McLaren - Ron Dennis set to leave McLaren F1
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rubystone said:
More then one other team saw the info too. Whether or not they used it...well who can say?....they of course, escaped censure.
The impression I've got from all what I've been told and, to a lesser extent, read is that Coughlan and Stepney were hawking the Ferrari data, and purportedly similar material from McLaren, up and down the pitlane.Derek Smith said:
rubystone said:
More then one other team saw the info too. Whether or not they used it...well who can say?....they of course, escaped censure.
The impression I've got from all what I've been told and, to a lesser extent, read is that Coughlan and Stepney were hawking the Ferrari data, and purportedly similar material from McLaren, up and down the pitlane.
s off.Teppic said:
Derek Smith said:
rubystone said:
More then one other team saw the info too. Whether or not they used it...well who can say?....they of course, escaped censure.
The impression I've got from all what I've been told and, to a lesser extent, read is that Coughlan and Stepney were hawking the Ferrari data, and purportedly similar material from McLaren, up and down the pitlane.s off.AndStilliRise said:
Mclaren = certified cheaters.
At a higher level, F1 (and in fact any motorsport where money sloshes about) is all about gaining unfair advantages, reading the rulebook in creative ways until caught. Sharing information is a thing in F1. Whether it's setup data written down versus knowledge in someone's head when they move from team to team, the same information ultimately moves around.McLaren were chastised in a very public way; it doesn't even mean they were definitely cheating or indeed that they were or are alone in bending or breaking rules. All it means is that they were singled out.
The only people who went to an actual court of law were the engineers involved, and the case against Mike Coughlan was settled out of court.
VolvoT5 said:
I'm getting a bit irritated with all these f1 insiders and commentators hinting at the 'personal' element to this story but not having the balls to actually elaborate on it.
From an article on the BBC website: "There are stories buzzing around the F1 paddock about it, including one that many of those close to the situation believe to be true but which cannot be detailed here."Sounds a bit like there's a super injunction at play here?? Or somebody very important has all the motorsport journalists in his pocket.
mjb1 said:
VolvoT5 said:
I'm getting a bit irritated with all these f1 insiders and commentators hinting at the 'personal' element to this story but not having the balls to actually elaborate on it.
From an article on the BBC website: "There are stories buzzing around the F1 paddock about it, including one that many of those close to the situation believe to be true but which cannot be detailed here."Sounds a bit like there's a super injunction at play here?? Or somebody very important has all the motorsport journalists in his pocket.
Derek Smith said:
hairyben said:
If Ron Dennis starts afresh he'll be not only starting again but has to work to prove his position against his peers, and his resumes most recent additions dont exactly sell him.
Yeah, what's Ron Dennis ever done, eh? There's the road cars of course, that goes without saying I suppose. So apart from the road cars . . . oh! and the racing GTs, I'll give you that. OK, there's that fabulous hybrid. But apart from them . . .
Zak Brown has been announced as the new executive director of the McLaren Technology Group.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127214...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127214...
Teppic said:
Zak Brown has been announced as the new executive director of the McLaren Technology Group.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127214...
He's a mate of Ron's and brought Chandon to them...and bought a Mika F1 car too...perhaps he can persuade Ron to back down? Or maybe not?http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127214...
jsf said:
Zak is responsible for a lot of sponsorship deals in F1 so you should see a significant change in the sponsorship at McLaren.
He built JMI into what it is now. I can't see him essentially competing with it whilst he still runs it, so I assume he'll have to exit it if he really is going to have anything to do with the sponsorship side at McLaren. And if he does want to dip his fingers into that, what happens to Ekrem Sami?rubystone said:
jsf said:
Zak is responsible for a lot of sponsorship deals in F1 so you should see a significant change in the sponsorship at McLaren.
He built JMI into what it is now. I can't see him essentially competing with it whilst he still runs it, so I assume he'll have to exit it if he really is going to have anything to do with the sponsorship side at McLaren. And if he does want to dip his fingers into that, what happens to Ekrem Sami?MartG said:
Hmmmm
McLaren sacks Ron, Ron buys Manor, Honda supply Manor with much improved engine, Manor 2018 WCC
You heard it here first folks
Update to add.... Mercedes try to punish Hamilton for trying to win the WDC yesterday, Lewis tells them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine, sits out 2017, then hooks up with Ron & Manor ( & Jenson ? ) for 2018McLaren sacks Ron, Ron buys Manor, Honda supply Manor with much improved engine, Manor 2018 WCC
You heard it here first folks
MartG said:
MartG said:
Hmmmm
McLaren sacks Ron, Ron buys Manor, Honda supply Manor with much improved engine, Manor 2018 WCC
You heard it here first folks
Update to add.... Mercedes try to punish Hamilton for trying to win the WDC yesterday, Lewis tells them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine, sits out 2017, then hooks up with Ron & Manor ( & Jenson ? ) for 2018McLaren sacks Ron, Ron buys Manor, Honda supply Manor with much improved engine, Manor 2018 WCC
You heard it here first folks
GarageQueen said:
can anyone explain exactly what Zak Brown is doing? confused by the structure now.
As I understand it:He's basically in charge of finding new sponsorship, ideally a title sponsor.
Zak will likely be the "team principal" for PR things (eg. press conferences) until there's a new guy in charge of the whole racing operation, above both him and Jonathan Neale.
Jonathan Neale is on the same level in the organisation as Zak is, but Jonathan is in charge of the factory and race operations - engineering and whatnot. It's more or less already what he was doing.
Dont know how Zak Brown will do anything more than Ekrem Sami (CEO McLaren Marketing), who for the past three seasons has 'employed' Zak Brown to help find McLaren new Partners. It isn't the product ie F1, it has been McLaren offering nothing new, the price being too high and drivers who are just not global enough. 2017 will be even harder. I still think the owners want to sell off the F1 side quickly and concentrate on the areas of McLaren that can be floated on a stock exchange.
According to the internet (it must be true....) Ron was trying to find an investor to buy Mansour out but ran out of time, due to this he chose his own successor, Zak Brown.
What if he finds another investor in the off season, buys out Masour and then comes back to McLaren and works with Zak.
And while I'm at it wins the 2017 Championship and gives the middle finger to all his doubters at the final press conference.
What if he finds another investor in the off season, buys out Masour and then comes back to McLaren and works with Zak.
And while I'm at it wins the 2017 Championship and gives the middle finger to all his doubters at the final press conference.
belleair302 said:
Dont know how Zak Brown will do anything more than Ekrem Sami (CEO McLaren Marketing), who for the past three seasons has 'employed' Zak Brown to help find McLaren new Partners. It isn't the product ie F1, it has been McLaren offering nothing new, the price being too high and drivers who are just not global enough. 2017 will be even harder. I still think the owners want to sell off the F1 side quickly and concentrate on the areas of McLaren that can be floated on a stock exchange.
He was operating on Ron's inflated rate card then, as I understand it with no tolerance to lower to more realistic levels.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff