The Official 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Hungrymc]

LDN said:

This.

These people accusing others of fanboyism are as bad or worse; but they're blind to it.

They use the "fanboy" term, which is childish in itself. While complaining Lewis is childish / immature.
And complain that it irritates them that Lewis fans don't understand why the dislike of Lewis is valid (while failing to grasp why a like of Lewis could be valid).

It's some sort of irony squared. I can't compute it.

[JNW1]

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

I'm actually very much a fan of Hamilton the racer and have said several times on this thread that I think the criticism of the way he drove on Sunday was unfair and unjustified. I also think there's little doubt he's both quicker and a better racer than Rosberg but IMO that shouldn't detract from Nico's world title; yes it was won more through consistency than pure speed but he isn't the first driver to win a championship that way and he probably won't be the last.

Any criticism of Hamilton from my perspective relates more to his attitude out of the car rather than what he does in it; at times he just comes across as a bit sulky and petulant and he's seldom missed an opportunity to play a few mind games on his team mate over the last 3 years. For me it all adds-up to a personality that I struggle to warm to but that in no way detracts from my huge respect for him as a driver - in many respects very similar to how I used to feel about Nigel Mansell when he was racing....

[Wills2]

glazbagun said:

Wills2 said:

GCH said:

Wills2 said:

I love all the off track antics in F1, I'd like more I really do think some posters need to lighten up, throwing a cap at someone? Jesus Christ it's nothing!

We need more of this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4PFEE8C3o

It means everything to them or it should....

To be fair, his actions were entirely understandable.
Coulthard was being lapped, but lifted off while still on the racing line, with the usual basically zero visibility due to the spray for Schumacher.
Quite stupid really.

This was also after causing the initial pile up at the first start too

Great entertainment, it's all too dumbed down and controlled these days...

Couldn't help but think of this when Coulthard was disapproving of Vettel calling Verstappen names :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhDQ5LVeL8

Love it!

I don't want a dumbed down F1 (like we have) It's always been the mad, bad pinnacle of motorsport with egos and dramas to match.

Less of the plastic smiles more of the finger I say!

[LDN]

JNW1 said:

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

I'm actually very much a fan of Hamilton the racer and have said several times on this thread that I think the criticism of the way he drove on Sunday was unfair and unjustified. I also think there's little doubt he's both quicker and a better racer than Rosberg but IMO that shouldn't detract from Nico's world title; yes it was won more through consistency than pure speed but he isn't the first driver to win a championship that way and he probably won't be the last.

Any criticism of Hamilton from my perspective relates more to his attitude out of the car rather than what he does in it; at times he just comes across as a bit sulky and petulant and he's seldom missed an opportunity to play a few mind games on his team mate over the last 3 years. For me it all adds-up to a personality that I struggle to warm to but that in no way detracts from my huge respect for him as a driver - in many respects very similar to how I used to feel about Nigel Mansell when he was racing....

Ok. So what? You wouldn't go for a meal with him... who cares? Not me, that's for sure.

Conversation should be on the driving IMO. You never see supposed 'fanboys' saying out the blue, 'I like his driving but wow; that gold chain, love it!' - it's the anti fanboys who bring up THE most stupid stuff and then proceed to drag everyone else down to their level.

The blinkers are on and nobody is home.

[coetzeeh]

NRS said:

coetzeeh said:

LDN said:

coetzeeh said:

You've conveniently glossed over the fact that Ron was openly biased and doing his level best to help LH win against Alonso - without team principal support a driver has no chance.

Of course he was; why pay the best driver on the grid a handsome sum if you're not then going to sabotage his season. Ok dear. Could have gotten a lesser driver in and not bothered but it's more fun to waste all of that money and resource.

If teams will do this - why is there such dismay at any suggestion that Mercedes favoured Rosberg this year, out of interest? I don't think that's what happened; I'm just enquiring

So you agree Alonso was seriously disadvantaged and yet equalled LH on points - it reinforces Alonso's amazing achievement under the circumstances.

