Who will replace Nico

[paua]

TonyToniTone said:

tommunster10 said:

although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Utter nonsense, neither would be able swap and be competitive.

World Championship 2 & 4 wheels has been achieved by only 1(One) person - Mr Surtees

[Evangelion]

paua said:

World Championship 2 & 4 wheels has been achieved by only 1(One) person - Mr Surtees

... in an era when both bikes and cars were a universe away from what they are now.

[SeeFive]

tommunster10 said:

Leroy902 said:

jm doc said:

Funny how Hamilton has been slaughtered by some on PH for not being a "team player" for daring to try to win the title in his last race and yet those same people are trying to defend Rosberg who walked out on the team that made it possible for him to win his title, within a day or so of achieving it and only a few weeks after signing a new contract.
Unbelievable...

Indeed it is. You won't be hearing from them on the subject.

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Oh FFS. Yawn. Same old, same old... Booooooooooring.

WTF are you going to do for a hobby when (unrelated before you launch into one) Lewis retires and Mercedes fall back into the pack leaving another team to dominate F1, as will undoubtedly happen in coming years? Will you STFU on this repetitive, obsessive nonsense then, or find another unrelenting boring troll angle to send us all to sleep.

I think most in here who have any involvement in, or basic notion of F1 have agreed that you need a good car to win the WDC, and that most drivers in F1 are fairly close in skills. Some interesting posters who are not quite so obsessive and boring/nerdy can recognise that there are a few drivers who have proven themselves as a tiny percent more elite news than others - plus or minus the good fortune required to win consistently over years and different manufacturers, and some can consistently deliver the best against benchmark from the equipment at their disposal, whatever badge it carries.

This seems to be a recognition and frankly a tolerance for differing views that you and a few others seem to lack.

[rdjohn]

Greeny said:

I live near Oxford, so close to most F1 teams, therefore not surprising that I know guys that work for some of them.

I doubt that Paddy is fully in-the-loop on this. The only hope for Bottas is what Mercedes can offer Williams. They need to be in front of Force India, and not slipping even further back. I doubt even a 3-year free engine deal would encourage Frank to let him go. Joe Saward has already backtracked and is now suggesting the obvious choice.

And that is the man who already has a Mercedes contract.

It is just too late in the season to start unpicking driver contracts.

[rev-erend]

Mercedes need another top driver but most are in contract.

My guess is Jenson will get a one year deal to partner Hamilton until the best drivers are free.

[Flooble]

It seems to be essentially settled: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/235558/1/mercedes-hin...

[Vaud]

TonyToniTone said:

tommunster10 said:

although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Utter nonsense, neither would be able swap and be competitive.

Rossi tested for Ferrari in 2008

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/77028/1/rossi-mat...

Seemed reasonably competitive, though hard to draw absolute conclusions. Ferrari were pretty happy at the time IIRC.

[HustleRussell]

we aren't genuinely entertaining the idea that Rossi could get the Mercedes drive are we?

[housen]

HustleRussell said:

we aren't genuinely entertaining the idea that Rossi could get the Mercedes drive are we?

no


Fernando is done

otherwise im out like nico for 2017

[TonyToniTone]

Vaud said:

Rossi tested for Ferrari in 2008

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/77028/1/rossi-mat...

Seemed reasonably competitive, though hard to draw absolute conclusions. Ferrari were pretty happy at the time IIRC.

I remember the test but it doesn't really tell you anything, different car/engine and 1.6 seconds off the fastest time.

Edited by TonyToniTone on Thursday 8th December 14:06

[Vaud]

TonyToniTone said:

Vaud said:

Rossi tested for Ferrari in 2008

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/77028/1/rossi-mat...

Seemed reasonably competitive, though hard to draw absolute conclusions. Ferrari were pretty happy at the time IIRC.

I remember the test but it doesn't really tell you anything different car/engine and 1.6 seconds of the fastest time.

As I said "hard to draw absolute conclusions". The fact that Ferrari gave him multiple tests seems unlikely to be just for PR.

[TonyToniTone]

Hard to draw any conclusions other than he was off the pace.

[tommunster10]

I hope it's Pascal I really do, if nothing else to see him lining up in Australia in 2nd place* on the grid ahead of Max, it will be fantastic to see some young blood.

• If Merc still enjoy the same level of dominance as past few seasons....

[housen]

tommunster10 said:

I hope it's Pascal I really do, if nothing else to see him lining up in Australia in 2nd place* on the grid ahead of Max, it will be fantastic to see some young blood.

• If Merc still enjoy the same level of dominance as past few seasons....

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Hungrymc]

tommunster10 said:

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Pull yourself together man. You're going stir crazy staring at the 4 walls of your office.

