The Official 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
JNW1 said:
I also dread to think how Hamilton would have handled the sort of situation McLaren have been experiencing for the last two seasons and that's where I'd draw a contrast with the way Button has behaved over that time. Classy may not be quite there right word to describe it but for me Button exhibits a level of professionalism that Hamilton sometimes lacks and he certainly comes across as more of a team player and less of a blame merchant when things go wrong; he also gave Lewis a pretty good run for his money when they were team-mates in the same car although I'd concede Hamilton was generally the quicker of the two.
I share your opinion on Hamilton and Button generally speaking, but IMO this season is a terrible example to back up your point. Button, in the face of an unglorified retirement, has constantly made witheringly sarcastic and snide remarks to the team over the radio and has time and time again bookended his post qually / race interviews with some comment about how he has done well despite the car etc etc.HustleRussell said:
JNW1 said:
I also dread to think how Hamilton would have handled the sort of situation McLaren have been experiencing for the last two seasons and that's where I'd draw a contrast with the way Button has behaved over that time. Classy may not be quite there right word to describe it but for me Button exhibits a level of professionalism that Hamilton sometimes lacks and he certainly comes across as more of a team player and less of a blame merchant when things go wrong; he also gave Lewis a pretty good run for his money when they were team-mates in the same car although I'd concede Hamilton was generally the quicker of the two.
I share your opinion on Hamilton and Button generally speaking, but IMO this season is a terrible example to back up your point. Button, in the face of an unglorified retirement, has constantly made witheringly sarcastic and snide remarks to the team over the radio and has time and time again bookended his post qually / race interviews with some comment about how he has done well despite the car etc etc.LDN said:
HustleRussell said:
I share your opinion on Hamilton and Button generally speaking, but IMO this season is a terrible example to back up your point. Button, in the face of an unglorified retirement, has constantly made witheringly sarcastic and snide remarks to the team over the radio and has time and time again bookended his post qually / race interviews with some comment about how he has done well despite the car etc etc.
"I'm really struggling with the balance of this 675LT, it is much worse than it was this morning... the engine is down on power compared to our competitors and it really uses rather a lot of fuel... What do you think Fernando?"
"Embarrassing. GP2 engine. Can I box to save kilometres on the power unit please?"
LDN said:
My phone spelt 'your' that way in that instance; go back over all of my posts and you'll see my grammar is rather good 
it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.
I get the gist of what your saying and if, upon review of their comparative careers, you see it that way; fair enough. But are you talking about the same JB - that often says over the radio 'cmon guys, this is a joke' , 'cmon guys, the car is (this or that)'. For the record, I don't blame JB for his, quite public, rants - but again; I think you have blinkers on; JB has expressed his frustration PLENTY of times. Again, I don't blame him one bit - just pointing out that, on evidence alone, your point is a little (read 'very') shaky.
I'm no fanboy; I'm not saying Lewis is the 'best' loser out there. I'm saying he's no better or worse - but people, including you, claim he's a very bad loser and a sulker... which I just don't get, when you have Vettel literally screaming down the radio about Max passing him; and when coming up to back markers; shouting 'are you serious' at them all... but Hamilton is the poor loser? I stand by my point; he's no better or worse than anyone else out there. As much as you - and others - would claim otherwise. Facts overrule opinion in this instance, I would say.
Being realistic it's in the nature of a racing driver to be competitive and frankly if they weren't they wouldn't have made it to F1; therefore, of course they all express frustration from time to time as they want to win and hate it when something prevents them from doing so. I'm not saying JB hasn't complained on occasion - of course he has - but I think LH is quicker to do it and also tends to labour the point for longer rather than confining it just to the heat of the moment. I also think he'd have been far less tolerant of the situation at McLaren than Button (and Alonso) have been; I think everyone has known the frustration those drivers must have felt over the last two years but generally they've managed to keep a lid on it and tow the team line when the temptation must have been to vent their feelings to the media. Would Lewis have been as diplomatic in public for so long? Maybe but somehow I doubt it! it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.I get the gist of what your saying and if, upon review of their comparative careers, you see it that way; fair enough. But are you talking about the same JB - that often says over the radio 'cmon guys, this is a joke' , 'cmon guys, the car is (this or that)'. For the record, I don't blame JB for his, quite public, rants - but again; I think you have blinkers on; JB has expressed his frustration PLENTY of times. Again, I don't blame him one bit - just pointing out that, on evidence alone, your point is a little (read 'very') shaky.
