Nico Rosberg retires from F1
Discussion
37chevy said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not sure I've accused anyone of anything?
You said the problems started when nico stopped moving out of the way....what exactly did you mean by that?!ferrisbueller said:
I think some of the problems started when Nico stopped moving out of the way.
Which bit of that is difficult to understand?You appear to be spoiling for an argument so you can champion Hamilton's cause. I'm not the right person to give you that opportunity, sorry.
ETA. Petty is finding it impossible to give WDC Nico the respect of an "N"......
ferrisbueller said:
37chevy said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not sure I've accused anyone of anything?
You said the problems started when nico stopped moving out of the way....what exactly did you mean by that?!ferrisbueller said:
I think some of the problems started when Nico stopped moving out of the way.
Which bit of that is difficult to understand?You appear to be spoiling for an argument so you can champion Hamilton's cause. I'm not the right person to give you that opportunity, sorry.
ETA. Petty is finding it impossible to give WDC Nico the respect of an "N"......
I don't get your last sentence; you'll have to break that down.
anonymous said:
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Gosh I'd almost forgotten how dominant Schumacher was!! Mind you the rest of the post...perhaps that shows that lewis has never been the de-facto Number 1 driver. In 2007 the FiA decided they didnt like the idea of any driver being number 1, so decided to put their men in the pit garages. At mercedes they have never had a number 1 driver, so nobody ever got the better parts first, the better pit team etc etc (and despite what others have said, you WILL get a better pit crew given two sets. These days we're talking tenths of scends afterall...)As for the last part. I think we are all looking forward to finding out!
swisstoni said:
I don't know if Schumacher was No1 at Merc but it didn't do him much good against Rosberg who beat him convincingly.
People seem to forget that one.
C'mon, Schumacher was old and a shadow of his former self.People seem to forget that one.
Nico is quick, but against a prime Schumacher would've been a non contest. Irvine, Herbert and Brundle were no slouches but were convincingly crushed. There are videos available with telemetry which show how. Hamilton has yet to crush a team mate.
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 5th December 21:38
sparta6 said:
swisstoni said:
I don't know if Schumacher was No1 at Merc but it didn't do him much good against Rosberg who beat him convincingly.
People seem to forget that one.
C'mon, Schumacher was old and a shadow of his former self.People seem to forget that one.
Nico is quick, but against a prime Schumacher would've been a non contest. Irvine, Herbert and Brundle were no slouches but were convincingly crushed. There are videos available with telemetry which show how. Hamilton has yet to crush a team mate.
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 5th December 21:38
LDN said:
Hamilton has never had number one status... resulting in preferential treatment on everything from strategy to components. Having said that; Schuey was a still a masterful driver. A legend. But also partial to a few unsporting nasties... tainting his record IMO.
Number 1 status was bestowed upon him, and quite rightly. Ferrari were paying him mega-money, and he literally lived in Enzo's old house at Fiorano, fully committed and testing virtually every day or in the garage with mechanics.Meanwhile Irvine was partying in a nightclub somewhere on the planet - now who does that remind you of ?
sparta6 said:
LDN said:
Hamilton has never had number one status... resulting in preferential treatment on everything from strategy to components. Having said that; Schuey was a still a masterful driver. A legend. But also partial to a few unsporting nasties... tainting his record IMO.
Number 1 status was bestowed upon him, and quite rightly. Ferrari were paying him mega-money, and he literally lived in Enzo's old house at Fiorano, fully committed and testing virtually every day or in the garage with mechanics.Meanwhile Irvine was partying in a nightclub somewhere on the planet - now who does that remind you of ?
LDN said:
Yes.... but number one status never the less; perhaps moreso than any other WDC? Justified or not..... he had it. So we agree on that. I prefer drivers who are happy to go toe to toe with their teammate; for better or for worse. Drivers like Rosberg. And Hamilton. And Max... there's plenty to choose from in this era, thankfully.
Schumacher relished toe-to-toe with all drivers. His team mates were usually crushed in quailfying and would start a few places behind.Here's why
http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/media/car/westy/f1raci...
37chevy said:
He says he and Toto have a 'huge' problem to fix before Christmas...?If 80% of the drivers on the grid are calling asking for the seat, I don't think that's a huge problem.....
sparta6 said:
LDN said:
Hamilton has never had number one status... resulting in preferential treatment on everything from strategy to components. Having said that; Schuey was a still a masterful driver. A legend. But also partial to a few unsporting nasties... tainting his record IMO.
Number 1 status was bestowed upon him, and quite rightly. Ferrari were paying him mega-money, and he literally lived in Enzo's old house at Fiorano, fully committed and testing virtually every day or in the garage with mechanics.Meanwhile Irvine was partying in a nightclub somewhere on the planet - now who does that remind you of ?
Let's be clear, I loved Irvine, but that's a very unfair inferred comparison you're making.
spunkytherabbit said:
Let's be clear, I loved Irvine, but that's a very unfair inferred comparison you're making.
No comparison inferred, just highlighting the regular and massive gap between Schumacher and his team mates.A gap that Hamilton has yet to find, yet alone establish.
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 5th December 23:08
sparta6 said:
spunkytherabbit said:
Let's be clear, I loved Irvine, but that's a very unfair inferred comparison you're making.
No comparison inferred, just highlighting the regular and massive gap between Schumacher and his team mates.A gap that Hamilton has yet to find, yet alone establish.
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 5th December 23:08
anonymous said:
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I didn't put the genius comment in quotes, I was paraphrasing in my own words, didn't mean for the comment to be taken literally. Anyway, a link to Alonso's comments where he talks about Hamilton winning races in a car which shouldn't be winning: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...In terms of the consensus of team principals: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
I agree it's difficult to say who is best. I'd also say Hamilton is not alone in sometimes being difficult to work with.
anonymous said:
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Nope, he's right... Alonso has said on more than one occasion that Hamilton was his toughest opponent and that he is 'already an all time great'. So it's nothing to do with UK media bias. The whole paddock knows - the whole grid also. One quick Google search: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...
Alonso also goes on to say that Hamilton can win in a car that is not the best.. 'Unlike some' - which was a barbed reference to Vettel if I remember correctly. When it comes to driving; it's only forum banter that brings up doubt in Hamilton's legendary talent; from people who know little or are bias to the point of looking a tad silly. If Alonso himself says it; who are we to argue
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