Nico Rosberg retires from F1
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
Then there's N. Piquet. He had a mouth on him. Alonso is one for some cheap jibes as well. I've not heard Hamilton abusing officials in the way Vettel does, although he's been tested.
I do wonder about all the Hamilton criticism. What's the bother? The blokes a brilliant driver and F1 would be the poorer for his loss. He was very loyal and dignified during the time when McLaren were attacked. Not for him to go cap in hand to the FIA's boss and ask for absolution.
I don't know if Rosberg is intelligent, or that he has class. We don't know the reason for this retirement. It is all guesswork. He's retired. I don't see that he will be particularly missed either, at least by the fans. He might be if, for instance. Merc replace him with a dedicated #2. I don't think I can respect anyone who parks their car on circuit to stop a team mate qualifying faster.
Intelligent or not, perhaps he has other strings to his bow. I'm neither sorry nor glad he's left. Had it been Hamilton, or any of the other exciting drivers we've got then I'd have an opinion. He's left the sport for reasons we are not aware of.
I wonder if, on this thread dedicated to Rosberg, Hamilton has been mentioned more times. It seems strange.
Leave Hamilton. He's nothing to do with this. Rosberg has gone. He's yesterday. I hope, if rather vaguely, the multi-millionaire has a pleasant life. I certainly wish him no ill will. But he's gone. Let's move on from Hamilton. He's not retiring - thankfully.
Who'll replace Rosberg; now there's a subject worth discussing.
Having thought long and hard about it, I think the hamilton hate is mostly class system; he's a common as muck nothing scrubber whose made about as good as you can and a lot of people just cant cope with seeing that. But as you say its for another thread, and one that'd only be derailed again.I do wonder about all the Hamilton criticism. What's the bother? The blokes a brilliant driver and F1 would be the poorer for his loss. He was very loyal and dignified during the time when McLaren were attacked. Not for him to go cap in hand to the FIA's boss and ask for absolution.
I don't know if Rosberg is intelligent, or that he has class. We don't know the reason for this retirement. It is all guesswork. He's retired. I don't see that he will be particularly missed either, at least by the fans. He might be if, for instance. Merc replace him with a dedicated #2. I don't think I can respect anyone who parks their car on circuit to stop a team mate qualifying faster.
Intelligent or not, perhaps he has other strings to his bow. I'm neither sorry nor glad he's left. Had it been Hamilton, or any of the other exciting drivers we've got then I'd have an opinion. He's left the sport for reasons we are not aware of.
I wonder if, on this thread dedicated to Rosberg, Hamilton has been mentioned more times. It seems strange.
Leave Hamilton. He's nothing to do with this. Rosberg has gone. He's yesterday. I hope, if rather vaguely, the multi-millionaire has a pleasant life. I certainly wish him no ill will. But he's gone. Let's move on from Hamilton. He's not retiring - thankfully.
Who'll replace Rosberg; now there's a subject worth discussing.
I wonder though if nico had his time again he'd even pick F1, Ive sneered him for being the rich kid who could do anything and chose F1 as opposed to those who strived to get there but I wonder how much its been an obligation for him.
Hungrymc said:
That's not right though is it. Kids are not an automatic want for the mature (little bit patronising, though I'm sure not intended as such).
A view largely held by those that make the choice not to have them, how can people possibly know, with no experience? I could comment on what's it feels like to win a WDC, but it'd be a huge assumption on my part?, The fact is that a lot of money, all the money in the world is less relevant than family, to a man who's life has been spent in F1, it's a huge statement, and one which Hamilton, at this moment just cannot comprehend. I bet it drives him mental
I've read through the whole thread and I'm surprised by the reaction.
To me it's simple, Rosberg gave it 10/10 this year and rode his luck on many occasions. Hamilton gave it 8/10 and was misfortunate on many occasions and this created the perfect storm that allowed Rosberg to (just about) win the championship.
This sequence of events is unlikely to happen again next year. Rosberg is intelligent and knows this so is happy to quit at the top and let people speculate. It's all well and good talking about "classy decision" and all this other irrelevant nonsense but Rosberg IS a racer and wants to win and this fact in itself is the main factor in his decision making.
Besides do you really think he would quit now if he had Max Chilton as a team mate in the Merc next year? Didn't think so...
To me it's simple, Rosberg gave it 10/10 this year and rode his luck on many occasions. Hamilton gave it 8/10 and was misfortunate on many occasions and this created the perfect storm that allowed Rosberg to (just about) win the championship.
This sequence of events is unlikely to happen again next year. Rosberg is intelligent and knows this so is happy to quit at the top and let people speculate. It's all well and good talking about "classy decision" and all this other irrelevant nonsense but Rosberg IS a racer and wants to win and this fact in itself is the main factor in his decision making.
Besides do you really think he would quit now if he had Max Chilton as a team mate in the Merc next year? Didn't think so...
yonex said:
A view largely held by those that make the choice not to have them, how can people possibly know, with no experience? I could comment on what's it feels like to win a WDC, but it'd be a huge assumption on my part?,
The fact is that a lot of money, all the money in the world is less relevant than family, to a man who's life has been spent in F1, it's a huge statement, and one which Hamilton, at this moment just cannot comprehend. I bet it drives him mental
That's a massive assumption. Having kids, and / or when to have them is a very personal decision. I very much doubt that people with different values and priorities envy each other at all over such things.The fact is that a lot of money, all the money in the world is less relevant than family, to a man who's life has been spent in F1, it's a huge statement, and one which Hamilton, at this moment just cannot comprehend. I bet it drives him mental
ETA : this said by someone how has kids and is extremely grateful for them. But I'm not arrogant enough to think my choices are automatically right for everyone, and will cause envy in those who take a different path.
Edited by Hungrymc on Saturday 3rd December 10:22
37chevy said:
How has Hamilton demonstrated that over the last few days...to me he took the loss badly as would any driver but has congratulated nico several times.
In terms of establishing themselves out of f1, welll everyone is different..just because Hamilton isn't a family man it doesn't mean he's not established....he's an f1 driver, quite frankly who cares what he does out of f1....that's not his purpose in life...he's there to do a job and win the WC...that's it
While he may have congratulated Nico some of his comments have been disparaging (I'm not the greatest loser so can understand the bitterness) which makes him come across as lacking a bit of class.In terms of establishing themselves out of f1, welll everyone is different..just because Hamilton isn't a family man it doesn't mean he's not established....he's an f1 driver, quite frankly who cares what he does out of f1....that's not his purpose in life...he's there to do a job and win the WC...that's it
ZX10R NIN said:
37chevy said:
How has Hamilton demonstrated that over the last few days...to me he took the loss badly as would any driver but has congratulated nico several times.
In terms of establishing themselves out of f1, welll everyone is different..just because Hamilton isn't a family man it doesn't mean he's not established....he's an f1 driver, quite frankly who cares what he does out of f1....that's not his purpose in life...he's there to do a job and win the WC...that's it
While he may have congratulated Nico some of his comments have been disparaging (I'm not the greatest loser so can understand the bitterness) which makes him come across as lacking a bit of class.In terms of establishing themselves out of f1, welll everyone is different..just because Hamilton isn't a family man it doesn't mean he's not established....he's an f1 driver, quite frankly who cares what he does out of f1....that's not his purpose in life...he's there to do a job and win the WC...that's it
I think the 'classy' aspect comes from the fact he's said he's followin his heart and wants to spend more time with his wife and child.
Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Quickmoose said:
I think the 'classy' aspect comes from the fact he's said he's followin his heart and wants to spend more time with his wife and child.
Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
This about sums it all up. Well said.Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Quickmoose said:
I think the 'classy' aspect comes from the fact he's said he's followin his heart and wants to spend more time with his wife and child.
Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Exactly.Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
What people forget is he has been racing for 25 years which is a long time.
Racing means 100% focus on driving and making sure you have the edge over your teammate and other drivers.
Rosberg stated himself that his wife has been doing everything and he has not done one night feed due to having to be on top of his game. Obviously he wants to have more time with his family and not to miss anymore time with his child.
The Mercedes might not be the car to beat in 2017 so why continue when clearly his heart was not in it anymore.
He said he was not wanting to do it anymore. Better to retire and give his seat to someone who wants to get to the top.
Rosberg has millions in the bank so why not enjoy life. Better than risky you life on something you do not have the desire for anymore.
Quickmoose said:
I think the 'classy' aspect comes from the fact he's said he's followin his heart and wants to spend more time with his wife and child.
Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Get out of here and take your common sense with you! Lewis doesn't have those yet, so can't display the same...
The F1 calendar takes up 9 out of 12 months and I imagine the training/simulator/marketing takes up the other 3...and NR has already pointed out quite how massive the task was to beat Lewis, an admission by any other words that he knows Lewis is 'better'.
However, through reliabilty, speed and all sorts of other variables this year he scored more points and achieved his goal.
Now his goal is to raise and be part of his family.
Slagging him off for that, or Lewis for the other, denotes a lack of class from the detractors imo.
Toto Wolff
Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff says the 2016 season proves Nico Rosberg retires as "the best driver in Formula 1 today".
After finishing second to Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the 2014 and '15 title fights, Rosberg became world champion for the first time last Sunday in Abu Dhabi.
However, just five days after winning the 2016 title, Rosberg stunned motorsport by announcing his immediate retirement.
While Hamilton's unreliability during the season was a major point of discussion, Wolff said Rosberg's final achievement proves his worth.
"The results show he won the world championship," Wolff said.
"He is the best driver in Formula 1 today and the points show that.
"The way I've perceived the last few races was that he was extremely professional and he did what was needed.
"He had an incredible winning streak at the beginning of the season [four races] to build the foundation and he just drove it home."
Rosberg graduated to F1 as the reigning GP2 champion in 2006 with Williams, spending his first four seasons with the team.
When Mercedes returned as a works team in 2010 after buying Brawn GP, it recruited Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, who came out of retirement.
Rosberg won the first of his 23 grands prix in China in 2012 and two more in '13, before Mercedes stamped its dominance on the new turbo-hybrid era.
"He leaves a huge legacy," Wolff said.
