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BJG1 said:
There hasn't been a worse WDC since James Hunt IMO. Jaques Villneuve maybe.
Nelson Piquet? He was really before my era but I've never heard anyone wax lyrical about him before, many of his team mates were very poor and he did worse against Patrase than Mansell did.In the best car he won three WDC, but Hunt never got that luxury afaik. Hunt also had a good rookie year in crap cars, I don't know what Piquets debut was like.
glazbagun said:
Nelson Piquet? He was really before my era but I've never heard anyone wax lyrical about him before, many of his team mates were very poor and he did worse against Patrase than Mansell did.
In the best car he won three WDC, but Hunt never got that luxury afaik. Hunt also had a good rookie year in crap cars, I don't know what Piquets debut was like.
Maybe the fans don't wax lyrical about Piquet, but I suggest that if you read or listen to the podcasts from his engineers and team management, they all do and very much so. In the best car he won three WDC, but Hunt never got that luxury afaik. Hunt also had a good rookie year in crap cars, I don't know what Piquets debut was like.
Nelson Piquet won three world championships in a highly technical era when driver involvement and feedback was paramount. The drivers of today just wouldn't have an idea of how much harder it was for drivers back then, imo. He got himself those three championships, that's for sure. It was no coincidence that he was often in the best car(s). A very, very smart guy.
http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=13
heebeegeetee said:
Maybe the fans don't wax lyrical about Piquet, but I suggest that if you read or listen to the podcasts from his engineers and team management, they all do and very much so.
Nelson Piquet won three world championships in a highly technical era when driver involvement and feedback was paramount. The drivers of today just wouldn't have an idea of how much harder it was for drivers back then, imo. He got himself those three championships, that's for sure. It was no coincidence that he was often in the best car(s). A very, very smart guy.
http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=13
Perhaps not all. Nelson Piquet won three world championships in a highly technical era when driver involvement and feedback was paramount. The drivers of today just wouldn't have an idea of how much harder it was for drivers back then, imo. He got himself those three championships, that's for sure. It was no coincidence that he was often in the best car(s). A very, very smart guy.
http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=13
I met an ex-Brabham mechanic who was quite critical of his commitment. He supported him 100% due to the relationship NP built up with them, taking time and making the effort to appear almost like one of the lads.
I was a fan of Brabham when NP drove for them and reckoned him to be one of the top two or three of any grid he was on. When I discovered the ex-mechanic at a party I cornered him. He was a wee bit tipsy and the problem wasn't to get him talking.
He reckoned that when trying for the WDC NP would demand all sorts of effort from the mechanics, willingly given, but the following season, with #1 on the nose, he'd poodle around, blaming the car for some reason, or the engine, maybe the set up, anything, he reckoned, to give himself an excuse. The mechanics would work hard to try and find the problem that wasn't there.
The next season, he'd put a bit of effort in.
He was certainly one of the best drivers I've ever seen but things had to be going his way. Up against a driver who didn't pull his forelock he would throw a strop.
I think NP's ability was shown when he drove for Benetton for points; the more he scored, the more he got. He was running a dirty great (100m?) yacht and they don't come cheap. Plus he had two 'wives'.
The chap's stories were fascinating and I more or less ignored the criticisms of NP but later I checked out the results. Not as far fetched as it first appeared.
A smart bloke of course, but with a nasty side to him as well.
But who knows? A bitter mechanic? He certainly felt let down; he could't fake the emotions.
GCH said:
tommunster10 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Mods, can we not have an 'ignore' button, so we can just select to ignore those posters who are bloody boring and who can't be civil?
Translation: "MODS, mate, could you ban the people who disagree with my point of view please..cheers, mate, sir..cheers, thanks..."Nice.
With my age i only remember Hunt as a commentator whom i found incredibly bitter and extremely critical of the drivers of the day and the sport.
He was a drunken mess of a man and if you think its cool to drink yourself to death (not to mention race with hangovers and punch marshalls) then he's a wonderful role model, but there's plenty of blokes like Hunt in hostels up and down the UK and i'm not sure they get any respect for their life choices...
tommunster10 said:
Yep well that's the Farage / brexit effect at play, tell the foreigners to eff off.
Nice.
With my age i only remember Hunt as a commentator whom i found incredibly bitter and extremely critical of the drivers of the day and the sport.
He was a drunken mess of a man and if you think its cool to drink yourself to death (not to mention race with hangovers and punch marshalls) then he's a wonderful role model, but there's plenty of blokes like Hunt in hostels up and down the UK and i'm not sure they get any respect for their life choices...
Yeah well Hitler was Teetotal and look where it got him.Nice.
