Lewis Hamilton
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LDN said:
I sense you're a tad upset.
Nope 
You're just rubbish at interpreting peoples responses.
I find you odd. I'm simply pointing that out to you.
It's a forum. It's a thread about Lewis Hamilton. People are discussing Lewis Hamilton. If you don't want to discuss Lewis Hamilton what are you doing typing here? It's a kick of some form. Is it sexual? Just some warped idea of power? Do tell, it's fun trying to find out, but quicker if you just say.
LDN said:
I want to discuss Lewis Hamilton as a driver. Not his mannerisms, who his friends are, clothes, etc etc. That belongs on mumsnet... where, perhaps, you belong. If he, or anyone else, has said something you're upset by.. go cry a river.
You'll note that the opening post on this thread is the OP asking for PHer's opinions on whether an action of Hamilton's off the racing circuit was disrespectful or not. In any case I'm not sure that policing this thread is worth your effort.LDN said:
I want to discuss Lewis Hamilton as a driver. Not his mannerisms, who his friends are, clothes, etc etc. That belongs on mumsnet... where, perhaps, you belong. If he, or anyone else, has said something you're upset by.. go cry a river.
You already said you'd need to start a thread to specifically do that. So the question stands. What are you doing still typing in this thread? What sort of kick is it giving you?HustleRussell said:
LDN said:
I want to discuss Lewis Hamilton as a driver. Not his mannerisms, who his friends are, clothes, etc etc. That belongs on mumsnet... where, perhaps, you belong. If he, or anyone else, has said something you're upset by.. go cry a river.
You'll note that the opening post on this thread is the OP asking for PHer's opinions on whether an action of Hamilton's off the racing circuit was disrespectful or not. In any case I'm not sure that policing this thread is worth your effort.LDN said:
Exactly! Very good point. So much hypocrisy and false moral grounds. It seems half of pistonheads want nice guys on the grid. As I said before; that rules out half of them! And all the top drivers. These 'fans' would do better watching Cheshire Housewives or the like... and leave the racing to real men; not so easily offended or upset.
That's my view too. I've always felt that I prefer drivers not to abuse their children or beat their wives, but after that I don't really care so long as they race. Being a racing driver and not getting stuck in is a far bigger sin imo, and Hamilton hasn't resorted to methods that Senna and Schumacher did, so that should be enough imo.Who cares about the intonation in his voice or hue of tats?
Munter said:
London424 said:
It still surprises me that many people are surprised that elite athlete at the very top of their game get a bit snarky when it comes to talking about their direct competitors.
The very best believe they are the best and will often play mind games in their bid to keep it that way. If they happen to lose out they'll try and justify it in someway or other.
Go through the sports and you'll find plenty of examples.
I don't think anybody is surprised. He says a lot of crass things when asked questions. The pattern has continued, even when he's got nothing to gain.The very best believe they are the best and will often play mind games in their bid to keep it that way. If they happen to lose out they'll try and justify it in someway or other.
Go through the sports and you'll find plenty of examples.
London424 said:
My point was it's not just him. It's pretty much every single 'great'. Any sport, any era. That's just the way they are wired. They hate losing and anything they can do or say to give them an edge they will.
I get that to some extent although I'm not sure I'd agree it applies to any sport in any era; for example, I don't think you'll find many instances of Andy Murray continually trying to run-down and undermine the achievements of his opponents (usually quite the reverse). However, leaving that aside, why does Hamilton feel the need to try to maintain an edge over someone who's retired? If he wants to operate in that way surely he should save his efforts for drivers who are still racing and/or his new team-mate; totally pointless continuing to make jibes at Rosberg, that particular battle is over!
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
My point was it's not just him. It's pretty much every single 'great'. Any sport, any era. That's just the way they are wired. They hate losing and anything they can do or say to give them an edge they will.
I get that to some extent although I'm not sure I'd agree it applies to any sport in any era; for example, I don't think you'll find many instances of Andy Murray continually trying to run-down and undermine the achievements of his opponents (usually quite the reverse). However, leaving that aside, why does Hamilton feel the need to try to maintain an edge over someone who's retired? If he wants to operate in that way surely he should save his efforts for drivers who are still racing and/or his new team-mate; totally pointless continuing to make jibes at Rosberg, that particular battle is over!
As for Lewis...my guess is because he doesn't get the chance to reassert his dominance on track. So he's being asked questions by journalists and he's taking a last shot. I'm guessing we'll barely hear anything more because as you say Nico is now yesterdays fish and chip paper.
London424 said:
I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of Murray.