I'm no fanboy; I'm not saying Lewis is the 'best' loser out there. I'm saying he's no better or worse - but people, including you, claim he's a very bad loser and a sulker... which I just don't get, when you have Vettel literally screaming down the radio about Max passing him; and when coming up to back markers; shouting 'are you serious' at them all... but Hamilton is the poor loser? I stand by my point; he's no better or worse than anyone else out there. As much as you - and others - would claim otherwise. Facts overrule opinion in this instance, I would say.
I don't actually think that Lewis is generally a "very bad loser" and I'm not sure why you've drawn that conclusion from my previous posts. However, I do think that at times he carries a bit of unnecessary attitude and would come across so much better if he didn't; for example, I can't recall any other top driver behaving the way he did at the Japanese GP press briefing and it all seemed a bit spooling for a fight and rebel without a cause to me.
Given a competitive car I'm sure Hamilton will be capable of beating anyone next year and I for one will be happy if he does; I just wish he'd appreciate his glass is 80% full rather than (sometimes) concentrating on the bit that's 20% empty!
LDN said:
My phone spelt 'your' that way in that instance; go back over all of my posts and you'll see my grammar is rather good it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.
I get the gist of what your saying and ...
[ahem] You really need to sort your phone out it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.I get the gist of what your saying and ...
HustleRussell said:
JNW1 said:
I also dread to think how Hamilton would have handled the sort of situation McLaren have been experiencing for the last two seasons and that's where I'd draw a contrast with the way Button has behaved over that time. Classy may not be quite there right word to describe it but for me Button exhibits a level of professionalism that Hamilton sometimes lacks and he certainly comes across as more of a team player and less of a blame merchant when things go wrong; he also gave Lewis a pretty good run for his money when they were team-mates in the same car although I'd concede Hamilton was generally the quicker of the two.
I share your opinion on Hamilton and Button generally speaking, but IMO this season is a terrible example to back up your point. Button, in the face of an unglorified retirement, has constantly made witheringly sarcastic and snide remarks to the team over the radio and has time and time again bookended his post qually / race interviews with some comment about how he has done well despite the car etc etc.JNW1 said:
LDN said:
My phone spelt 'your' that way in that instance; go back over all of my posts and you'll see my grammar is rather good it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.
I get the gist of what your saying and if, upon review of their comparative careers, you see it that way; fair enough. But are you talking about the same JB - that often says over the radio 'cmon guys, this is a joke' , 'cmon guys, the car is (this or that)'. For the record, I don't blame JB for his, quite public, rants - but again; I think you have blinkers on; JB has expressed his frustration PLENTY of times. Again, I don't blame him one bit - just pointing out that, on evidence alone, your point is a little (read 'very') shaky.
I'm no fanboy; I'm not saying Lewis is the 'best' loser out there. I'm saying he's no better or worse - but people, including you, claim he's a very bad loser and a sulker... which I just don't get, when you have Vettel literally screaming down the radio about Max passing him; and when coming up to back markers; shouting 'are you serious' at them all... but Hamilton is the poor loser? I stand by my point; he's no better or worse than anyone else out there. As much as you - and others - would claim otherwise. Facts overrule opinion in this instance, I would say.
Being realistic it's in the nature of a racing driver to be competitive and frankly if they weren't they wouldn't have made it to F1; therefore, of course they all express frustration from time to time as they want to win and hate it when something prevents them from doing so. I'm not saying JB hasn't complained on occasion - of course he has - but I think LH is quicker to do it and also tends to labour the point for longer rather than confining it just to the heat of the moment. I also think he'd have been far less tolerant of the situation at McLaren than Button (and Alonso) have been; I think everyone has known the frustration those drivers must have felt over the last two years but generally they've managed to keep a lid on it and tow the team line when the temptation must have been to vent their feelings to the media. Would Lewis have been as diplomatic in public for so long? Maybe but somehow I doubt it! it's a shame you spoilt an otherwise well constructed post with that.I get the gist of what your saying and if, upon review of their comparative careers, you see it that way; fair enough. But are you talking about the same JB - that often says over the radio 'cmon guys, this is a joke' , 'cmon guys, the car is (this or that)'. For the record, I don't blame JB for his, quite public, rants - but again; I think you have blinkers on; JB has expressed his frustration PLENTY of times. Again, I don't blame him one bit - just pointing out that, on evidence alone, your point is a little (read 'very') shaky.
