Lewis Hamilton

[Steve H]

RedXYC said:

I read the 'trying to be Gangsta' comments as mild racism.

RedXYC said:

A lot of white folk just don't get it .

I read that as mild racism .

RedXYC said:

Hamilton is a black guy who identifies himself as a black man who happens to race in F1. He isn't trying to be anything.

He comes from middle England but has adopted the style of an american rapper. It can come over as affected as if I started to talk with a southern California accent because I like the Beach Boys (I do have the shorts ).


Mostly this is all off topic though and it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.

[768]

GCH said:

Wow. So because he likes and creates rap music, wears gold and diamonds, spends a significant amount of time living in the US and hangs out with American musicians and models (which is an accent that easily rubs off on you), that means he wants to be 'gangsta'?

Or is it because he does all of those things, but also happens to be black?



The 1950s called - they want their views back.

How about throwing gang signs?



That said, I couldn't care less, don't really think he actually wants to be in a gang and the last thing I want to do is side with Trabi who has far more personality flaws than Hamilton.

[hornetrider]

768 said:

Had to double check he didn't have six fingers then

[whatxd]

Steve H said:

RedXYC said:

I read the 'trying to be Gangsta' comments as mild racism.

RedXYC said:

A lot of white folk just don't get it .

I read that as mild racism .

RedXYC said:

Hamilton is a black guy who identifies himself as a black man who happens to race in F1. He isn't trying to be anything.

He comes from middle England but has adopted the style of an american rapper. It can come over as affected as if I started to talk with a southern California accent because I like the Beach Boys (I do have the shorts ).


Mostly this is all off topic though and it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.

Best post I've read on here in a while.

[LDN]

whatxd said:

Steve H said:

RedXYC said:

I read the 'trying to be Gangsta' comments as mild racism.

RedXYC said:

A lot of white folk just don't get it .

I read that as mild racism .

RedXYC said:

Hamilton is a black guy who identifies himself as a black man who happens to race in F1. He isn't trying to be anything.

He comes from middle England but has adopted the style of an american rapper. It can come over as affected as if I started to talk with a southern California accent because I like the Beach Boys (I do have the shorts ).


Mostly this is all off topic though and it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.

Best post I've read on here in a while.

You mean worst post... 'it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.' - wrong; it's a lot to do with why people don't like him much. Trabai is a prime example and has exposed himself for what he really is. According to him; Hamilton just 'found a way to fame' - the work ethic and dedication is something, I'll assume, he has no knowledge of and has never come close to, on a personal level. His posts smack of envy and bitterness. It's brilliant to see - purely because, it's rare people show themselves up like that. Usually, people hint toward such feelings but manage to keep a lid on it.

It's as clear as day and one can spot it a mile off. Some of you chaps would do well to just forget about F1 and go watch The Kardashians - or some such tripe. There, chat about who's wearing what and hanging around with who is par for the course.

[Europa1]

LDN said:

whatxd said:

Steve H said:

RedXYC said:

I read the 'trying to be Gangsta' comments as mild racism.

RedXYC said:

A lot of white folk just don't get it .

I read that as mild racism .

RedXYC said:

Hamilton is a black guy who identifies himself as a black man who happens to race in F1. He isn't trying to be anything.

He comes from middle England but has adopted the style of an american rapper. It can come over as affected as if I started to talk with a southern California accent because I like the Beach Boys (I do have the shorts ).


Mostly this is all off topic though and it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.

Best post I've read on here in a while.

You mean worst post... 'it's nothing to do with why many people don't like him much.' - wrong; it's a lot to do with why people don't like him much. Trabai is a prime example and has exposed himself for what he really is. According to him; Hamilton just 'found a way to fame' - the work ethic and dedication is something, I'll assume, he has no knowledge of and has never come close to, on a personal level. His posts smack of envy and bitterness. It's brilliant to see - purely because, it's rare people show themselves up like that. Usually, people hint toward such feelings but manage to keep a lid on it.

It's as clear as day and one can spot it a mile off. Some of you chaps would do well to just forget about F1 and go watch The Kardashians - or some such tripe. There, chat about who's wearing what and hanging around with who is par for the course.