Off court?! I seriously doubt it. You are welcome to give it a try though and get back to us if you find an example.Kind of weasel-words to say that 'they are all like that'. Hamilton is a special case of ineptitude when it comes to self-awareness. Someone described it as the 'Michael Jackson effect' in another thread. Good analogy IMO - emotional and social development sacrificed in the pursuit of success.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th December 09:31
London424 said:
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
My point was it's not just him. It's pretty much every single 'great'. Any sport, any era. That's just the way they are wired. They hate losing and anything they can do or say to give them an edge they will.
I get that to some extent although I'm not sure I'd agree it applies to any sport in any era; for example, I don't think you'll find many instances of Andy Murray continually trying to run-down and undermine the achievements of his opponents (usually quite the reverse). However, leaving that aside, why does Hamilton feel the need to try to maintain an edge over someone who's retired? If he wants to operate in that way surely he should save his efforts for drivers who are still racing and/or his new team-mate; totally pointless continuing to make jibes at Rosberg, that particular battle is over!
As for Lewis...my guess is because he doesn't get the chance to reassert his dominance on track. So he's being asked questions by journalists and he's taking a last shot. I'm guessing we'll barely hear anything more because as you say Nico is now yesterdays fish and chip paper.
Specifically on Murray, I don't think his shouting on-court is to distract his opponents and if anything it arguably helps them and often makes his own performance worse; I've never played to anything like professional level but even in club tennis it gives you a boost if you see your opponent lose their temper at the other end of the court!
I suspect you're right about the Hamilton/Rosberg thing; Nico's retirement will soon be old news and attention will move quickly to the new 2017 season.
r11co said:
London424 said:
I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of Murray.
Off court?! I seriously doubt it. You are welcome to give it a try though and get back to us if you find an example.Kind of weasel-words to say that 'they are all like that'. Hamilton is a special case of ineptitude when it comes to self-awareness. Someone described it as the 'Michael Jackson effect' in another thread. Good analogy IMO - emotional and social development sacrificed in the pursuit of success.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th December 09:31
Michael Jordan
Ronaldo
Bolt
Kobe Bryant
Lance Armstrong
Mohammed Ali
You can go on and on with examples. There's a good reason that many of the very best athletes display many sociopathic/pyscopathic elements to their characters.
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....JNW1 said:
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/aus09/news/story...
It's not even a match he's involved in...but just throwing out some comments to belittle one of his opponents.
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....Nothing to see here...move along.
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jun/27/roge...
Honestly, you're blind if you don't think the very best are trying to get any edge they can over their opponents.
London424 said:
And here's Fed and Nadal.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jun/27/roge...
Honestly, you're blind if you don't think the very best are trying to get any edge they can over their opponents.
Got any after a player has announced his retirement?https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jun/27/roge...
Honestly, you're blind if you don't think the very best are trying to get any edge they can over their opponents.
Nico is not an opponent or a competitor. Or was Lewis just ramming a few more nails in the coffin to make sure?
London424 said:
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....Nothing to see here...move along.
Only on PH! The F1 forum descends into tennis chat - because some posters want examples of other sportsmen being competitive 
In all honesty, tennis is probably not the best example anyway. If Hamilton seems a little salty, toward Rosberg... so what?! Hamilton has said nothing like what Lauda has come out with. Some of you chaps need a thicker skin; seriously. Hamilton is sporting on track where it counts. If he rammed another driver off the track to win a WDC; I'd be first in line to say he's an unsporting t
t. But if he's talked down about Rosberg, what's the big deal? The world media don't seem to think a lot of what Rosberg has done; why should Hamilton or anyone else? Not everyone will respect Rosberg and his decision...
In all honesty, tennis is probably not the best example anyway. If Hamilton seems a little salty, toward Rosberg... so what?! Hamilton has said nothing like what Lauda has come out with. Some of you chaps need a thicker skin; seriously. Hamilton is sporting on track where it counts. If he rammed another driver off the track to win a WDC; I'd be first in line to say he's an unsporting t
t. But if he's talked down about Rosberg, what's the big deal? The world media don't seem to think a lot of what Rosberg has done; why should Hamilton or anyone else? Not everyone will respect Rosberg and his decision... JNW1 said:
London424 said:
JNW1 said:
London424 said:
I'm sure if I could be bothered to dig through you'll find examples, but tennis is not exactly my cup of tea,
You won't find lots of examples of Andy Murray making comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of his rivals and you won't find them from Federer, Nadal or Djokovic either; however, go back to the likes of Connors and McEnroe and you might have a point (plus they got up to all sorts of tricks on court as well!). But sorry, to say all great sportsmen in any era run their opponents down in an attempt to play mind games and gain an edge simply isn't true I'm afraid....Nothing to see here...move along.
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