No, he's making a point that a number of posters have said it's complete nonsense that Mercedes would pay a driver a huge amount of money and then prioritise the other driver just because of their nationality or something else. And yet one of those posters basically says apparently it did happen in another team! From memory LDN is not one to go for the Merc conspiracy theory (I haven't either, although I do believe maybe one or more of the mechanics may make more mistakes in the "never won a WDC" side of the garage). However deadslow has been one to "rubbish" it this season, so it's very amusing it's ok one way but not the other? I think the words double standards may apply?

OK, here's me thinking the quote was about Alonso and Hamilton in 2007.

[coetzeeh]

NRS said:

Riptide171 said:

LDN said:

Hamilton was asked by SKY about the cap incident...


Anyway, I'm getting dragged to the gutter with this back and forth; discussing driver personalities. Is Lewis who I'd choose to have a drink with down my local pub; no, he isn't... is he a talent that, on track, is great to watch; yes he is. Do some 'fans' get a little too into the off track antics; I'm afraid they do.

I get that you don't want to get dragged into it all but you don't seem to be able to see how other people see Lewis. That's the odd thing for me. Your too busy fanboying over there to see the attitude that seems to have snuck up on him this year. I don't care whether the cap incident was innocent or not the way it was done was to antagonise even if you can't see that. I might be the only one here but I don't find anything Mercedes do remotely interesting or exciting and that includes Rosberg. They're so far ahead of the other teams right now that it's a procession for 1st and 2nd. I'm far more excited about Vettel, Raikkonen, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Perez, Bottas fighting it out in a much more competitive are of the field. I'd like to see all the cars on much more of a level to see how the drivers stack then. There's no doubt they're all talented but in a much more even field I think it would be a whole different story.

The thing is it goes both ways. There are some stupid comments on here from Hamilton fans who can't see anything wrong with him ever. But many of the comments related to Hamilton by those "against" him are equally as silly. Just take the whole "conspiracy theory is stupid from some here", to earlier today saying there was one when Hamilton was at Maclaren. Surely the same reasons for/ against apply to both situations? Or just look at Button and Alonso - huge amounts of whining at first and if it was Hamilton then those against him would be picking up on it. However once their expectations get in line with the car they calm down. The additional thing for Hamilton is that he is fighting for the title, so feelings are amplified. Just look at the reactions from the always smiling Ricciardo when he felt the team let him down this season. He basically accused them of deliberately screwing him. Imagine the reaction from some here if it was Hamilton... or rather you don't need to, we have seen situations where that has happened here.

Basically all the drivers are similar when it comes down to it. Some are better at covering it with a polite public face, but put them in a competitive situation where it matters for winning and you soon see their competitive nature.

I think you are referring to my post regarding Hamilton and Alonso in 2007 - it is not a conspiracy theory - Ron Dennis made the statements on live television. It does not get any clearer than that.

[velocgee]

I'm a Hamilton 'fanboy' if that's what you want to call it. I admire his racing, racecraft, etc. he is my complete F1 driver. I can appreciate the crap him and he dad went through to get him where he is. For that they have my full admiration.

But he wouldn't be the 1st of the F1drivers I'd call to have a drink down my local (not even 2nd...) I would choose Vettel.

This is nothing to do with his flipping earrings or the chains or tats (Jeez, frigging bores).

So let's try and separate perceived image and ability. It is dim witted to meld the two.

Anyhow, deeply suspicious of Merc in particular Toto. That Express newspaper article summed up it perfectly.

Thread is going round in circles. Let's all stop being master debaters and move on.

Btw 2 gorgeous ladies at the bar of my local. no wingman-on my tod. should I tackle this? Very likely to crash and burn....spectacularly...right lads, about to go in...wish me...lu

[vonuber]

Wills2 said:

I love all the off track antics in F1, I'd like more I really do think some posters need to lighten up, throwing a cap at someone? Jesus Christ it's nothing!

We need more of this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4PFEE8C3o

It means everything to them or it should....

I also love the way he stays ahead of him on 3 wheels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjTGXC5zXjY

Great cars.
Great tracks.
Great engines.
Great drivers.
Great passion.

