Lewis Hamilton
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r11co - it's clear (to me) from many interviews on tv and the press that he likes to work with a team & build up relationships with them - meaning his direct team not the entire mercedes team. I am sure he makes them feel special to be working on his side of the garage. That's just the charisma and style that some people have. Take Paul di Resta as an alternative - do you really think his team are all up for it in the same way they would be with Lewis? Never in a million years.
CoolHands said:
it's clear (to me) from many interviews on tv and the press that he likes to work with a team & build up relationships with them - meaning his direct team not the entire mercedes team. I am sure he makes them feel special to be working on his side of the garage.
You are building your own narrative there to make your point, but even were that true Lewis is an employee of a team and while he can negotiate his position in that team and how much control he is allowed the bottom line is he is not there to be insubordinate. His job is not to manage the mechanics and the support staff.If Lewis conflates what he thinks are bad decisions by the management with some sort of conspiracy against him then he has to ask himself why he is still there. Either put up or shut up.
r11co said:
on thin ice?
You don't like Hamilton, this is wishful thinking and you're kidding yourself. The fact of the matter is that next season Lewis Hamilton will be contesting a championship and winning races in a Mercedes. Some people will be happy about it, some will be indifferent, and some will be angry for some reason or another. r11co said:
CoolHands said:
it's clear (to me) from many interviews on tv and the press that he likes to work with a team & build up relationships with them - meaning his direct team not the entire mercedes team. I am sure he makes them feel special to be working on his side of the garage.
You are building your own narrative there to make your point, but even were that true Lewis is an employee of a team and while he can negotiate his position in that team and how much control he is allowed the bottom line is he is not there to be insubordinate. His job is not to manage the mechanics and the support staff.If Lewis conflates what he thinks are bad decisions by the management with some sort of conspiracy against him then he has to ask himself why he is still there. Either put up or shut up.
we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
HustleRussell said:
r11co said:
on thin ice?
You don't like Hamilton, this is wishful thinking and you're kidding yourself.The ball is very much in Mercedes management's court right now and Lewis should be a bit more astute and realise his best bet is to chummy-up to the decision makers and win the best deal for himself rather than play the victim card right at this moment, regardless of how he personally feels and/or if there is any truth in his allegations.
r11co said:
housen said:
if people lived their lives like that
we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
I'm guessing you've 'departed' from a few jobs then..... we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
I work in a viper pit and get paid well for it
but the people who don't stand up for themselves don't make a bean
r11co said:
HustleRussell said:
r11co said:
on thin ice?
You don't like Hamilton, this is wishful thinking and you're kidding yourself.The ball is very much in Mercedes management's court right now and Lewis should be a bit more astute and realise his best bet is to chummy-up to the decision makers and win the best deal for himself rather than play the victim card right at this moment, regardless of how he personally feels and/or if there is any truth in his allegations.
r11co said:
CoolHands said:
it's clear (to me) from many interviews on tv and the press that he likes to work with a team & build up relationships with them - meaning his direct team not the entire mercedes team. I am sure he makes them feel special to be working on his side of the garage.
You are building your own narrative there to make your point, but even were that true Lewis is an employee of a team and while he can negotiate his position in that team and how much control he is allowed the bottom line is he is not there to be insubordinate. His job is not to manage the mechanics and the support staff.If Lewis conflates what he thinks are bad decisions by the management with some sort of conspiracy against him then he has to ask himself why he is still there. Either put up or shut up.
& if you've worked with or been a contractor you'd understand why he's not quite the 'team player' you think he is/should be
& if Merc don't like what he's saying/doing they can easily terminate his contract or simply wait for it to expire & contract someone else
HustleRussell said:
Clearly not because the fact of the matter is that next season Lewis Hamilton will be contesting a championship and winning races in a Mercedes.
Until Lewis turns up in Mercedes overalls for the first race in 2017 you cannot even begin to be certain about that.You seem to be convinced it is the best place for him to be (and I don't disagree), and in LH's heart-of-hearts he almost certainly knows that too, so what is there to gain by continually bad-mouthing and antagonising his paymasters, especially considering the fortunate position they find themselves in at the moment? Genuine question.
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 11:17
r11co said:
housen said:
if people lived their lives like that
we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
I'm guessing you've 'departed' from a few jobs then..... we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
It is not always a negative thing. Ability tends to lead some to leave for pastures new where they can have a better opportunity, or even just improve their lot in the way they want - more salary, better chance of success, happiness, kicking back at a certain age etc.
I guess one needs to look at the gains or losses in a person's career moves to see if the departures were ill judged by the instigating party, or even if they had a choice to stay. It would probably look from your seemingly almost unique position like Lewis has always lucked in as he has moved during his career. Can't be anything else can it as all the moves seem to have been quite positive... Given that he has never been let go.
What is it exectly that drives to to distraction about Lewis r11co? I am no doctor, but I would strongly recommend that for the benefit of your blood pressure you get a new hobby. You lambast others for posting opinion rather than fact, and yet you seem to post yourself as if you have some massive insight into his "employee" (contractor actually - he makes his own tax and PAYE arrangements for a start) status at Merc and all else that goes on around him. You are clearly fuelled to convince us all that you are the way.
For someone that clearly and openly despises Lewis and wishes him failure, you really do seem to believe that you have a unique inside track on his life and work arrangements. I am probably not the only one on here who recognises by the things that you post that you don't, and that you just make a lot of falsely assertive noise about him fired by the fact that he consistently gets success, and you just can't see why he should.