People refer to Lewis as 'possibly one of the greats', I haven't seen anyone call him 'the greatest' but maybe I've missed it.
It's not about being able to fill a seat. It's about the chaos it causes to the team when they will have had a long term plan. It isn't a classy way to retire - BUT it's Nico's life and he's entitled to do as he wishes - I wish him a happy retirement.

I love MotoGP and I think Rossi may well be the greatest (and still one of the best). He made too many errors this year, particularly in the wet, which cost him his 10th title. Was it this year at Misano he also had an engine blow up? One more go this year and I have my fingers crossed. You like Rossi? He has been accused of many of the character traits that people accuse Lewis of. I believe he loves motorbikes and love racing, but how ruthless is he? He's prepared to do anything on track or politically (causing disruption within the team) to achieve his aims.

It's very unlikely they could make the switch to F1 though. I have no doubt they could get within a reasonable percentage (I'm sure this percentage is closer than it would be for most drivers heading the other way), but at this highest level it's extremely small margins that divide the drivers (hence why the car is so important).

[Leroy902]

Hungrymc said:

tommunster10 said:

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Pull yourself together man. You're going stir crazy staring at the 4 walls of your office.

People refer to Lewis as 'possibly one of the greats', I haven't seen anyone call him 'the greatest' but maybe I've missed it.
It's not about being able to fill a seat. It's about the chaos it causes to the team when they will have had a long term plan. It isn't a classy way to retire - BUT it's Nico's life and he's entitled to do as he wishes - I wish him a happy retirement.

I love MotoGP and I think Rossi may well be the greatest (and still one of the best). He made too many errors this year, particularly in the wet, which cost him his 10th title. Was it this year at Misano he also had an engine blow up? One more go this year and I have my fingers crossed. You like Rossi? He has been accused of many of the character traits that people accuse Lewis of. I believe he loves motorbikes and love racing, but how ruthless is he? He's prepared to do anything on track or politically (causing disruption within the team) to achieve his aims.

It's very unlikely they could make the switch to F1 though. I have no doubt they could get within a reasonable percentage (I'm sure this percentage is closer than it would be for most drivers heading the other way), but at this highest level it's extremely small margins that divide the drivers (hence why the car is so important).

You're hitting a brick wall mate, he's proven over and over and over he just does a quick copy/paste of the same thing on every thread.
And when he does try getting defence, he blabbers on about being a foreigner in the UK, how much of a tough time he's had since the vote for brexit, and how he isn't treated the way he should be bla bla.
He really does come across as the smelly schoolboy who sat in the corner with no mates

Edited by Leroy902 on Thursday 8th December 15:59

[tommunster10]

Hungrymc said:

tommunster10 said:

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Pull yourself together man. You're going stir crazy staring at the 4 walls of your office.

People refer to Lewis as 'possibly one of the greats', I haven't seen anyone call him 'the greatest' but maybe I've missed it.
It's not about being able to fill a seat. It's about the chaos it causes to the team when they will have had a long term plan. It isn't a classy way to retire - BUT it's Nico's life and he's entitled to do as he wishes - I wish him a happy retirement.

I love MotoGP and I think Rossi may well be the greatest (and still one of the best). He made too many errors this year, particularly in the wet, which cost him his 10th title. Was it this year at Misano he also had an engine blow up? One more go this year and I have my fingers crossed. You like Rossi? He has been accused of many of the character traits that people accuse Lewis of. I believe he loves motorbikes and love racing, but how ruthless is he? He's prepared to do anything on track or politically (causing disruption within the team) to achieve his aims.

It's very unlikely they could make the switch to F1 though. I have no doubt they could get within a reasonable percentage (I'm sure this percentage is closer than it would be for most drivers heading the other way), but at this highest level it's extremely small margins that divide the drivers (hence why the car is so important).

Nico and Alonso both said he's one of the greatest F1 drivers.....oh and Button...and Nikki..and Toto.. DC as well loads of times..

[tommunster10]

Leroy902 said:

Hungrymc said:

tommunster10 said:

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Pull yourself together man. You're going stir crazy staring at the 4 walls of your office.

People refer to Lewis as 'possibly one of the greats', I haven't seen anyone call him 'the greatest' but maybe I've missed it.
It's not about being able to fill a seat. It's about the chaos it causes to the team when they will have had a long term plan. It isn't a classy way to retire - BUT it's Nico's life and he's entitled to do as he wishes - I wish him a happy retirement.