Great days

[perdu]

velocgee said:

I'm a Hamilton 'fanboy' if that's what you want to call it. I admire his racing, racecraft, etc. he is my complete F1 driver. I can appreciate the crap him and he dad went through to get him where he is. For that they have my full admiration.

But he wouldn't be the 1st of the F1drivers I'd call to have a drink down my local (not even 2nd...) I would choose Vettel.

This is nothing to do with his flipping earrings or the chains or tats (Jeez, frigging bores).

So let's try and separate perceived image and ability. It is dim witted to meld the two.

Anyhow, deeply suspicious of Merc in particular Toto. That Express newspaper article summed up it perfectly.

Thread is going round in circles. Let's all stop being master debaters and move on.

Btw 2 gorgeous ladies at the bar of my local. no wingman-on my tod. should I tackle this? Very likely to crash and burn....spectacularly...right lads, about to go in...wish me...lu

Wish wished Hope you didn't get singed

[Sylvaforever]

Awesome tweet from .LH tonight, him and nico sorting it out.

[JNW1]

LDN said:

JNW1 said:

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

I'm actually very much a fan of Hamilton the racer and have said several times on this thread that I think the criticism of the way he drove on Sunday was unfair and unjustified. I also think there's little doubt he's both quicker and a better racer than Rosberg but IMO that shouldn't detract from Nico's world title; yes it was won more through consistency than pure speed but he isn't the first driver to win a championship that way and he probably won't be the last.

Any criticism of Hamilton from my perspective relates more to his attitude out of the car rather than what he does in it; at times he just comes across as a bit sulky and petulant and he's seldom missed an opportunity to play a few mind games on his team mate over the last 3 years. For me it all adds-up to a personality that I struggle to warm to but that in no way detracts from my huge respect for him as a driver - in many respects very similar to how I used to feel about Nigel Mansell when he was racing....

Ok. So what? You wouldn't go for a meal with him... who cares? Not me, that's for sure.

Conversation should be on the driving IMO. You never see supposed 'fanboys' saying out the blue, 'I like his driving but wow; that gold chain, love it!' - it's the anti fanboys who bring up THE most stupid stuff and then proceed to drag everyone else down to their level.

The blinkers are on and nobody is home.

The point I was trying to make was just because people may not like aspects of the way Hamilton conducts himself out of the car doesn't automatically mean they're "haters" and can't see any good in him. On balance I think he's been a massive positive for F1 but it is possible to be both a world champion and a class act out of the car, JYS and JB being two fellow Brits who managed the feat to name but two. Of course the driving is the most important thing but like it or not top sportsmen and women are also media stars and role models and hence to some extent the way they're judged is also influenced by how they behave generally and not just by their achievements at "work"; arguably that's not right or fair but it's the way it is.

I do think your reference to blinkers is actually quite ironic as judging by your posts you seem to have more experience of wearing them than most. And as for the comment about being dragged down to the level of others, you appear to think Corrie is a benchmark for drama so don't worry, you haven't got much further to fall!

[p1stonhead]

Nice to see. Presumably the raw emotion has now worn off a bit

https://twitter.com/lewishamilton/status/804051998...

[Lincsblokey]

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

Nope, way beyond Trump levels here.

This is pure Rossi-esque fanboi behaviour, Its so similar to Rossi's fans attitude towards Marquez, Lorenzo or stoner its unreal.

Rossi says or does something, no matter what, its fine, anyone says anything that they dont like, tis evil of the highest order, they say anything positive about anyone, its ignored and largely dismissed.

IMHO, Lewis did nothing wrong, forget any possible scenarios about who the team 'wanted' to win, the constructors race was aready wrapped up, and the race for the wdc was realistically between 2 drivers, LH knew this and used fair game tactics to get others involved.

Its nothing that any other of those drivers wouldnt have done.

[monamimate]

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

A fairly cursory look at his Twitter feed makes it pretty clear that this is a managed channel (the product endorsements alone are a big clue).