It is very boring after a while. Anyone who could have anything accurate and remotely progressive to counter your biased rants would probably not bother to engage with you. So I guess you win the Internet, and much to your disdain, Lewis will probably continue be in a position by some lucky consequence to win races and maybe even championships going forward.
For the sake of the thread, I will now disengage again. You may "still rise" if you wish, unencumbered by any remote sense of reality.
r11co said:
Until Lewis turns up in Mercedes overalls for the first race in 2017 you cannot even begin to be certain about that.
Let's see if I'm wrong.r11co said:
You seem to be convinced it is the best place for him to be (and I don't disagree), and in LH's heart-of-hearts he almost certainly knows that too, so what is there to gain by continually bad-mouthing and antagonising his paymasters? Genuine question.
I don't remember saying that, mostly because it's so obvious. Three WCCs and WDCs on the trot, surely odds on to at least be one of the two best cars next season... kind of moot anyway since Hamilton is contracted to Mercedes and all the other top seats are signed anyway.SeeFive said:
It is not always a negative thing. Ability tends to lead some to leave for pastures new where they can have a better opportunity....
I agree entirely, and it is kind of what I am getting at, but LH at the moment seems to be in public at least undecided about where he is best-served.SeeFive said:
What is it exectly that drives to to distraction about Lewis r11co?
Oh dear - another one blind to the message and so turns on the messenger. 
This is a new development - he said something very negative about his team in a planned TV interview. He was not 'doorstepped' nor was he put on the spot in the emotive heat following a race when his adrenaline would still be running high. I am just asking (but none of the fanbois want to answer or even acknowledge) - under the circumstances, with Mercedes able to pick-and-choose their line-up with an almost free hand and massive bargaining power, should Lewis at this moment in time be a bit more circumspect?
I am not suggesting they will boot him (unless he keeps giving them reasons to want to) but he should be realising that he has an opportunity to shape the driver line-up in his favour, and it is in his interests to be positive about the team rather than antagonise them, surely?
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 11:34
r11co said:
SeeFive said:
It is not always a negative thing. Ability tends to lead some to leave for pastures new where they can have a better opportunity....
I agree entirely, and it is kind of what I am getting at, but LH at the moment seems to be in public at least undecided about where he is best-served.SeeFive said:
What is it exectly that drives to to distraction about Lewis r11co?
Oh dear - another one blind to the message and so turns on the messenger. He said something very negative about his team in a planned TV interview. He was not 'doorstepped' nor was he put on the spot in the emotive heat following a race when his adrenaline would still be running high. I am just asking (but none of the fanbois want to answer or even acknowledge) - under the circumstances, with Mercedes able to pick-and-choose their line-up with an almost free hand and massive bargaining power, should Lewis at this moment in time be a bit more circumspect?
r11co said:
SeeFive said:
What is it exectly that drives to to distraction about Lewis r11co?
Oh dear - another one blind to the message and so turns on the messenger. HustleRussell said:
You need to drop this notion that we are to believe that you are the 'impartial messenger', you've shown your hand already and when it comes to Hamilton you are incapable of impartiality.
My partiality has nothing to do with it - objective facts are not negated because you disagree with the person presenting them. Lewis said what he said and the consequences of that are not affected by me telling you about it.HustleRussell said:
I don't remember saying that, mostly because it's so obvious.
Which is why I said I agree.HustleRussell said:
kind of moot anyway since Hamilton is contracted to Mercedes and all the other top seats are signed anyway.
Contracts can be bought out, plus none of us are party to any performance 'get-outs' that other drivers may have. All the 'top seats' being signed anyway improves immensely Merc's bargaining power.Put it this way - Lewis has the opportunity to influence the decision as to who will partner him next season. Do you think making negative comments about the people who ultimately have that decision is a wise way to motivate them to listen to what he has to say on the matter when the time comes?
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 11:46
HustleRussell said:
Let's see if I'm wrong.
Not the point of the discussion.r11co said:
Put it this way - Lewis has the opportunity to influence the decision as to who will partner him next season. Do you think making negative comments about the people who ultimately have that decision is a wise way to motivate them to listen to what he has to say on the matter when the time comes?
r11co said:
Contracts can be bought out, plus none of us are party to any performance 'get-outs' that other drivers may have. All the 'top seats' being signed anyway improves immensely Merc's bargaining power.
Put it this way - Lewis has the opportunity to influence the decision as to who will partner him next season. Do you think making negative comments about the people who ultimately have that decision is a wise way to motivate them to listen to what he has to say on the matter when the time comes?
If I truly believed in my ability, I would probably be concentrating on things other than who my team mate was next year, like possibly who my mechanics were to be, or if I would be allowed to do all I can to achieve my personal goals against my team mate.Put it this way - Lewis has the opportunity to influence the decision as to who will partner him next season. Do you think making negative comments about the people who ultimately have that decision is a wise way to motivate them to listen to what he has to say on the matter when the time comes?
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 11:46
r11co said:
Considering there are several ex WDC's who would jump at the chance of a Merc drive and the management have their pick of the paddock at the moment Lewis would be best to keep tight-lipped in public right now and keep his opinions 'in house'. .
You accuse others of creating a narrative and then spout 'it seems this and it seems that'.
Hamilton doesn't have to do a thing. If you were right; Mercedes would sack him and get another of these 'several WDCs' - will they? No, they won't. You're wrong. End of.
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