I love MotoGP and I think Rossi may well be the greatest (and still one of the best). He made too many errors this year, particularly in the wet, which cost him his 10th title. Was it this year at Misano he also had an engine blow up? One more go this year and I have my fingers crossed. You like Rossi? He has been accused of many of the character traits that people accuse Lewis of. I believe he loves motorbikes and love racing, but how ruthless is he? He's prepared to do anything on track or politically (causing disruption within the team) to achieve his aims.

It's very unlikely they could make the switch to F1 though. I have no doubt they could get within a reasonable percentage (I'm sure this percentage is closer than it would be for most drivers heading the other way), but at this highest level it's extremely small margins that divide the drivers (hence why the car is so important).

You're hitting a brick wall mate, he's proven over and over and over he just does a quick copy/paste of the same thing on every thread.
And when he does try getting defence, he blabbers on about being a foreigner in the UK, how much of a tough time he's had since the vote for brexit, and how he isn't treated the way he should be bla bla.
He really does come across as the smelly schoolboy who sat in the corner with no mates

Edited by Leroy902 on Thursday 8th December 15:59

Says a man posting on a forum...
I remember a smelly boy in school and do you know what i didn't join in the bullying.

So come Australia if Merc are still dominant i guarantee that it will be a 1-2 qualy regardless of who is in the 2nd seat... why does that cause so much abuse?
I'm a German, i'm proud of Mercedes technical skill.

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

Leroy902 said:

Hungrymc said:

tommunster10 said:

Why won't you? Nico is like the rest of them a driver who would get no where in a lesser car, the fact he was able to win races and win WDC is testament to the Merc dominance and the only saving grace for Nico is that he beat a guy on many occasions over 3 years who people call the 'greatest'.

Apart from that signing a contract then backing out is dodgy, but then again Merc can fill that seat with anyone and it'll be 1-2's all the way and in fact he has done them a favour as they will get a young number 2 driver in now so no chance of them crashing into each other.

I don't think anyone has said they adore Nico, just more that hes average driver that just happened to be able to beat Lewis...

The motogp boys wont go to F1 as its dull as dish water compared to what they do, so no chance, although they could easily make the switch but i very much doubt the boys in F1 could switch to the bikes so easy..

Pull yourself together man. You're going stir crazy staring at the 4 walls of your office.

People refer to Lewis as 'possibly one of the greats', I haven't seen anyone call him 'the greatest' but maybe I've missed it.
It's not about being able to fill a seat. It's about the chaos it causes to the team when they will have had a long term plan. It isn't a classy way to retire - BUT it's Nico's life and he's entitled to do as he wishes - I wish him a happy retirement.

I love MotoGP and I think Rossi may well be the greatest (and still one of the best). He made too many errors this year, particularly in the wet, which cost him his 10th title. Was it this year at Misano he also had an engine blow up? One more go this year and I have my fingers crossed. You like Rossi? He has been accused of many of the character traits that people accuse Lewis of. I believe he loves motorbikes and love racing, but how ruthless is he? He's prepared to do anything on track or politically (causing disruption within the team) to achieve his aims.

It's very unlikely they could make the switch to F1 though. I have no doubt they could get within a reasonable percentage (I'm sure this percentage is closer than it would be for most drivers heading the other way), but at this highest level it's extremely small margins that divide the drivers (hence why the car is so important).

You're hitting a brick wall mate, he's proven over and over and over he just does a quick copy/paste of the same thing on every thread.
And when he does try getting defence, he blabbers on about being a foreigner in the UK, how much of a tough time he's had since the vote for brexit, and how he isn't treated the way he should be bla bla.
He really does come across as the smelly schoolboy who sat in the corner with no mates

Edited by Leroy902 on Thursday 8th December 15:59

Says a man posting on a forum...
I remember a smelly boy in school and do you know what i didn't join in the bullying.

So come Australia if Merc are still dominant i guarantee that it will be a 1-2 qualy regardless of who is in the 2nd seat... why does that cause so much abuse?
I'm a German, i'm proud of Mercedes technical skill.

You do know that the technical and engineering skill in Mercedes AMG F1 is British... and not German... don't you? Im not trying to be clever - it's just you said you were proud of the Merc F1 car because you're Germam. The Mercedes car division engineers are indeed, brilliant - but the F1 team is a different beast and it's British ingenuity that has brought about such a dominant car. No doubt, with German money and some help.

[Hungrymc]

tommunster10 said:

Nico and Alonso both said he's one of the greatest F1 drivers.....oh and Button...and Nikki..and Toto.. DC as well loads of times..

It might be my OCD kicking in, I was stating 'one of the greatest' (though I added probably - as a personal point) as what was often said.
I was drawing distinction to you saying 'the greatest'... appologies if it was a bit pedantic but I felt it an important distinction.

Edited by Hungrymc on Thursday 8th December 18:41