I'm no fanboy; I'm not saying Lewis is the 'best' loser out there. I'm saying he's no better or worse - but people, including you, claim he's a very bad loser and a sulker... which I just don't get, when you have Vettel literally screaming down the radio about Max passing him; and when coming up to back markers; shouting 'are you serious' at them all... but Hamilton is the poor loser? I stand by my point; he's no better or worse than anyone else out there. As much as you - and others - would claim otherwise. Facts overrule opinion in this instance, I would say.
I don't actually think that Lewis is generally a "very bad loser" and I'm not sure why you've drawn that conclusion from my previous posts. However, I do think that at times he carries a bit of unnecessary attitude and would come across so much better if he didn't; for example, I can't recall any other top driver behaving the way he did at the Japanese GP press briefing and it all seemed a bit spooling for a fight and rebel without a cause to me.
Given a competitive car I'm sure Hamilton will be capable of beating anyone next year and I for one will be happy if he does; I just wish he'd appreciate his glass is 80% full rather than (sometimes) concentrating on the bit that's 20% empty!
For the record once again; I don't blame Button - it must be horrible being stuck in that car; what about Vettel - toes the line in interviews - but looks fed up and is basically fibbing to the camera and to us, the general public; professionalism that falls down when he's on the radio most laps complaining of back markers - or increasingly, Max!
If Hamilton was in the McLaren; I would EXPECT him to be angry and unable to contain his frustration; that's what makes him the driver, you agree with me; he is.
Talking about class acts; Hamilton does a lot of charity work and travels the world supporting noble causes. If he'd been a James Hunt character; would that have been better? I think it would, to some.
It's a strange place he finds himself; slated by some for not being resident in the UK, when none of them are (including, even, DC; I think) - slated for being a bad loser when he's no better or worse than anyone else; slated for the people he hangs around with, slated for his dress sense, the list goes on; this is from people who claim to be F1 fans but often ignore what a privilege it is to be watching a golden era in F1, driver wise; the talent out there is astonishing. Let's all hope for closer competition going forward.
On a personal level; and I never mention it as I find it irrelevant; I dislike the religious musings from Hamilton and the odd, sometimes narcissistic, pictures that he often puts up... but that doesn't stop me being entirely enamoured with his driving; from karting through lower formulae and up; he's been a very very special driver. I see a touch of it in Max and on driving alone; he's another driver I will support and defend. Even if he starts wearing clothes I wouldn't wear - or says something I may personally find, odd; you catch my drift.
In any case, like Brundle has said; 'show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'. None of them are very good at it... they wouldn't be in F1 if they were.
LDN said:
Well I won't argue with you; it's an opinion you're entitled to; I don't think it makes it right though. I feel your arguement falls down, plainly, by saying Button is a classier loser / or classier WDC - when Button has more openly slated - and digged - his team, than anyone else out there, almost. Alonso is a far better example of what we are talking about; how he has kept his cool, I don't know (he's had his moments also); but I suppose it's because he has no choice and no other team to go to... but again, Alonso doesn't fit the bill as a Brit WDC who's 'classier' than Hamilton.
For the record once again; I don't blame Button - it must be horrible being stuck in that car; what about Vettel - toes the line in interviews - but looks fed up and is basically fibbing to the camera and to us, the general public; professionalism that falls down when he's on the radio most laps complaining of back markers - or increasingly, Max!
If Hamilton was in the McLaren; I would EXPECT him to be angry and unable to contain his frustration; that's what makes him the driver, you agree with me; he is.
Talking about class acts; Hamilton does a lot of charity work and travels the world supporting noble causes. If he'd been a James Hunt character; would that have been better? I think it would, to some.
It's a strange place he finds himself; slated by some for not being resident in the UK, when none of them are (including, even, DC; I think) - slated for being a bad loser when he's no better or worse than anyone else; slated for the people he hangs around with, slated for his dress sense, the list goes on; this is from people who claim to be F1 fans but often ignore what a privilege it is to be watching a golden era in F1, driver wise; the talent out there is astonishing. Let's all hope for closer competition going forward.
On a personal level; and I never mention it as I find it irrelevant; I dislike the religious musings from Hamilton and the odd, sometimes narcissistic, pictures that he often puts up... but that doesn't stop me being entirely enamoured with his driving; from karting through lower formulae and up; he's been a very very special driver. I see a touch of it in Max and on driving alone; he's another driver I will support and defend. Even if he starts wearing clothes I wouldn't wear - or says something I may personally find, odd; you catch my drift.
