The Official 2016 USA Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Mr_Thyroid]

oyster said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

sandman77 said:

Absolutely. Drivers will soon be too afraid to make a move for fear of getting a penalty.

I don't think the Alonso/Massa move was investigated though was it?

Yes it was investigated after the race. Total joke.

Thankfully sense prevailed this time.

Seemed an exact replica of Rosberg on Kimi at Sepang, yet one gets a penalty and one doesn't.

Indeed, and if I remember correctly Rosberg was slightly ahead at the point of contact whereas Alonso was almost exactly level.

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Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Monday 24th October 18:35

[Mr_Thyroid]

28.3 At no time may a car be reversed in the pit lane under its own power.

[Vaud]

Mr_Thyroid said:

28.3 At no time may a car be reversed in the pit lane under its own power.

It wasn't under its own power. It was gravity.

[anonymous-user]

Mr_Thyroid said:

Indeed, and if I remember correctly Rosberg was slightly ahead at the point of contact whereas Alonso was almost exactly level.

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Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Monday 24th October 18:35

A picture says nothing.

Check the footage and you will see what happened.

Massa when he wakes up actually turns into Alonso which made them both go wide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92F3dWRod4c

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th October 18:48

[Dr Z]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

A picture says nothing.

Check the footage and you will see what happened.

Massa when he wakes up actually turns into Alonso which made them both go wide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92F3dWRod4c

You can quite clearly see Massa open up the steering as he sees Alonso beside him. Alonso simply drives into him after that...now need to see Alonso's onboard to confirm if he was trying to do something funny or if his natural trajectory took him so wide. I suspect the former.

ETA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzaTUEwk0LY

Although he takes the corner normally, he does a little jink before that (which seems to be the 'standard' way of adjusting the trajectory of the car in situations like this, creating 'understeer' ). Wily old fox, seemed to have made it look right at the limit. I hate him!!

Edited by Dr Z on Monday 24th October 19:07

[angrymoby]

Dr Z said:

You can quite clearly see Massa open up the steering as he sees Alonso beside him. Alonso simply drives into him after that...now need to see Alonso's onboard to confirm if he was trying to do something funny or if his natural trajectory took him so wide. I suspect the former.

ETA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzaTUEwk0LY

Although he takes the corner normally, he does a little jink before that (which seems to be the 'standard' way of adjusting the trajectory of the car in situations like this, creating 'understeer' ). Wily old fox, seemed to have made it look right at the limit. I hate him!!

Edited by Dr Z on Monday 24th October 19:07

if you look closely you see Massa's wheel connect with the rear of Alonso's wheel & Alonso's hands turn/snap clockwise on impact ...that would've compromised his turn & corner exit somewhat

Edited by angrymoby on Monday 24th October 20:05

[Jonnny]

Glad Ferrari let Seb stick the supers on and go banzai for one lap.

[anonymous-user]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

You clearly did not see Venus sitting in the VIP area of Mercedes garage.

You clearly don't have an interface into my optic nerves.

Why do people think they own the actions of others? It's all very odd.

Hopefully Mexico is a better race, it was pretty boring apart from Fred having a proper go near the end.

I was stood near the corner Fred passed Massa last year, there were quite a few overtakes exactly the same as that move, Button got done in one of them in an identical way but saw it coming so gave space, Massa either didn't see it coming or chose to turn in and make contact. It was a pretty standard passing move.

[mollytherocker]

Nico can secure the championship this weekend yes?

[anonymous-user]

Yes, If Nico wins and Lewis doesn't finish, then he will have a 51 point lead with 50 points available from the last 2 races.

[ClockworkCupcake]

jsf said:

You clearly don't have an interface into my optic nerves.

Why do people think they own the actions of others? It's all very odd.

I think what he meant was "it is evident from your reply that you either did not see, or else did see but failed to notice, or otherwise failed to take into account, the fact that..." etc etc, m'lud.

Anyway, this thread is going the way they usually do post-race, so I'll bow out now.

[foxsasha]

PhillipM said:

It's very easy, you leave the tarmac runoff area's and just add 6ft of slippy astroturf to the outside of the kerbs. Problem solved. None of this with they/won't they track limits bulls**t either.

Like at Spa at strategic spots on the outside of the kerb down Pouhon. I found out that all that is green is not tarmac the eye opening way last week when I tried to turn in at the same speed as a GT4 and found my car wasn't going to make the corner. No problem, wind the lock off a little, use a bit of the green tarmaaaaaamagaawd it's astroturf!

[Eric Mc]

MartG said:

Eric Mc said:

Of course, they might behave themselves a bit better and not go into the gravel traps in the first place - which is kind of what used to happen.

Replacing the kerbs and white lines with a 6' deep trench may do the trick

Or trees, park benches, lamp posts, hedges and all those other kerbside items that kept drivers honest in the old days

[ZX10R NIN]

Eric Mc said:

Or trees, park benches, lamp posts, hedges and all those other kerbside items that kept drivers honest in the old days

Works fine for these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1ns2lphIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPci-6eops8

[PhillipM]

foxsasha said:

Like at Spa at strategic spots on the outside of the kerb down Pouhon. I found out that all that is green is not tarmac the eye opening way last week when I tried to turn in at the same speed as a GT4 and found my car wasn't going to make the corner. No problem, wind the lock off a little, use a bit of the green tarmaaaaaamagaawd it's astroturf!

Bet you didn't run wide there again though!

[Eric Mc]

ZX10R NIN said:

Works fine for these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1ns2lphIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPci-6eops8

Indeed - and Irish tarmac rallying too.

[angrymoby]

the problem imho isn't observing/respecting track limits by drivers ...it's the lack of info that's being given to the public from the driver briefing, where the drivers are told by Charlie where they can/can't exceed them (& this has always been a part of F1! well ever since i've been watching from the early 80's)

Why anyone would want to enforce a rigid 'stay within the whitelines, regardless' policy is beyond me, because the knock on effects will be drivers being far far more cautious & frankly, we need things to make F1 less dull not more

As to Massa/Alonso, no idea why the stewards took a look, maybe they do now when there is any form of contact, regardless? personally i thought it was more of Massa closing the door or not realising someone was next to him, rather than Alonso punting him out of the way.

& no, Rosberg shouldn't have got a penalty for the Malaysia incident either ...although the cynic in me thinks that was more about curtailing any future deliberate 'punts' as we head towards the season finale

[HustleRussell]

Rosberg shouldn't have been penalised in Malaysia in my opinion, but being that he was I'm astounded Alonso got away with that. As somebody has already said, the stewards have once again proven themselves consistently inconsistent.

[oyster]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

Indeed, and if I remember correctly Rosberg was slightly ahead at the point of contact whereas Alonso was almost exactly level.

pics added

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Monday 24th October 18:35

A picture says nothing.

Check the footage and you will see what happened.

Massa when he wakes up actually turns into Alonso which made them both go wide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92F3dWRod4c

Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Monday 24th October 18:48

You'll have to explain better I'm afraid as 2 things don't add up.

1. Massa was already turning left, so are you saying he put even more left lock?

2. How can Massa turning left into Alonso make them BOTH go wide to the right? The physics just don't add up I'm afraid.

[oyster]

HustleRussell said:

Rosberg shouldn't have been penalised in Malaysia in my opinion, but being that he was I'm astounded Alonso got away with that. As somebody has already said, the stewards have once again proven themselves consistently inconsistent.

I think this is my position too. I'm all in favour of aggressive overtakes and thought Alonso's was borderline but still acceptable. Trouble is, Rosberg's was very, very similar but treated differently.