Michael Schumacher pictures
Discussion
rubystone said:
Rude-boy said:
Never had too much time for the chap after his stunt in the final race of 1994.
Found myself feeling irrationally sad when I hear what drivers of his era are doing now. Such a shame.
Cannot express how deeply flawed the character of this chance must be.
Eh? Your entire post makes absolutely no sense at all. Would you like to have another attempt? Found myself feeling irrationally sad when I hear what drivers of his era are doing now. Such a shame.
Cannot express how deeply flawed the character of this chance must be.
As a driver I was impressed by his abilities but after his actions (driving into the side of Hill when he knew he had just borked his own car) the doubts I had over his ability to fight clean when under pressure that first arose when he took out Hakkinen at Macau were set in stone. Something which I think was born out by MS's actions until his retirement. As a result, whilst one had to respect his abilities, I no long felt he was a driver that I wished to support - having followed him with interest since his F3 days and through his (1st) Merc days.
Time has a great effect on the extremity of ones emotions and therefore was no longer quite so polarised against the chap once he had come back to Merc after his Ferrari days and when he retired a second and final time i was looking forward to seeing him (possibly) in action in historic and other events over the coming years and perhaps meeting him in person again one day. (I am fortunate in that I have met a great many drivers, past and present, on their way up and then tend to see them again post F1). To know that that will be vanishinly unlikely to happen makes me sad, and then sadder even when i think of the far greater loss for him and his family leading an emotional retard like me to feel irrationally sad for what has been taken from him, his family, and others. There is no chance that you will now find him, along with Jackie Oliver, in the collecting area of a UTC race for example.
As for the person who took these photos, they must be a deeply flawed person to not consider that the hurt and distress that they would likely bring on the family (their very alleged existence has meant that the family has had to take actions it would not otherwise have had to). One thing that leaves me with a considerable distaste is those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.
Emanresu said:
Apologies if this sounds a bit morbid but is anyone interested in seeing the pictures so we actually know what condition the man is in now and how he's progressing, or if he's even progressing at all? I know I am.
Absolutely, as I'm sure is every F1 fan, but out of respect to his and his families privacy I'd rather wait until they feel comfortable to put out a statement or pictures. Until then such a personal and private mater should remain private. Quite often people's morals go out of the window when money is involved, particularly if those people are already strapped for cash.
Schumacher throughout his career showed that under pressure his moral judgement wavered, there was the already mentioned Hill, blatantly steering into Villeneuve at Jerez, swapping places with Barrichello to win some races during his Ferrari years and then parking his Mercedes at Rascasse during qualifying.
Schumacher throughout his career showed that under pressure his moral judgement wavered, there was the already mentioned Hill, blatantly steering into Villeneuve at Jerez, swapping places with Barrichello to win some races during his Ferrari years and then parking his Mercedes at Rascasse during qualifying.
Rude-boy said:
:sigh:
As a driver I was impressed by his abilities but after his actions (driving into the side of Hill when he knew he had just borked his own car) the doubts I had over his ability to fight clean when under pressure that first arose when he took out Hakkinen at Macau were set in stone. Something which I think was born out by MS's actions until his retirement. As a result, whilst one had to respect his abilities, I no long felt he was a driver that I wished to support - having followed him with interest since his F3 days and through his (1st) Merc days.
Time has a great effect on the extremity of ones emotions and therefore was no longer quite so polarised against the chap once he had come back to Merc after his Ferrari days and when he retired a second and final time i was looking forward to seeing him (possibly) in action in historic and other events over the coming years and perhaps meeting him in person again one day. (I am fortunate in that I have met a great many drivers, past and present, on their way up and then tend to see them again post F1). To know that that will be vanishinly unlikely to happen makes me sad, and then sadder even when i think of the far greater loss for him and his family leading an emotional retard like me to feel irrationally sad for what has been taken from him, his family, and others. There is no chance that you will now find him, along with Jackie Oliver, in the collecting area of a UTC race for example.
As for the person who took these photos, they must be a deeply flawed person to not consider that the hurt and distress that they would likely bring on the family (their very alleged existence has meant that the family has had to take actions it would not otherwise have had to). One thing that leaves me with a considerable distaste is those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.
