave', and the same could be said about every past wdc.
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
He's a good driver, probably even a great diver.He has been fortunate he's had an amazing car over the past few years, but that old saying 'fortune favours the brave', and the same could be said about every past wdc.
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
So are Alonso, Vettel, Ricciardo and what we've seen from Verstappen so far. Stoffel van Doorne seems to be similar material.....
But if Hamilton decides to quit today, his awkward, self glorifying personality, his ego centric behaviour, his disrespectful attitude towards his teammate is far from missed. And I can't really tell if I've seen a memorable racing weekend in these past three seasons other than a overwhelmingly dominant Mercedes and some great Hamilton qualy's.
Personality's like Button and Coulthard are missed. Hamilton is not IMO.
By the way remember that Hamilton himself actually wanted to drive for RedBull but quite fortunately ended up at Mercedes....
Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 1st December 21:21
DeltonaS said:
Leroy902 said:
The vast majority within the f1 circle, ex drivers, team bosses, commentators etc... Say Lewis Hamilton will go down in the record books as one of the great of the sport.
He has been fortunate he's had an amazing car over the past few years, but that old saying 'fortune favours the brave', and the same could be said about every past wdc.
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
He's a good driver, probably even a great diver.He has been fortunate he's had an amazing car over the past few years, but that old saying 'fortune favours the brave', and the same could be said about every past wdc.
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
what do you know that the whole grid / team bosses don't? You must be plain thick, or biased beyond all rationale.Just in case you missed it
link:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
LDN said:
Wow; this is now troll territory. 'He's a good driver' - just 'good' according to guru DeltonaS what do you know that the whole grid / team bosses don't? You must be plain thick, or biased beyond all rationale.
Just in case you missed it link:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Good reminder, but I said some more. what do you know that the whole grid / team bosses don't? You must be plain thick, or biased beyond all rationale.Just in case you missed it
link:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
From troll to guru in one sentence, wow.....
Steve H said:
LDN, do you run the fan club?
I think Hamilton is an incredible driver. I also think he's a spoilt, petulant child which is why I wouldn't miss him if he was replaced by the line of other incredible drivers-in-waiting tomorrow.
I don't... I think Hamilton is an incredible driver. I also think he's a spoilt, petulant child which is why I wouldn't miss him if he was replaced by the line of other incredible drivers-in-waiting tomorrow.
You rightly stated he's an incredible driver. DeltonaS thinks he's 'good' - matters to me not but when I see stupidity; I'll call it.
DeltonaS said:
LDN said:
Wow; this is now troll territory. 'He's a good driver' - just 'good' according to guru DeltonaS what do you know that the whole grid / team bosses don't? You must be plain thick, or biased beyond all rationale.
Just in case you missed it link:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Good reminder, but I said some more. what do you know that the whole grid / team bosses don't? You must be plain thick, or biased beyond all rationale.Just in case you missed it
link:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
From troll to guru in one sentence, wow.....
Why do these conversations always turn personal when someone says someone negative about Hamilton.
People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
Nicolas Hamilton on the other hand is a total gent. Very grounded.
People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
Nicolas Hamilton on the other hand is a total gent. Very grounded.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st December 22:09
housen said:
think red bull would be a great fit
they have that young cool vibe about them
Nothing would crush that vibe faster than Lewis on the day something randomly didn't go his way.they have that young cool vibe about them
Lewis isn't new or young any more in terms of F1 drivers. He's one of a handful of top drivers, but also comes with a bunch of paranoia and other undesirable personality traits. A team with a strong structure would be needed to keep that negativity from spreading. Not a team with a "young cool vibe".
Has Lewis ever not fallen out massively with a team mate?
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Why do these conversations always turn personal when someone says someone negative about Hamilton.
People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
I think it's because the negative comments about the driver are normally of a personal nature. These discussions are always riddled with irony and double standards.People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
LDN said:
DeltonaS said:
snorkel sucker said:
I think Lewis sees F1 as a highly convenient springboard to launch himself into the stratosphere of public popularity. Yes, he is interested in winning I have no doubt, but equally he knows he is the best racer on the grid and that any team would snap him up.
Really,among Alonso, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen it's far from obvious that Hamilton is the best racer on the grid. Skysports commercially conveniënt narrative obviously likes to bend it that way in all of their story lines full of Hamilton overstatements, hyperboles and superlatives.
Hamilton had the privilege of spending thee seasons in a row in one of the most dominant F1 cars in history, with less technical problems than his teammate in the first two seasons. Cruising to victory in so many races because of the Mercedes engine dominance.
And the F1 calendar never had so many races....
He won his first F1 title in the final lap of the last race of the season, with some help and some luck.
His 6 year run up to F1 was hardly an all concurring streak of domination, his last season in GP2 was impressive, but the rest was ok....
In between his F1 WDC titles he's often had races and seasons in which he showed more than a fair share of mistakes and clumsy driving. Ask Massa..
Hamilton in 2016 became 2nd in a two horse race, messing up starts, clumsy driving when starting in midfield, driving his teammate off track in Barcelona, not having the respect and talking down his teammate every race and of course luck when it comes to Race Controls decisions (Monaco and Mexico) in which he should've gotten penalty's for gaining an advantage where others did received penalty's.
If you want to know what the bosses think; you know, the people actually in the know, read this (and weep):
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Stay trying though; your will is strong, I'll give you that
Steve H said:
Leroy902 said:
The sport would be by a country mile miss Lewis Hamilton more that any other driver on the grid if he was to retire tomorrow.
The sport might. I wouldn't.If he left tomorrow, would F1 miss him? - not at all. There's always someone else waiting to step up. Interest in the UK may wane a little, but globally, I doubt many would shed a tear.
Munter said:
Nothing would crush that vibe faster than Lewis on the day something randomly didn't go his way.
He's right on the verge of the sad old man trying to relive his youth and still being cool and relevant.He's setting himself up as that middle aged friend we all have who dresses like a teenager, has a vacuous girlfriend 20 years younger and listens to chart music.
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