With my age i only remember Hunt as a commentator whom i found incredibly bitter and extremely critical of the drivers of the day and the sport.
He was a drunken mess of a man and if you think its cool to drink yourself to death (not to mention race with hangovers and punch marshalls) then he's a wonderful role model, but there's plenty of blokes like Hunt in hostels up and down the UK and i'm not sure they get any respect for their life choices...
tommunster10 said:
GCH said:
tommunster10 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Mods, can we not have an 'ignore' button, so we can just select to ignore those posters who are bloody boring and who can't be civil?
Translation: "MODS, mate, could you ban the people who disagree with my point of view please..cheers, mate, sir..cheers, thanks..."Nice.
With my age i only remember Hunt as a commentator whom i found incredibly bitter and extremely critical of the drivers of the day and the sport.
He was a drunken mess of a man and if you think its cool to drink yourself to death (not to mention race with hangovers and punch marshalls) then he's a wonderful role model, but there's plenty of blokes like Hunt in hostels up and down the UK and i'm not sure they get any respect for their life choices...
There was no need to tell us that you didn't know anything about Hunt as a driver.
Derek Smith said:
What was it about GCH's post that you didn't understand?
There was no need to tell us that you didn't know anything about Hunt as a driver.
It's also clear his knowledge of Hunt has been gained from what he's read in the sensationalist press. How I wish George Donaldson was a regular on PH....There was no need to tell us that you didn't know anything about Hunt as a driver.
Why they don't go back to the old system of best 11 results out of 16, it should rule out car problems, guessing it would be 16 out of 21 these days but same principle. Its fairly plain to see that if they had both finished all races Hamilton would be champion, perhaps make every race count for the team championship.
I think reliability should play a part in the championship from a constructors point of view.
After seeing some DrZ stats a while back I've been thinking why not scrap points all together - instead the ranking is done on average finishing position over the year - that way there is incentive to fight for every position.
After seeing some DrZ stats a while back I've been thinking why not scrap points all together - instead the ranking is done on average finishing position over the year - that way there is incentive to fight for every position.
The devil said:
Why they don't go back to the old system of best 11 results out of 16, it should rule out car problems, guessing it would be 16 out of 21 these days but same principle. Its fairly plain to see that if they had both finished all races Hamilton would be champion, perhaps make every race count for the team championship.
Because it's a stupid system which robbed Mansell of at least one deserved title?Trabi601 said:
The devil said:
Why they don't go back to the old system of best 11 results out of 16, it should rule out car problems, guessing it would be 16 out of 21 these days but same principle. Its fairly plain to see that if they had both finished all races Hamilton would be champion, perhaps make every race count for the team championship.
Because it's a stupid system which robbed Mansell of at least one deserved title?Imagine golf being based on the best 14 holes?
Or a football team having those 6-0 drubbings scratched from the league table?
Sport is about consistency AND ability. And an indelible part of the sport of F1 is the machines.
rubystone said:
I had a suspicion your first language wasn't English. And now I know your nationality, I understand why you are biased against Hamilton.
Finally, your rudeness suggests to me you hail from Bavaria. Am I correct?
The use of the superlative 'eh' was simply because I couldn't understand your post; the sentence construction was so poor. But you're now forgiven, based on the fact you're German. But your constant anti-Hamilton posting/baiting adds nothing to these threads and Pistonheads F1 forum would be a far better place without you.
You think.Finally, your rudeness suggests to me you hail from Bavaria. Am I correct?
The use of the superlative 'eh' was simply because I couldn't understand your post; the sentence construction was so poor. But you're now forgiven, based on the fact you're German. But your constant anti-Hamilton posting/baiting adds nothing to these threads and Pistonheads F1 forum would be a far better place without you.
You don't speak for all of the forum. IMO everyone is welcome, no matter who they are and aren't fans of.
oyster said:
And it's ridiculous in sport. I remember Senna winning in 1988 despite Prost actually accruing more points. Senna's slam into the wall in Monaco actually got wiped from the results table because of the best 11 rule. It's mad to think that errors can be wiped off the scorecard.
Imagine golf being based on the best 14 holes?
Or a football team having those 6-0 drubbings scratched from the league table?
Sport is about consistency AND ability. And an indelible part of the sport of F1 is the machines.
Ideas get brought up and dismissed on how well they favour an individual's favourites. You can guarantee if such a ruling had benefitted Rosberg it probably wouldn't raise a peep on here. Imagine golf being based on the best 14 holes?
Or a football team having those 6-0 drubbings scratched from the league table?
Sport is about consistency AND ability. And an indelible part of the sport of F1 is the machines.
Its just how it is
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