Nonetheless, that post is still appreciated, as I imagine that LH has some (major) say in what appears in his name. It sends out a positive vibe that's difficult to feel bad about.

[swisstoni]

monamimate said:

37chevy said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Or that it's probably someone from his social media team or management that posted it up on his behalf

Right so when lewis posts something people don't like on Facebook or twitter it's him being tt, if it's something nice then it's his soial media team....the guy can't fking win with you lot....

...the anti Hamilton brigade in this place is worse than any fanboy any day.....you all remind me of trump supporters, completely deluded

A fairly cursory look at his Twitter feed makes it pretty clear that this is a managed channel (the product endorsements alone are a big clue).

Nonetheless, that post is still appreciated, as I imagine that LH has some (major) say in what appears in his name. It sends out a positive vibe that's difficult to feel bad about.

Those old photos were interesting. I think Nico and Lewis will be friends after they pack up. But it's impossible (even a waste of energy) to try and maintain it when you are battling with the one bloke between you and a WDC.
The best you can do is try and keep it civil outside the car, which they seem to do.

I really want LH to surpass at least Vettel in terms of WDCs won, but I see NR walking around as F1 WDC 2016 and I think, 'why not?'. He's driven well for years and it's finally come his way.

[Hungrymc]

monamimate said:

A fairly cursory look at his Twitter feed makes it pretty clear that this is a managed channel (the product endorsements alone are a big clue).

Nonetheless, that post is still appreciated, as I imagine that LH has some (major) say in what appears in his name. It sends out a positive vibe that's difficult to feel bad about.

Oh no it isn't. You've already seen the accusation that it's false and therefore just Lewis being manipulative. Which I think is bks.

I've an idea..... I'm serious :

Two threads each race weekend. One to talk about the driving and tactics and performance etc.
And one to talk about who has the nicest hair and who has the worst taste in music etc.

I should have said, obviously the second one can be on mumsnet or somewhere.

[monamimate]

Hungrymc said:

monamimate said:

A fairly cursory look at his Twitter feed makes it pretty clear that this is a managed channel (the product endorsements alone are a big clue).

Nonetheless, that post is still appreciated, as I imagine that LH has some (major) say in what appears in his name. It sends out a positive vibe that's difficult to feel bad about.

Oh no it isn't. You've already seen the accusation that it's false and therefore just Lewis being manipulative. Which I think is bks.

I've an idea..... I'm serious :

Two threads each race weekend. One to talk about the driving and tactics and performance etc.
And one to talk about who has the nicest hair and who has the worst taste in music etc.

I should have said, obviously the second one can be on mumsnet or somewhere.

Where did I suggest that it was false? I think you might need to learn a little more about managing social media before getting your knickers in such a twist... maybe mumsnet is indeed the place for you?

[LDN]

JNW1 said:

The point I was trying to make was just because people may not like aspects of the way Hamilton conducts himself out of the car doesn't automatically mean they're "haters" and can't see any good in him. On balance I think he's been a massive positive for F1 but it is possible to be both a world champion and a class act out of the car, JYS and JB being two fellow Brits who managed the feat to name but two. Of course the driving is the most important thing but like it or not top sportsmen and women are also media stars and role models and hence to some extent the way they're judged is also influenced by how they behave generally and not just by their achievements at "work"; arguably that's not right or fair but it's the way it is.

I do think your reference to blinkers is actually quite ironic as judging by your posts you seem to have more experience of wearing them than most. And as for the comment about being dragged down to the level of others, you appear to think Corrie is a benchmark for drama so don't worry, you haven't got much further to fall!

I'm afraid this is just an inane ramble of some sort. Like white noise.

All I can get from it is that you're saying Hamilton is a poor WDC and that JB is a class act? I'd love for you to really break this down with some actual facts; genuinely... can't see how JB is a classier WDC than Hamilton to be honest; happy to hear your insight...