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
"He has been part of the development of the team since the very early days and such a strong team member.
"The team has developed because the balance is right between the drivers and the dynamics within the team.
"The balance is very important and Nico was a big contributor."
Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff says the 2016 season proves Nico Rosberg retires as "the best driver in Formula 1 today".
After finishing second to Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the 2014 and '15 title fights, Rosberg became world champion for the first time last Sunday in Abu Dhabi.
However, just five days after winning the 2016 title, Rosberg stunned motorsport by announcing his immediate retirement.
While Hamilton's unreliability during the season was a major point of discussion, Wolff said Rosberg's final achievement proves his worth.
"The results show he won the world championship," Wolff said.
"He is the best driver in Formula 1 today and the points show that.
"The way I've perceived the last few races was that he was extremely professional and he did what was needed.
"He had an incredible winning streak at the beginning of the season [four races] to build the foundation and he just drove it home."
Rosberg graduated to F1 as the reigning GP2 champion in 2006 with Williams, spending his first four seasons with the team.
When Mercedes returned as a works team in 2010 after buying Brawn GP, it recruited Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, who came out of retirement.
Rosberg won the first of his 23 grands prix in China in 2012 and two more in '13, before Mercedes stamped its dominance on the new turbo-hybrid era.
"He leaves a huge legacy," Wolff said.
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
"He has been part of the development of the team since the very early days and such a strong team member.
"The team has developed because the balance is right between the drivers and the dynamics within the team.
"The balance is very important and Nico was a big contributor."
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Toto Wolff
Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff says the 2016 season proves Nico Rosberg retires as "the best driver in Formula 1 today".
After finishing second to Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the 2014 and '15 title fights, Rosberg became world champion for the first time last Sunday in Abu Dhabi.
However, just five days after winning the 2016 title, Rosberg stunned motorsport by announcing his immediate retirement.
While Hamilton's unreliability during the season was a major point of discussion, Wolff said Rosberg's final achievement proves his worth.
"The results show he won the world championship," Wolff said.
"He is the best driver in Formula 1 today and the points show that.
"The way I've perceived the last few races was that he was extremely professional and he did what was needed.
"He had an incredible winning streak at the beginning of the season [four races] to build the foundation and he just drove it home."
Rosberg graduated to F1 as the reigning GP2 champion in 2006 with Williams, spending his first four seasons with the team.
When Mercedes returned as a works team in 2010 after buying Brawn GP, it recruited Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, who came out of retirement.
Rosberg won the first of his 23 grands prix in China in 2012 and two more in '13, before Mercedes stamped its dominance on the new turbo-hybrid era.
"He leaves a huge legacy," Wolff said.
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
"He has been part of the development of the team since the very early days and such a strong team member.
"The team has developed because the balance is right between the drivers and the dynamics within the team.
"The balance is very important and Nico was a big contributor."
Toto has been foolish there. Firstly in my opinion it's nonsense. He isn't the best driver - he won yes but that's down to car and the reliability of the car. Verstappen has been a better driver and showed the most improvement. Had Hamiltons car performed exactly as Rosberg then he would have one.Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff says the 2016 season proves Nico Rosberg retires as "the best driver in Formula 1 today".
After finishing second to Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the 2014 and '15 title fights, Rosberg became world champion for the first time last Sunday in Abu Dhabi.
However, just five days after winning the 2016 title, Rosberg stunned motorsport by announcing his immediate retirement.
While Hamilton's unreliability during the season was a major point of discussion, Wolff said Rosberg's final achievement proves his worth.
"The results show he won the world championship," Wolff said.
"He is the best driver in Formula 1 today and the points show that.
"The way I've perceived the last few races was that he was extremely professional and he did what was needed.
"He had an incredible winning streak at the beginning of the season [four races] to build the foundation and he just drove it home."
Rosberg graduated to F1 as the reigning GP2 champion in 2006 with Williams, spending his first four seasons with the team.
When Mercedes returned as a works team in 2010 after buying Brawn GP, it recruited Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, who came out of retirement.
Rosberg won the first of his 23 grands prix in China in 2012 and two more in '13, before Mercedes stamped its dominance on the new turbo-hybrid era.
"He leaves a huge legacy," Wolff said.
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
"He has been part of the development of the team since the very early days and such a strong team member.
"The team has developed because the balance is right between the drivers and the dynamics within the team.
"The balance is very important and Nico was a big contributor."
So Toto has risked upsetting his remaining driver - their best driver. Why would you do this? Why demoralise your only hope for the next year?
We have already witnessed that Hamilton is not particularly happy with elements of the team - primarily reliability but also team orders. Could we see him move to somewhere else???
Byker28i said:
How does tot think
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
Didn't James Hunt do the same thing?
No. And has been covered numerous times in this thread."First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
"It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top.
Didn't James Hunt do the same thing?
Byker28i said:
... Didn't James Hunt do the same thing?
FOR THE LAST BLOODY TIME, NO!!!!Sorry for shouting, but this myth has been perpetuated far too many times on this thread. James Hunt won the WDC in 1976, and didn't retire until the end of the '79 season. As has been pointed out. On several occasions!
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