In any case, like Brundle has said; 'show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'. None of them are very good at it... they wouldn't be in F1 if they were.
I agree with pretty much all of that. I think we are indeed in an era where there's a lot of talent on the grid and I hope next year the new regulations mean no one team is dominant so we have more of a true driver's championship; I think Lewis would come out on top in that scenario - because I think he's the best driver - but we'll see. Potentially we could have something to rival the years when Prost/Senna/Mansell/Piquet were at the top and fighting it out and that would be great to see; one team dominating just isn't great for the sport unless you have drivers of the calibre of Prost and Senna as team-mates who are allowed to race one another - however, that brings its own problems as I'm sure Ron Dennis will testify! For the record once again; I don't blame Button - it must be horrible being stuck in that car; what about Vettel - toes the line in interviews - but looks fed up and is basically fibbing to the camera and to us, the general public; professionalism that falls down when he's on the radio most laps complaining of back markers - or increasingly, Max!
If Hamilton was in the McLaren; I would EXPECT him to be angry and unable to contain his frustration; that's what makes him the driver, you agree with me; he is.
Talking about class acts; Hamilton does a lot of charity work and travels the world supporting noble causes. If he'd been a James Hunt character; would that have been better? I think it would, to some.
It's a strange place he finds himself; slated by some for not being resident in the UK, when none of them are (including, even, DC; I think) - slated for being a bad loser when he's no better or worse than anyone else; slated for the people he hangs around with, slated for his dress sense, the list goes on; this is from people who claim to be F1 fans but often ignore what a privilege it is to be watching a golden era in F1, driver wise; the talent out there is astonishing. Let's all hope for closer competition going forward.
On a personal level; and I never mention it as I find it irrelevant; I dislike the religious musings from Hamilton and the odd, sometimes narcissistic, pictures that he often puts up... but that doesn't stop me being entirely enamoured with his driving; from karting through lower formulae and up; he's been a very very special driver. I see a touch of it in Max and on driving alone; he's another driver I will support and defend. Even if he starts wearing clothes I wouldn't wear - or says something I may personally find, odd; you catch my drift.
In any case, like Brundle has said; 'show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'. None of them are very good at it... they wouldn't be in F1 if they were.
RYH64E said:
As British as any Monaco residing, multi-millionaire tax exile can be... It's a shame he doesn't consider himself to be sufficiently British to pay his taxes here.
Yet another one to spout uninformed nonsense.Hamilton, and all international sports stars, pay tax where they EARN it, not where they LIVE. So Hamilton pays tax in the UK on 1/21st of his income, as do all the others,
The issue has highlighted the dilemma facing Mercedes Benz as a car manufacturer entering motor racing as a so-called "sport". However, It's apparent that now Hamilton has risked his life for MB to win the WCC, MB is expecting Hamilton to perform first and foremost as a car salesman and PR representative rather than as a racing driver contracted to compete and win in his sport.
Rosberg was 100% responsible for forcing Hamilton off the track in Barcelona, and Rosberg's actions denied Mercedes an almost certain win and 1-2 finish and all those points were lost in the WCC. If Wolff and Co were so concerned about its sporting "ethos" and principles and the potential loss of points in all races, besides those available in Abu Dhabi, then they should've shown the same concern post-Barcelona, which should've also prevented Rosberg's action against Hamilton in Austria, which also lost them additional points. It's been clear that despite Hamilton's best efforts he's been thwarted throughout this season by his team. Ross Brawn left MB because he couldn't trust Wolff and Lauda, and it's clear that Hamilton can't and shouldn't either.
When Lewis entered F1, there was no DRS, and it was only introduced because the racing had become processional, and Lewis grabbed the fans' attention because he could overtake without DRS under braking. Verstappen has also grabbed the fans attention because he is also able to overtake without DRS. Which other drivers can be relied upon to overtake in this way? If MB ever find they no longer have the technical advantage they've enjoyed, and let's hope that's in 2017, then if they've not already pi22ed him off so he goes elsewhere, they'll be expecting Lewis to deploy his talents 100% as a racing driver and Nico will end somewhere down the field.
