ways to make Formula 1 interesting again

[Adrian W]

Let's hope it rains in Brazil that always makes it interesring, ask JB

Edited by Adrian W on Monday 7th November 22:39

[George29]

HardtopManual said:

Aren't there problems with the aero winglets used on MotoGP bikes? I don't watch it all that often, but last time I did, some bikes (factory Ducatis?) were crashing as the front end washed out when the winglets were affected by the lead bike.

No. The only reason they're getting banned is to try and keep costs relatively sensible

[KevinCamaroSS]

George29 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Others will close the gap, as Red Bull has done this year, however, it is the regs that make it so difficult to effect an overtake on track. So much aero means you carry maximum speed to a point very close to the apex of each corner. This leaves no opportunity for the driver behind to 'outbrake' you or anything else. This means processional 'racing' with the bulk of the 'overtaking' being down to pit strategy.

For me this is a non-spectacle. To create a spectacle you need close racing with driver skill being the key to overtaking. As it is now (and probably worse next year) you cannot get close enough to the car in front because of the 'dirty' air. The only way to get rid of that problem is to reduce aero effect and have a more streamlined shape. So, single aerofoils front and rear, no other aero add-ons allowed. If this results in slower lap times that is fine. You may need to tweak F3, F3000 and similar to increase the gap in lap times between the formulae.

I'm well aware about the aero on current and next years cars. I agree I don't think it's going to help overtaking, especially with the cars getting wider, but it should be interesting to see them going round considerably quicker than now.

What is your evidence that single plane wings are less affected by dirty air? How do you define aero add ons too? I really don't understand why anyone would want to basically turn back the clock on 20 years worth of developments but each to their own.

I am not an aerodynamicist, my intention was to reduce and simplify the airflow. For a race you need overtaking, so, whatever has to be changed to allow the cars to drive close together is required.

[MartG]

KevinCamaroSS said:

I am not an aerodynamicist, my intention was to reduce and simplify the airflow. For a race you need overtaking, so, whatever has to be changed to allow the cars to drive close together is required.

No wings at all an 15cm ground clearance

[MissChief]

MartG said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

I am not an aerodynamicist, my intention was to reduce and simplify the airflow. For a race you need overtaking, so, whatever has to be changed to allow the cars to drive close together is required.

No wings at all an 15cm ground clearance

Because the tracks were little more than repurposed roads, complete with huge bumps and ripples so anything less than 15cm ground clearance would mean the bottom of the car, and your arse, getting ripped open.

[Eric Mc]

And what was wrong with that?

[MartG]

MissChief said:

MartG said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

I am not an aerodynamicist, my intention was to reduce and simplify the airflow. For a race you need overtaking, so, whatever has to be changed to allow the cars to drive close together is required.

No wings at all an 15cm ground clearance

Because the tracks were little more than repurposed roads, complete with huge bumps and ripples so anything less than 15cm ground clearance would mean the bottom of the car, and your arse, getting ripped open.

You mean suspension design which could be adapted to real world road use ?

[TheBishop]

Forget it.
Just go and watch endurance racing instead.
Speed,overtaking, close racing proper pitstops and at least as long as 3 GP's
Shame Audi have gone off washing machine racing - but others will come 😄

[oyster]

35 years after watching my first F1 race on TV I am still hooked and still get excited about the upcoming race. I still get extreme nervous excitement as the drivers do their parade/formation lap. I still enjoy watching and understanding every single lap of even the most processional races.

The only blots for me of late have been the safety car starts in light/moderate rain and the loss of ear-splitting noise from the engines.

[Adrian W]

oyster said:

35 years after watching my first F1 race on TV I am still hooked and still get excited about the upcoming race. I still get extreme nervous excitement as the drivers do their parade/formation lap. I still enjoy watching and understanding every single lap of even the most processional races.

The only blots for me of late have been the safety car starts in light/moderate rain and the loss of ear-splitting noise from the engines.

I enjoy qualifying, I enjoy the lead up to the race, everything about it, then the lights go out. and they go round (or over) the first two bends.......then its time to find something else to do.

[swisstoni]

I suppose there's only so much you can do
Would Le Mans be more punchy if it was the Le Mans 24 mins?

[Adrian W]

swisstoni said:

I suppose there's only so much you can do
Would Le Mans be more punchy if it was the Le Mans 24 mins?

Good point, maybe the two drivers should have to swap cars at the pit stop, that would cause chaos

[MartG]

As well as giving maybe 2 points for pole and one for 2nd fastest, motivate the less successful teams by offering a point for the fastest of the cars knocked out in Q1 and Q2, as well as a point for the highest finisher in the race from those cars

[KaraK]

MartG said:

As well as giving maybe 2 points for pole and one for 2nd fastest, motivate the less successful teams by offering a point for the fastest of the cars knocked out in Q1 and Q2, as well as a point for the highest finisher in the race from those cars

While I think I get what you're aiming for I don't think you've thought that one through, imagine the following over team radio:

Manor: Great job Pascal, you beat Nasr to 16th place. You got out of Q1 but he gets a point.
Wherlein: Sorry guys

So what you would end up with is people gaming the system and it would be a complete mess

[Adrian W]

Even the team principles are saying less rules and consistent application of them

[Adrian W]

After today, only have wet races

[hunter 66]

Or 20 Max Verstapens ...

[S0 What]

Adrian W said:

oyster said:

35 years after watching my first F1 race on TV I am still hooked and still get excited about the upcoming race. I still get extreme nervous excitement as the drivers do their parade/formation lap. I still enjoy watching and understanding every single lap of even the most processional races.

The only blots for me of late have been the safety car starts in light/moderate rain and the loss of ear-splitting noise from the engines.

I enjoy qualifying, I enjoy the lead up to the race, everything about it, then the lights go out. and they go round (or over) the first two bends.......then its time to find something else to do.

We've noticed, unfortunatly the something else you find to do is piss and moan on here.

[fatboy18]

hunter 66 said:

Or 20 Max Verstapens ...

How good was that! Brilliant, brilliant Driving. Best driver of the race as far as I'm concerned.

[williamp]

HardtopManual said:

Younger audiences don't expect to have to pay anything for content. They watch stuff on YouTube, on their phones. All the services they use on the internet are free - FaceBook, Twitter, Instagram, SnapChat, DropBox etc. It's all completely free (free as in beer).

This year the Indy 500 was streamed live over its own Youtube channel. I put up with the adverts (Dodge ram, etc etc) because the race itself, plus build up etc was free. Both Indy and NASCAR stream free to youtube. They have worked out that this bit can be free, as we all see the adverts.