Again, your blinkers are on; mine aren't. An actual example; someone here has said he's a poor WDC because he doesn't reside in the UK and pay his taxes here... when none of them do, including JB. The blinkers are on, and nobody is home! The 'haters', as you put it, side, almost exclusively spouts rubbish and refers to things that are applicable to the whole damn grid. But you're blind to it. Give us some insight; some facts; it'd be interesting to see the actual reasons for your stance; other than just another inane ramble, to add to the scrap heap. To make it easy for you; you're task, should you choose to accept it... is to break down why JB, for one, is a classier WDC than Hamilton; I'm not saying he is or isn't; just want some actual chat here

[JNW1]

LDN said:

JNW1 said:

The point I was trying to make was just because people may not like aspects of the way Hamilton conducts himself out of the car doesn't automatically mean they're "haters" and can't see any good in him. On balance I think he's been a massive positive for F1 but it is possible to be both a world champion and a class act out of the car, JYS and JB being two fellow Brits who managed the feat to name but two. Of course the driving is the most important thing but like it or not top sportsmen and women are also media stars and role models and hence to some extent the way they're judged is also influenced by how they behave generally and not just by their achievements at "work"; arguably that's not right or fair but it's the way it is.

I do think your reference to blinkers is actually quite ironic as judging by your posts you seem to have more experience of wearing them than most. And as for the comment about being dragged down to the level of others, you appear to think Corrie is a benchmark for drama so don't worry, you haven't got much further to fall!

I'm afraid this is just an inane ramble of some sort. Like white noise.

All I can get from it is that you're saying Hamilton is a poor WDC and that JB is a class act? I'd love for you to really break this down with some actual facts; genuinely... can't see how JB is a classier WDC than Hamilton to be honest; happy to hear your insight...

Again, your blinkers are on; mine aren't. An actual example; someone here has said he's a poor WDC because he doesn't reside in the UK and pay his taxes here... when none of them do, including JB. The blinkers are on, and nobody is home! The 'haters', as you put it, side, almost exclusively spouts rubbish and refers to things that are applicable to the whole damn grid. But you're blind to it. Give us some insight; some facts; it'd be interesting to see the actual reasons for your stance; other than just another inane ramble, to add to the scrap heap. To make it easy for you; you're task, should you choose to accept it... is to break down why JB, for one, is a classier WDC than Hamilton; I'm not saying he is or isn't; just want some actual chat here

I've never said I consider Lewis Hamilton to be a poor WDC and I think his talent on the track has been hugely positive for F1. On balance I'm actually a fan but personally I just don't like the occasional sulks and toys out of the pram moments; in his time in F1 he's generally been in a relatively competitive car but still we get some moans and groans about things like reliability, team tactics during races, etc. Some of that may well be justified but personally I think those sort of conversations are better had behind closed doors and not in the media; I also dread to think how he'd have handled the sort of situation McLaren have been experiencing for the last two seasons and that's where I'd draw a contrast with the way Button has behaved over that time. Classy may not be quite there right word to describe it but for me Button exhibits a level of professionalism that Hamilton sometimes lacks and he certainly comes across as more of a team player and less of a blame merchant when things go wrong; he also gave Lewis a pretty good run for his money when they were team-mates in the same car although I'd concede Hamilton was generally the quicker of the two.

So I don't think I've got any blinkers on at all. I'm accepting readily that Hamilton is an outstanding driver - for me the best on the grid at the moment - and have said several times on this thread that I thought he did the right thing in Abu Dhabi and that Mercedes were wrong to try to interfere in the way they did. However, just because he's very talented behind the wheel doesn't mean I'm not aware of some of his shortcomings whereas you (with your blinkers on?) seem completely oblivious to them.

You will no doubt dismiss the above as another "inane ramble" but hopefully you get the gist. Incidentally, it should have been "your task" rather than "you're task" in your post above - wouldn't want the level to be dragged down now would we!