Rosberg was 100% responsible for forcing Hamilton off the track in Barcelona, and Rosberg's actions denied Mercedes an almost certain win and 1-2 finish and all those points were lost in the WCC. If Wolff and Co were so concerned about its sporting "ethos" and principles and the potential loss of points in all races, besides those available in Abu Dhabi, then they should've shown the same concern post-Barcelona, which should've also prevented Rosberg's action against Hamilton in Austria, which also lost them additional points. It's been clear that despite Hamilton's best efforts he's been thwarted throughout this season by his team. Ross Brawn left MB because he couldn't trust Wolff and Lauda, and it's clear that Hamilton can't and shouldn't either.
When Lewis entered F1, there was no DRS, and it was only introduced because the racing had become processional, and Lewis grabbed the fans' attention because he could overtake without DRS under braking. Verstappen has also grabbed the fans attention because he is also able to overtake without DRS. Which other drivers can be relied upon to overtake in this way? If MB ever find they no longer have the technical advantage they've enjoyed, and let's hope that's in 2017, then if they've not already pi22ed him off so he goes elsewhere, they'll be expecting Lewis to deploy his talents 100% as a racing driver and Nico will end somewhere down the field.
monamimate said:
Where did I suggest that it was false? I think you might need to learn a little more about managing social media before getting your knickers in such a twist... maybe mumsnet is indeed the place for you?
Read my post again.I said you have already 'seen' that people are discounting the sentiment of the social media quote.
I didn't therefore mean to infer that you had stated the post was pointless but that others already had.
monamimate said:
buckshee said:
now Hamilton has risked his life for MB to win the WCC
Huh?Presented in quite an extreme fashion... but I get the point.
LDN said:
monamimate said:
buckshee said:
now Hamilton has risked his life for MB to win the WCC
Huh?Presented in quite an extreme fashion... but I get the point.
On the Jenson discussion. It wasn't a period when I was particularly close to F1 (I watched the races but didn't take much further interest). But I question if McLaren lost their way quite badly in that Jenson and Martin Whitmarsh era? I have the impression that there was a large element of spin in the team at that time and they began to justify poor performance (and each other) instead of ruthlessly chasing and expecting better performance. Jenson is a gentleman and is clearly very bright and articulate, but I do wonder if his and Whitmarsh's efforts were really focused on defending themselves as opposed to improving the team and performance.
I could well be very wide of the mark, it was just an impression that I formed trough that period.
I could well be very wide of the mark, it was just an impression that I formed trough that period.
Hungrymc said:
On the Jenson discussion. It wasn't a period when I was particularly close to F1 (I watched the races but didn't take much further interest). But I question if McLaren lost their way quite badly in that Jenson and Martin Whitmarsh era? I have the impression that there was a large element of spin in the team at that time and they began to justify poor performance (and each other) instead of ruthlessly chasing and expecting better performance. Jenson is a gentleman and is clearly very bright and articulate, but I do wonder if his and Whitmarsh's efforts were really focused on defending themselves as opposed to improving the team and performance.
I could well be very wide of the mark, it was just an impression that I formed trough that period.
I know what you mean and I can see how you come to that conclusion, most certainly.I could well be very wide of the mark, it was just an impression that I formed trough that period.
monamimate said:
Really? I think he (buckshee) was over-dramatic, suggesting that somehow there was some tacit agreement that the driver risks his life in exchange for lord-only-knows what from the team. It's akin to that stupid argument trotted out sometimes for drivers' high pay: "well, they are risking their lives". Every driver, before reaching the pinnacle of F1, was more than happy to drive for nothing as long as they were climbing the ladder; at no time was there any suggestion that "risking their life" was part of the contract...
Many amateurs are willing to take exactly the same risks as professionals in many dangerous sports and often grateful to have the chance to do so at someone else's expense in expensive sports, such as motor racing and horseracing. The fact that a professional driver gets paid does NOT lessen the risk, and payment establishes a contractual relationship between the driver and the employer, where the employer might request that the driver takes a risk greater than the driver, using his own judgment, might otherwise do if he were an unpaid amateur, because the employer wants the driver to take the risk to attempt to achieve a result which is beneficial for the employer (he who pays the piper calls the tune and all that). Although all the drivers on the grid are willing to take part, and would probably drive for nothing, they still take the risk on behalf of their employing team who employ them to achieve results on behalf of their teams. I recall Niki Lauda retired from the Japanese GP in Suzuka in 1976 after a couple of laps because he thought it was unsafe to race in the conditions and this led to the breakdown with his relationship with Ferrari, who were dissatisfied by his decision to withdraw from that race, irrespective of the fact that he was still recovering from his serious burns sustained only 6 weeks before. There's no sympathy or sick notes for drivers in F1; they are obviously expected to die for the cause by their employers.The Surveyor said:
Dr Z said:
......., but my comment was from the team's perspective and the way they go about their racing--Hamilton was driving a horse and cart through it to an extent that I'm not even mad at them like a lot of fans for not letting them 'race'. Heaven knows, I've been very critical of the way they go about racing here in the past.