I do wonder how much of the criticism of Hamilton's clothes, jewellery, style etc is simply because this is very different to the F1 norm, and very different to the demographic of traditional F1 fans. I'll admit I don't identify with his style, but then I'm a mid-40s white guy from a middle class background who doesn't believe in god and who spends his working life in offices and meeting rooms. This doesn't stop me admiring Hamilton's obvious talent, respecting his dedication (it seems to me you just don't get to be, and remain, a Formula 1 driver without a very good work ethic), nor does it make me take exception to his lifestyle. The cynic in me suspects many would regard him very differently if he went out on the lash, in well tailored clothes (but perhaps with flipflops instead of patent leather dress shoes...), and was seen in the company of a succession of supermodels (instead of rap stars)...

[KevinCamaroSS]

Trabi601 said:

No, he's completely different.

The son of an IT Contractor from Middle England who has a false American accent and wants to be 'gangsta', despite being from one of the most middle class, middle England backgrounds you could possibly have.

I used to manage Dixons stores in that general area about 15 years back - the number of Harpenden (substitute here any large town in that general area) bred youth pretending to be 'gangsta' was laughable. Lewis is nothing more than one of those who has managed to find a route to fame.

Here you are proving yourself stupid. 'Middle England' is NOT living in a council house in Stevenage with a father who works two, or more, jobs to pay for your karting. Middle England is the 'shires' with families earning more than the average wage living in detached 3-4 bedroom houses that they own.

Hamilton has got where he is by being the best of the best. Why do you think Ron Dennis supported his early career and offered him a place in F1 (at the time the youngest person ever to be offered a future seat in F1)? Because Hamilton could bring funds, or, because he was already showing himself to be an outstanding racing driver? Since he had no funds I guess we have to go with option 2.

As for Red Bull, this has not and will not ever be an option for Hamilton. The reason I state this so forcefully is that Dr Marko will not allow any driver outside the Red Bull Young Driver Program take a leading role in the F1 team. Look at what happened to Mark Webber (I also rate Webber higher than Vettel as a driver for a number of reasons). Webber's route to F1 was also tough with him having to prove himself along the way.

[Munter]

LDN said:

It's as clear as day and one can spot it a mile off. Some of you chaps would do well to just forget about F1 and go watch The Kardashians - or some such tripe. There, chat about who's wearing what and hanging around with who is par for the course.

So on a thread about Lewis Hamilton. You think people should only discuss Lewis Hamilton's driving? If you didn't want to read people's thoughts about Lewis Hamilton the person, you'd have stopped reading this thread many pages ago.

You are essentially watching the Kardashians and then joining in a thread discussing the show, in order to winge about people who discuss the show.

It still boils down to this.

Lewis = Brilliant driver
Lewis = Lame public image outside of the car (Think Vanilla Ice, but trying to be serious)

Some of us can separate the two. Some of us can't. Those who can't get very confused and angry.

[LDN]

Munter said:

LDN said:

It's as clear as day and one can spot it a mile off. Some of you chaps would do well to just forget about F1 and go watch The Kardashians - or some such tripe. There, chat about who's wearing what and hanging around with who is par for the course.

So on a thread about Lewis Hamilton. You think people should only discuss Lewis Hamilton's driving? If you didn't want to read people's thoughts about Lewis Hamilton the person, you'd have stopped reading this thread many pages ago.

You are essentially watching the Kardashians and then joining in a thread discussing the show, in order to winge about people who discuss the show.

It still boils down to this.

Lewis = Brilliant driver
Lewis = Lame public image outside of the car (Think Vanilla Ice, but trying to be serious)

Some of us can separate the two. Some of us can't. Those who can't get very confused and angry.

They should be seperate and well done for being able to seperate the two. Your view of Hamilton out of the car is not a view I agree with but I won't argue with you. Trabi is the type of person - who's view of Hamiton, as a whole, is tainted by his own bitterness in life. Fact. I have a PHD in psychology; not that you need one to spot his type a mile off.

The debate on PH may rage on - but the paddock acknowledges Hamilton as a great. Some people can't accept it and, like I said before, it's hilarious to watch posters writhe around, in an attempt to claim he's not a supreme talent. The team bosses, drivers et al must all be wrong And better than that, Hamilton got lucky and merely 'found a way to fame' - this coming from a guy who worked at Dixons and has probably never known the level of sacrifice and dedication it takes to make it to the top level of F1, or any sport for that matter.

[whatxd]

LDN said:

They should be seperate and well done for being able to seperate the two. Your view of Hamilton out of the car is not a view I agree with but I won't argue with you. Trabi is the type of person - who's view of Hamiton, as a whole, is tainted by his own bitterness in life. Fact. I have a PHD in psychology; not that you need one to spot his type a mile off.

