Who will replace Nico

Who will replace Nico

Poll: Who will replace Nico

Total Members Polled: 510

Alonso: 11%
Button: 9%
Bottas: 15%
Ocon: 1%
Perez: 1%
Sainz : 5%
Mad Max: 8%
Wehrlein: 40%
Vettel: 5%
Somebody else: 6%
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Bonefish Blues

26,936 posts

224 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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jsf said:
rev-erend said:
The betting companies still view Merc as the company to beat next year.

http://www.nicerodds.co.uk/formula-one-constructor...

They have Mercedes as clear favourites, Red Bull a close second, Ferrari a distant third but amazingly McLaren 4th followed by Renallt and then Force India.

Those last couple look like poor predictions especially McLaren based on the past few years.. might be worth a early flutter betting on final team position.

What do you all think ?
The bookies don't know their arse from their elbow with F1.

I took £2500 off them for a £50 bet when Button won the championship after I saw the car run the first time on its shakedown and placed a bet as it looked so good. laugh
I think they view it as a season-long book, and you can be sure that it's a positive one for them smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Clearly Bottas is Mercedes bound.

Now Alonso is staying at McLaren "another daft decision for Alonso" I very much doubt anyone else will be of interest.

Still feel Bottas is the real deal but obviously we will have to see.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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jsf said:
rev-erend said:
jsf said:
rev-erend said:
The betting companies still view Merc as the company to beat next year.

http://www.nicerodds.co.uk/formula-one-constructor...

They have Mercedes as clear favourites, Red Bull a close second, Ferrari a distant third but amazingly McLaren 4th followed by Renallt and then Force India.

Those last couple look like poor predictions especially McLaren based on the past few years.. might be worth a early flutter betting on final team position.

What do you all think ?
The bookies don't know their arse from their elbow with F1.

I took £2500 off them for a £50 bet when Button won the championship after I saw the car run the first time on its shakedown and placed a bet as it looked so good. laugh
A good chance to take more money off of them biggrin
I don't gamble, it was the only time in my life I have placed a bet with a bookmaker. laugh
Odds are as reliant on where the public money is going as much as the bookies perceived likelihood of any eventuality...

eg. at the start of 2014 no one really knew the lay of the land between Hamilton and Rosberg - you say Hamilton having shorter odds in the UK despite an (at the time) on the face of it equal chance. Well they wanted to hedge their risk on the winner, so lengthened Rosbergs odds a bit to tempt money over there and spread the risk.



Bonefish Blues

26,936 posts

224 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Exactly that

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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Some proof Alonso IS speaking to Mercedes.




























































ISO51200

1,270 posts

195 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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It has to be Pascal, what is the point of a junior drivers program if you don't use it when a space opens in the main team?


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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ISO51200 said:
It has to be Pascal, what is the point of a junior drivers program if you don't use it when a space opens in the main team?
Maybe what they have seen is not good enough. Running drivers in junior programs is just as much about finding out if they can hack it, as it is about promoting them, drivers get dropped all the time when they don't meet the grade.

Pascal did himself no favours when he refused to switch off the engine when he put the car in the gravel, he is a bit of a cocky arse.

deadslow

8,031 posts

224 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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TIGA84

5,220 posts

232 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Perhaps we are all jumping the gun thinking the Mercedes will be the car to beat in 2017.

You just never know until the season gets going who is in the best position for 2017.
Quite, would be interesting if a big name were to join thinking they were onto a guaranteed winner, and it turned out that they were way behind the pace from the outset and ended up fighting in the mid-table.

GCH

3,999 posts

203 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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thegreenhell said:
Will this suffice?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127483...

Addressing staff at the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking on Tuesday morning, Alonso moved to reassure his colleagues.

"I believe in this project," he said. "I'm committed and I want to be world champion with McLaren-Honda. That's my only goal."

paolow

3,226 posts

259 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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I'm clearly a bit late to the party as I only saw the updates re: Bottas this afternoon....

Its interesting to see how many people DONT want the drive - though perhaps for for reasons that are hidden behind 'faith in the team' and 'contractural obligation' as opposed to 'I dont fancy following Lewis around in the same manner as the Schumacher / Massa era'

Williams have a tempting offer but who accepts the first offer when the stakes are so high? When selling a house do you accept the first offer when you know someone is very keen and has in fact said so? No...

Williams now have a rookie driver and it would be adding a massive variable to put Wehr in the car when they have been nurturing Bottas for years and he clearly knows how the team work etc. That said, Williams have themselves extolled the virtues of Stroll and saying he's the best thing since sliced bread and from forum talk PH has been impressed with what Wehr has done with a Manor.

Williams are in a good bargaining spot with a driver wanted by MB with the offset of one used to the MB engine and a potential bargaining chip of MB giving Lowe more free reign against a team they dont see as a threat as well as bags of additional money.

The cautious man might say no to Mercedes - lets stick with what we have - but then - how much longer would Bottas stay at Williams anyway?

From blogs people are saying that Williams shouldnt lose Bottas - it will leave the team too unstable - but its a seasoned team - one of the most in F1 - why not just make the most of it? If it all comes to pass both the prospective new drivers have been given every support - if they are good they surely must perform?

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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paolow said:
From blogs people are saying that Williams shouldnt lose Bottas - it will leave the team too unstable - but its a seasoned team - one of the most in F1 - why not just make the most of it? If it all comes to pass both the prospective new drivers have been given every support - if they are good they surely must perform?
It's nothing to do with their ability. The reason that they want to keep Bottas is to have a reference point between this and next years car to help develop it with the new regulations. If they don't develop the car well throughout the season it could cost them a lot more than free engines in CCB

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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George29 said:
paolow said:
From blogs people are saying that Williams shouldnt lose Bottas - it will leave the team too unstable - but its a seasoned team - one of the most in F1 - why not just make the most of it? If it all comes to pass both the prospective new drivers have been given every support - if they are good they surely must perform?
It's nothing to do with their ability. The reason that they want to keep Bottas is to have a reference point between this and next years car to help develop it with the new regulations. If they don't develop the car well throughout the season it could cost them a lot more than free engines in CCB
The data will tell them that.



George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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jsf said:
The data will tell them that.
Not completely. The driver is still a link between the data and the engineers, it's good to have a milestone.

Oh and Pat Symonds disagrees with you...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127491...

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Frank won't

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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jsf said:
Frank won't
I disagree, especially when the main sponsor objects to having 2 young drivers too. As I said above, it could end up costing more than the engines would save

swisstoni

17,096 posts

280 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Williams might want to tempt a recently retired experienced driver back if they don't want to run with 2 rookies? scratchchin

Jasandjules

69,986 posts

230 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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swisstoni said:
Williams might want to tempt a recently retired experienced driver back if they don't want to run with 2 rookies? scratchchin
Maybe https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/...

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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I will bet anyone anything (within reason) that Button will not be driving in F1 next year

Speed Badger

2,716 posts

118 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Looks like a certain recently retired Brazilian driver may be performing the shortest F1 retirement ever. Massa back at Williams would solve a few problems...