This is the point I just don't understand. The 'team' had already secured the WCC, whatever the outcome of Sundays race they had secured a Mercedes WDC so they had nothing to lose. Their policy of letting Lewis and Nico 'race' had been a great success in keeping the media interested in the battle, in the 'bitter rivalry' etc. The very last thing they would have wanted from Hamilton was for him to disappear off the front of the race and have a processional final race, leaving the cameras and media to focus on the battle between Ferrari and Red Bull for the last podium place. That would have been a commercial disaster for Mercedes so whilst they may publicly say that they're a bit miffed for Lewis backing Nico into the pack, internally they would have been delighted with the media storm it's created.
It doesn't look great for your employer if you are intentionally underperforming and nobbling the company's objectives, in the vain hope that employees from other companies beat another employee of your company. I would be hard pressed to call the tactics employed as "racing"--the term would imply that you are driving fast to actually try to win the race. I don't see anything wrong with what Hamilton did, but I can't help but feel that other more 'safer' alternatives could have been employed that kept the image of Mercedes intact and saved his bosses some public embarassment/grief.
Ultimately, this Championship wasn't won or lost in the last race, so it's a bit desperate to try and wrestle it back then in the manner it was done. I would have liked to have seen him let Nico past from the start and pressured him for the entire race, goading him to a wheel-to-wheel battle, hoping he goes off somewhere in a private race in the safe knowledge that a win is safe no matter what. Overtake Nico for the win eventually, act all magnanimous in the press. Job done.
Most of us recognise that Hamilton is the faster one, so he could have simply beat Rosberg by a pit stop or two in the last race to hammer(!) home his superiority--an option favoured by his boss. It would have been far more deflating for Rosberg to win the WDC like that, than how he did it in reality. Or, the other scenario I mentioned above. Both would have been welcomed by Mercedes. IMHO.
Or maybe I've got this completely wrong and Hamilton did this as an ultimate act of altruism, designed to make his team mate look like a hero in the finest hour of his career. They're mates after all?
[Adjusts tinfoil hat]
JNW1 said:
Being realistic it's in the nature of a racing driver to be competitive and frankly if they weren't they wouldn't have made it to F1; therefore, of course they all express frustration from time to time as they want to win and hate it when something prevents them from doing so. I'm not saying JB hasn't complained on occasion - of course he has - but I think LH is quicker to do it and also tends to labour the point for longer rather than confining it just to the heat of the moment. I also think he'd have been far less tolerant of the situation at McLaren than Button (and Alonso) have been; I think everyone has known the frustration those drivers must have felt over the last two years but generally they've managed to keep a lid on it and tow the team line when the temptation must have been to vent their feelings to the media. Would Lewis have been as diplomatic in public for so long? Maybe but somehow I doubt it!
I don't actually think that Lewis is generally a "very bad loser" and I'm not sure why you've drawn that conclusion from my previous posts. However, I do think that at times he carries a bit of unnecessary attitude and would come across so much better if he didn't; for example, I can't recall any other top driver behaving the way he did at the Japanese GP press briefing and it all seemed a bit spooling for a fight and rebel without a cause to me.
Given a competitive car I'm sure Hamilton will be capable of beating anyone next year and I for one will be happy if he does; I just wish he'd appreciate his glass is 80% full rather than (sometimes) concentrating on the bit that's 20% empty!
Wow, where can you get more Hamilton fans like this? I don't actually think that Lewis is generally a "very bad loser" and I'm not sure why you've drawn that conclusion from my previous posts. However, I do think that at times he carries a bit of unnecessary attitude and would come across so much better if he didn't; for example, I can't recall any other top driver behaving the way he did at the Japanese GP press briefing and it all seemed a bit spooling for a fight and rebel without a cause to me.
Given a competitive car I'm sure Hamilton will be capable of beating anyone next year and I for one will be happy if he does; I just wish he'd appreciate his glass is 80% full rather than (sometimes) concentrating on the bit that's 20% empty!
I think you touched on some aspects that makes him difficult for me to warm to.
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