Nico Rosberg retires from F1

[LDN]

anonymous said:

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I get your point; but whether he's biased or not... that's just your opinion. He's raced against Hamilton - and so I'd take his word for it. I know it doesn't fit with your own view of Hamilton, which is unfortunate - but assumptions on his intentions are just that; assumptions.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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I guess it depends how you think Alonso views himself.

However, it would make sense on both levels for Alonso to say that to be able to beat him, the other guy must be great.

[vonuber]

LDN said:

I get your point; but whether he's biased or not... that's just your opinion. He's raced against Hamilton - and so I'd take his word for it. I know it doesn't fit with your own view of Hamilton, which is unfortunate - but assumptions on his intentions are just that; assumptions.

If alonso says Hamilton is ordinary or just OK then by inference he was beaten by an ordinary driver.
It's exactly the same reason why people are now talking Rosberg up after disparaging him for the last 3 years; or repeatedly mentioning one blown engine as the reason Hamilton is not wdc.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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IMO you have to look beyond taking what he said at face value at the potential meanings therein. People like Alonso do not generally make throwaway comments.

At the end of the day, the majority of these things are opinions.

Alonso's motives for saying what he said are subject to opinion, as is his own opinion and everyone else's opinion.

I could go on, but before this turns into Yes, Minister, I'll shut up.

[LDN]

anonymous said:

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Ran him close? He beat him. So, yes I get your point. But it's still an assumption on your part - and as long as you see that, then we'll be fine. Alonso has said on many an occasion; his respect for Hamilton as a driver is massive. He's said he's the fastest that he's been up against - and Lewis says the same of Alonso. There appears to be a genuine, mutual, respect between the two. So I'm not sure your assumption is right... IMO of course.

In any case, your point was that Hamilton is not really that great... my point was that Alonso and the team bosses would disagree; nothing more sinister than that. Relax

[angrymoby]

ferrisbueller said:

Vaud said:

angrymoby said:

Vaud said:

I need to do the maths

Prost is comparable for beating former WDCs and then competing against new WDCs

1984 - against Lauda (former WDC)
1985 - (WDC) against Lauda (former WDC)
1986 - (WDC) against Rosberg (former WDC)
1987 - against Johansson
1988 - against Senna (WDC)
1989 - (WDC) against Senna
1990 - against Mansell (later to be WDC)
1991 - against Alesi
1992 - sabbatical
1993 - WDC against Hill (later to be WDC)

my man math (again) says 5-2 to Prost ...again, that's pretty impressive

Depends how you look at it.

He beat existing WDCs in 84,85,86,89
He beat future WDCs in 88,90,93

As you say, impressive, however you cut it.

He didn't beat a future WDC in '88.

or '84

[LDN]

anonymous said:

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You're assuming that Alonso says what he says, not from a genuine observation; having raced with Hamilton... but from how it looks, as a reflection. I do get your point; but it's an assumption you are making. What's hard to understand? I'm not point scoring; I'm telling you. Again, Hamilton beat Alonso in 2007; but you said he ran him close; not point scoring; just stating a fact. If anything, the fact that Alonso lost out to Hamilton backs your theory! So if I were point scoring, I wouldn't have mentioned it! In any case, your own view on Hamilton goes against everyone 'in the know'.

We should steer this back on topic. Rosberg: Lauda seems annoyed; no love lost; I wonder how history will look back on this retirement... interesting to see the world media response; not entirely positive.

[Vaud]

angrymoby said:

or '84

He beat a prior WDC in 84, which is my original post...

[glazbagun]

LDN said:

We should steer this back on topic. Rosberg: Lauda seems annoyed; no love lost; I wonder how history will look back on this retirement... interesting to see the world media response; not entirely positive.

Haven't followed this- what's he said?

TBH I've tired of Lauda this year. His bluntness was welcome in the past but this season he's seemed positively corporate and quite anti-Hamilton (I'm happy to see Nico win, fwiw). Maybe he was tiring of Lewis' behavior and will now need to suck it up.