The debate on PH may rage on - but the paddock acknowledges Hamilton as a great. Some people can't accept it and, like I said before, it's hilarious to watch posters writhe around, in an attempt to claim he's not a supreme talent. The team bosses, drivers et al must all be wrong And better than that, Hamilton got lucky and merely 'found a way to fame' - this coming from a guy who worked at Dixons and has probably never known the level of sacrifice and dedication it takes to make it to the top level of F1, or any sport for that matter.

You seem very salty.

[LDN]

whatxd said:

LDN said:

They should be seperate and well done for being able to seperate the two. Your view of Hamilton out of the car is not a view I agree with but I won't argue with you. Trabi is the type of person - who's view of Hamiton, as a whole, is tainted by his own bitterness in life. Fact. I have a PHD in psychology; not that you need one to spot his type a mile off.

The debate on PH may rage on - but the paddock acknowledges Hamilton as a great. Some people can't accept it and, like I said before, it's hilarious to watch posters writhe around, in an attempt to claim he's not a supreme talent. The team bosses, drivers et al must all be wrong And better than that, Hamilton got lucky and merely 'found a way to fame' - this coming from a guy who worked at Dixons and has probably never known the level of sacrifice and dedication it takes to make it to the top level of F1, or any sport for that matter.

You seem very salty.

I'm not

[coetzeeh]

Munter said:

LDN said:

It's as clear as day and one can spot it a mile off. Some of you chaps would do well to just forget about F1 and go watch The Kardashians - or some such tripe. There, chat about who's wearing what and hanging around with who is par for the course.

So on a thread about Lewis Hamilton. You think people should only discuss Lewis Hamilton's driving? If you didn't want to read people's thoughts about Lewis Hamilton the person, you'd have stopped reading this thread many pages ago.

You are essentially watching the Kardashians and then joining in a thread discussing the show, in order to winge about people who discuss the show.

It still boils down to this.

Lewis = Brilliant driver
Lewis = Lame public image outside of the car (Think Vanilla Ice, but trying to be serious)

Some of us can separate the two. Some of us can't. Those who can't get very confused and angry.

Well said.

[HustleRussell]

A colleague and I were discussing this morning how Hamilton has made a right dick of himself in the aftermath of the season. IMO he can be forgiven for his self-centred attitude at Abu Dhabi- after all, he's a top level sportsman who has just lost his title defence due in no small part to factors outside of his control. Indeed, he acknowledged champion Rosberg before the podium ceremony and congratulated him… However, after the dust settled and Rosberg announced his retirement, Hamilton has continued to make thinly veiled digs at Rosberg in the media

Lewis Hamilton said:

This is the first time he has won in 18 years {of racing together}, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop.

Lewis Hamilton said:

Of course it is a shame that he won't allow me to take it {the title} back or fight to take it back but that is his choice and I respect his decision: go out on top while you can.

Lewis Hamilton said:

I have a different viewpoint. I won the championship the past two years and I gave an opportunity each year to have another shot at it for someone.
That's how I am. I consistently believe in my ability and what I can do each year so even if I was to win again, most likely I would give another opportunity.

Three instances where Lewis was interviewed about Rosberg and managed to not only rain on his parade but crow-bar himself and his own game into each one.

Lewis Hamilton has consistently climbed in my estimations since he joined Mercedes, I will never be a big personal fan of his but he seemed to grow and mature into a more rounded sportsman- but this makes me all the more glad that Rosberg took the title on this occasion.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 5th December 11:02

[swisstoni]

[angrymoby]

768 said:

GCH said:

Wow. So because he likes and creates rap music, wears gold and diamonds, spends a significant amount of time living in the US and hangs out with American musicians and models (which is an accent that easily rubs off on you), that means he wants to be 'gangsta'?

Or is it because he does all of those things, but also happens to be black?



The 1950s called - they want their views back.

How about throwing gang signs?



That said, I couldn't care less, don't really think he actually wants to be in a gang and the last thing I want to do is side with Trabi who has far more personality flaws than Hamilton.

not Gansta ...he's just playing the 'circle game' ...& he now owes a fair few people a dig in the arm

[anonymous-user]

Lewis does not care who Mercedes team him up with in 2017.