[LDN]

JNW1 said:

LDN said:

JNW1 said:

The point I was trying to make was just because people may not like aspects of the way Hamilton conducts himself out of the car doesn't automatically mean they're "haters" and can't see any good in him. On balance I think he's been a massive positive for F1 but it is possible to be both a world champion and a class act out of the car, JYS and JB being two fellow Brits who managed the feat to name but two. Of course the driving is the most important thing but like it or not top sportsmen and women are also media stars and role models and hence to some extent the way they're judged is also influenced by how they behave generally and not just by their achievements at "work"; arguably that's not right or fair but it's the way it is.

I do think your reference to blinkers is actually quite ironic as judging by your posts you seem to have more experience of wearing them than most. And as for the comment about being dragged down to the level of others, you appear to think Corrie is a benchmark for drama so don't worry, you haven't got much further to fall!

I'm afraid this is just an inane ramble of some sort. Like white noise.

All I can get from it is that you're saying Hamilton is a poor WDC and that JB is a class act? I'd love for you to really break this down with some actual facts; genuinely... can't see how JB is a classier WDC than Hamilton to be honest; happy to hear your insight...

Again, your blinkers are on; mine aren't. An actual example; someone here has said he's a poor WDC because he doesn't reside in the UK and pay his taxes here... when none of them do, including JB. The blinkers are on, and nobody is home! The 'haters', as you put it, side, almost exclusively spouts rubbish and refers to things that are applicable to the whole damn grid. But you're blind to it. Give us some insight; some facts; it'd be interesting to see the actual reasons for your stance; other than just another inane ramble, to add to the scrap heap. To make it easy for you; you're task, should you choose to accept it... is to break down why JB, for one, is a classier WDC than Hamilton; I'm not saying he is or isn't; just want some actual chat here

I've never said I consider Lewis Hamilton to be a poor WDC and I think his talent on the track has been hugely positive for F1. On balance I'm actually a fan but personally I just don't like the occasional sulks and toys out of the pram moments; in his time in F1 he's generally been in a relatively competitive car but still we get some moans and groans about things like reliability, team tactics during races, etc. Some of that may well be justified but personally I think those sort of conversations are better had behind closed doors and not in the media; I also dread to think how he'd have handled the sort of situation McLaren have been experiencing for the last two seasons and that's where I'd draw a contrast with the way Button has behaved over that time. Classy may not be quite there right word to describe it but for me Button exhibits a level of professionalism that Hamilton sometimes lacks and he certainly comes across as more of a team player and less of a blame merchant when things go wrong; he also gave Lewis a pretty good run for his money when they were team-mates in the same car although I'd concede Hamilton was generally the quicker of the two.

So I don't think I've got any blinkers on at all. I'm accepting readily that Hamilton is an outstanding driver - for me the best on the grid at the moment - and have said several times on this thread that I thought he did the right thing in Abu Dhabi and that Mercedes were wrong to try to interfere in the way they did. However, just because he's very talented behind the wheel doesn't mean I'm not aware of some of his shortcomings whereas you (with your blinkers on?) seem completely oblivious to them.

You will no doubt dismiss the above as another "inane ramble" but hopefully you get the gist. Incidentally, it should have been "your task" rather than "you're task" in your post above - wouldn't want the level to be dragged down now would we!

My phone spelt 'your' that way in that instance; go back over all of my posts and you'll see my grammar is rather good it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.

I get the gist of what your saying and if, upon review of their comparative careers, you see it that way; fair enough. But are you talking about the same JB - that often says over the radio 'cmon guys, this is a joke' , 'cmon guys, the car is (this or that)'. For the record, I don't blame JB for his, quite public, rants - but again; I think you have blinkers on; JB has expressed his frustration PLENTY of times. Again, I don't blame him one bit - just pointing out that, on evidence alone, your point is a little (read 'very') shaky.

I'm no fanboy; I'm not saying Lewis is the 'best' loser out there. I'm saying he's no better or worse - but people, including you, claim he's a very bad loser and a sulker... which I just don't get, when you have Vettel literally screaming down the radio about Max passing him; and when coming up to back markers; shouting 'are you serious' at them all... but Hamilton is the poor loser? I stand by my point; he's no better or worse than anyone else out there. As much as you - and others - would claim otherwise. Facts overrule opinion in this instance, I would say.