[LDN]

glazbagun said:

LDN said:

We should steer this back on topic. Rosberg: Lauda seems annoyed; no love lost; I wonder how history will look back on this retirement... interesting to see the world media response; not entirely positive.

Haven't followed this- what's he said?

TBH I've tired of Lauda this year. His bluntness was welcome in the past but this season he's seemed positively corporate and quite anti-Hamilton (I'm happy to see Nico win, fwiw). Maybe he was tiring of Lewis' behavior and will now need to suck it up.

Link: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns35431.html

[Hungrymc]

The final sentence : He's annoyed that they won't have two WDC drivers (extra value if both have won a WDC in the Merc obviously). I'm surprised he said that, might even revive a few conspiracy theorists.

[sparta6]

ferrisbueller said:

Ironically, the majority of those things weren't against the rules but were so good rules were changed.

The things which were referred to, some of which were on that list, were against existing rules.

There's a difference between ingenuity and cheating.

What specific cheating are you referring to ?

[Evangelion]

Vaud said:

angrymoby said:

or '84

He beat a prior WDC in 84, which is my original post...

But he didn't. Niki beat him in '84. Admittedly only by half a point, the smallest margin in history.

[anonymous-user]

sparta6 said:

+1

Eddie was a fierce competitor. Unlapping himself by passing Senna was one of many highlights

You also have to say when Schumacher had his accident at the British GP and was out Irvine's performances did improve a lot when the team was fully behind him.

Saying that everyone seemed to fall asleep as when Schumacher returned later than year his performance blew everyone away.

[sparta6]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

You also have to say when Schumacher had his accident at the British GP and was out Irvine's performances did improve a lot when the team was fully behind him.

Saying that everyone seemed to fall asleep as when Schumacher returned later than year his performance blew everyone away.

Either that or the absence of "being hit by a psychological cricket bat around the head", Eddies own words, helped loosen him up a bit.

It's another reason Max V is so quick, he's nice n' loose.

[Vaud]

Evangelion said:

Vaud said:

angrymoby said:

or '84

He beat a prior WDC in 84, which is my original post...

But he didn't. Niki beat him in '84. Admittedly only by half a point, the smallest margin in history.

Arrgh. Sorry. My massive error. I'm going to lie down now.

[Catatafish]

Interestingly or at least more interesting than to back and forth threadpuff waffle. Both Button and Nico beat Hamilton in 1 of 3 attempts. Both now retired? Both now mentally destroyed?

[sparta6]

Catatafish said:

Interestingly or at least more interesting than to back and forth threadpuff waffle. Both Button and Nico beat Hamilton in 1 of 3 attempts. Both now retired? Both now mentally destroyed?

It's quite possible that Hamilton is mentally destroyed, he just doesn't know it yet. Bubble Hamilton is nice and warm.

[PeterY27]

what i want to know is what everyone thinks is a better way to retire?

The best way is to go out on top rather than slowly drop down through the ranks to leave having been a back marker for a season or being comprehensively beaten by your team mate.

I think Rosberg did the best possible thing, he raced and qualified ahead of what most people seem to think is the fast driver in F1 at the moment, and came out on top, its just a shame he gets no respect in doing so.

i have way more respect for Rosberg in the fact he came back after being beaten for 2 years by his team mate and went on to beat him against the odds so true mental strength. Could Hamilton have done the same or would he have gone in to melt down, the same with Vettel or Alonso etc. we'll never know but Rosberg proved he could do it. A true WDC in my eyes with proper class.

[Dryce]

Catatafish said:

Interestingly or at least more interesting than to back and forth threadpuff waffle. Both Button and Nico beat Hamilton in 1 of 3 attempts. Both now retired? Both now mentally destroyed?

Button has reached natural retirement age in F1. So that doesn't figure.

Rosberg seems to have made a calculation about what he wants. He could have just continued next year - not tried as hard - taken the money with a view that second or third in the WDC would still be a respectable result. He hasn't taken that option.