This statement could backfire

[JNW1]

HustleRussell said:

A colleague and I were discussing this morning how Hamilton has made a right dick of himself in the aftermath of the season. IMO he can be forgiven for his self-centred attitude at Abu Dhabi- after all, he's a top level sportsman who has just lost his title defence due in no small part to factors outside of his control. Indeed, he acknowledged champion Rosberg before the podium ceremony and congratulated him… However, after the dust settled and Rosberg announced his retirement, Hamilton has continued to make thinly veiled digs at Rosberg in the media

Lewis Hamilton said:

This is the first time he has won in 18 years {of racing together}, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop.

Lewis Hamilton said:

Of course it is a shame that he won't allow me to take it {the title} back or fight to take it back but that is his choice and I respect his decision: go out on top while you can.

Lewis Hamilton said:

I have a different viewpoint. I won the championship the past two years and I gave an opportunity each year to have another shot at it for someone.
That's how I am. I consistently believe in my ability and what I can do each year so even if I was to win again, most likely I would give another opportunity.

Three instances where Lewis was interviewed about Rosberg and managed to not only rain on his parade but crow-bar himself and his own game into each one.

Lewis Hamilton has consistently climbed in my estimations since he joined Mercedes, I will never be a big personal fan of his but he seemed to grow and mature into a more rounded sportsman- but this makes me all the more glad that Rosberg took the title on this occasion.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 5th December 11:02

Absolutely right! Hamilton just didn't need to go there with some of his comments following Rosberg's retirement and IMO just made himself look bad as a result.

Instead of congratulating Rosberg on his career and wishing him all the best for the future - which was all that was required - he had to talk about how it was the first time Rosberg had got the better of him in 18 years and how Rosberg wasn't allowing him a chance to fight to take the title back (with the thinly veiled inference being Rosberg was ducking a contest by walking away). There's no doubt whatsoever that Lewis has talent in abundance when he's behind the wheel of a car but sadly some of his comments and actions when he's out of the cockpit are on an altogether different (lower) level....

[HustleRussell]

JNW1 said:

HustleRussell said:

A colleague and I were discussing this morning how Hamilton has made a right dick of himself in the aftermath of the season. IMO he can be forgiven for his self-centred attitude at Abu Dhabi- after all, he's a top level sportsman who has just lost his title defence due in no small part to factors outside of his control. Indeed, he acknowledged champion Rosberg before the podium ceremony and congratulated him… However, after the dust settled and Rosberg announced his retirement, Hamilton has continued to make thinly veiled digs at Rosberg in the media

Lewis Hamilton said:

This is the first time he has won in 18 years {of racing together}, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop.

Lewis Hamilton said:

Of course it is a shame that he won't allow me to take it {the title} back or fight to take it back but that is his choice and I respect his decision: go out on top while you can.

Lewis Hamilton said:

I have a different viewpoint. I won the championship the past two years and I gave an opportunity each year to have another shot at it for someone.
That's how I am. I consistently believe in my ability and what I can do each year so even if I was to win again, most likely I would give another opportunity.

Three instances where Lewis was interviewed about Rosberg and managed to not only rain on his parade but crow-bar himself and his own game into each one.

Lewis Hamilton has consistently climbed in my estimations since he joined Mercedes, I will never be a big personal fan of his but he seemed to grow and mature into a more rounded sportsman- but this makes me all the more glad that Rosberg took the title on this occasion.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 5th December 11:02

Absolutely right! Hamilton just didn't need to go there with some of his comments following Rosberg's retirement and IMO just made himself look bad as a result.

Instead of congratulating Rosberg on his career and wishing him all the best for the future - which was all that was required - he had to talk about how it was the first time Rosberg had got the better of him in 18 years and how Rosberg wasn't allowing him a chance to fight to take the title back (with the thinly veiled inference being Rosberg was ducking a contest by walking away). There's no doubt whatsoever that Lewis has talent in abundance when he's behind the wheel of a car but sadly some of his comments and actions when he's out of the cockpit are on an altogether different (lower) level....

That's the thing isn't it- Despite Rosberg winning the championship, pretty much everyone within and around the sport are quick to concede that Hamilton is better. Even Rosberg himself alludes to this, and it's not false modesty- he has time and time again reminded the world of the almost insurmountable challenge that is having to go up against Hamilton for his title.

Hamilton's digs are simply unnecessary, and in view of Rosberg's endorsements of his team mate, they seem to be in bad taste.

[LDN]

HustleRussell said:

JNW1 said:

HustleRussell said:

A colleague and I were discussing this morning how Hamilton has made a right dick of himself in the aftermath of the season. IMO he can be forgiven for his self-centred attitude at Abu Dhabi- after all, he's a top level sportsman who has just lost his title defence due in no small part to factors outside of his control. Indeed, he acknowledged champion Rosberg before the podium ceremony and congratulated him… However, after the dust settled and Rosberg announced his retirement, Hamilton has continued to make thinly veiled digs at Rosberg in the media

Lewis Hamilton said:

This is the first time he has won in 18 years {of racing together}, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop.

Lewis Hamilton said:

Of course it is a shame that he won't allow me to take it {the title} back or fight to take it back but that is his choice and I respect his decision: go out on top while you can.

Lewis Hamilton said:

I have a different viewpoint. I won the championship the past two years and I gave an opportunity each year to have another shot at it for someone.
That's how I am. I consistently believe in my ability and what I can do each year so even if I was to win again, most likely I would give another opportunity.

Three instances where Lewis was interviewed about Rosberg and managed to not only rain on his parade but crow-bar himself and his own game into each one.

Lewis Hamilton has consistently climbed in my estimations since he joined Mercedes, I will never be a big personal fan of his but he seemed to grow and mature into a more rounded sportsman- but this makes me all the more glad that Rosberg took the title on this occasion.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 5th December 11:02

Absolutely right! Hamilton just didn't need to go there with some of his comments following Rosberg's retirement and IMO just made himself look bad as a result.

Instead of congratulating Rosberg on his career and wishing him all the best for the future - which was all that was required - he had to talk about how it was the first time Rosberg had got the better of him in 18 years and how Rosberg wasn't allowing him a chance to fight to take the title back (with the thinly veiled inference being Rosberg was ducking a contest by walking away). There's no doubt whatsoever that Lewis has talent in abundance when he's behind the wheel of a car but sadly some of his comments and actions when he's out of the cockpit are on an altogether different (lower) level....

That's the thing isn't it- Despite Rosberg winning the championship, pretty much everyone within and around the sport are quick to concede that Hamilton is better. Even Rosberg himself alludes to this, and it's not false modesty- he has time and time again reminded the world of the almost insurmountable challenge that is having to go up against Hamilton for his title.

Hamilton's digs are simply unnecessary, and in view of Rosberg's endorsements of his team mate, they seem to be in bad taste.

I thinks that's a fair point. He's probably a little upset though, at not being able to come back next year and take the title back from him... other than that, I don't get it. There's a lot of people saying that he simply doesn't respect Rosberg's decision in that, most racers have it in their blood; to just keep going and to win. It seems everyone respects Rosberg on a human level - but from a drivers POV, I'm not sure if Rosberg has sold himself short. In the interviews; he literally admitted that it had all been a bit much and that he couldn't do it over again. I find that a bit odd, whilst respecting his decision.

In any case, this season will surely have refocused Hamilton's own mind and whoever is paired with him next year will have the ultimate benchmark by which to judge themselves.

[antspants]

HustleRussell said:

A colleague and I were discussing this morning how Hamilton has made a right dick of himself in the aftermath of the season. IMO he can be forgiven for his self-centred attitude at Abu Dhabi- after all, he's a top level sportsman who has just lost his title defence due in no small part to factors outside of his control. Indeed, he acknowledged champion Rosberg before the podium ceremony and congratulated him… However, after the dust settled and Rosberg announced his retirement, Hamilton has continued to make thinly veiled digs at Rosberg in the media

Lewis Hamilton said:

This is the first time he has won in 18 years {of racing together}, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop.

Lewis Hamilton said:

Of course it is a shame that he won't allow me to take it {the title} back or fight to take it back but that is his choice and I respect his decision: go out on top while you can.

Lewis Hamilton said:

I have a different viewpoint. I won the championship the past two years and I gave an opportunity each year to have another shot at it for someone.
That's how I am. I consistently believe in my ability and what I can do each year so even if I was to win again, most likely I would give another opportunity.

Three instances where Lewis was interviewed about Rosberg and managed to not only rain on his parade but crow-bar himself and his own game into each one.

Lewis Hamilton has consistently climbed in my estimations since he joined Mercedes, I will never be a big personal fan of his but he seemed to grow and mature into a more rounded sportsman- but this makes me all the more glad that Rosberg took the title on this occasion.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 5th December 11:02

In isolation those comments certainly do look like thinly veiled digs, and they may well be exactly that, however I'm sure we can imagine what the leading questions were that came before those responses. If he'd given answers that were only complimentary and respectful of Rosberg's decision then would he be criticised for being corporate and hiding his true feelings on the topic. Can't win either way imo so why not be honest.