Phew, I thought you were losing your marbles. Your post (above) sums up what I think too. As a driver I was impressed by his abilities but after his actions (driving into the side of Hill when he knew he had just borked his own car) the doubts I had over his ability to fight clean when under pressure that first arose when he took out Hakkinen at Macau were set in stone. Something which I think was born out by MS's actions until his retirement. As a result, whilst one had to respect his abilities, I no long felt he was a driver that I wished to support - having followed him with interest since his F3 days and through his (1st) Merc days.
Time has a great effect on the extremity of ones emotions and therefore was no longer quite so polarised against the chap once he had come back to Merc after his Ferrari days and when he retired a second and final time i was looking forward to seeing him (possibly) in action in historic and other events over the coming years and perhaps meeting him in person again one day. (I am fortunate in that I have met a great many drivers, past and present, on their way up and then tend to see them again post F1). To know that that will be vanishinly unlikely to happen makes me sad, and then sadder even when i think of the far greater loss for him and his family leading an emotional retard like me to feel irrationally sad for what has been taken from him, his family, and others. There is no chance that you will now find him, along with Jackie Oliver, in the collecting area of a UTC race for example.
As for the person who took these photos, they must be a deeply flawed person to not consider that the hurt and distress that they would likely bring on the family (their very alleged existence has meant that the family has had to take actions it would not otherwise have had to). One thing that leaves me with a considerable distaste is those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.
Rude-boy said:
:sigh:
As a driver I was impressed by his abilities but after his actions (driving into the side of Hill when he knew he had just borked his own car) the doubts I had over his ability to fight clean when under pressure that first arose when he took out Hakkinen at Macau were set in stone. Something which I think was born out by MS's actions until his retirement. As a result, whilst one had to respect his abilities, I no long felt he was a driver that I wished to support - having followed him with interest since his F3 days and through his (1st) Merc days.
Time has a great effect on the extremity of ones emotions and therefore was no longer quite so polarised against the chap once he had come back to Merc after his Ferrari days and when he retired a second and final time i was looking forward to seeing him (possibly) in action in historic and other events over the coming years and perhaps meeting him in person again one day. (I am fortunate in that I have met a great many drivers, past and present, on their way up and then tend to see them again post F1). To know that that will be vanishinly unlikely to happen makes me sad, and then sadder even when i think of the far greater loss for him and his family leading an emotional retard like me to feel irrationally sad for what has been taken from him, his family, and others. There is no chance that you will now find him, along with Jackie Oliver, in the collecting area of a UTC race for example.
As for the person who took these photos, they must be a deeply flawed person to not consider that the hurt and distress that they would likely bring on the family (their very alleged existence has meant that the family has had to take actions it would not otherwise have had to). One thing that leaves me with a considerable distaste is those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.
Superb post Rude-boy. I have no time for MS, his flawed character or loaded world championships : BUT as a follower of humanism I find it abhorrent that, if the details are correct, he [or anyone for that matter] could have the trust bestowed by his family betrayed in this manner.As a driver I was impressed by his abilities but after his actions (driving into the side of Hill when he knew he had just borked his own car) the doubts I had over his ability to fight clean when under pressure that first arose when he took out Hakkinen at Macau were set in stone. Something which I think was born out by MS's actions until his retirement. As a result, whilst one had to respect his abilities, I no long felt he was a driver that I wished to support - having followed him with interest since his F3 days and through his (1st) Merc days.
Time has a great effect on the extremity of ones emotions and therefore was no longer quite so polarised against the chap once he had come back to Merc after his Ferrari days and when he retired a second and final time i was looking forward to seeing him (possibly) in action in historic and other events over the coming years and perhaps meeting him in person again one day. (I am fortunate in that I have met a great many drivers, past and present, on their way up and then tend to see them again post F1). To know that that will be vanishinly unlikely to happen makes me sad, and then sadder even when i think of the far greater loss for him and his family leading an emotional retard like me to feel irrationally sad for what has been taken from him, his family, and others. There is no chance that you will now find him, along with Jackie Oliver, in the collecting area of a UTC race for example.
As for the person who took these photos, they must be a deeply flawed person to not consider that the hurt and distress that they would likely bring on the family (their very alleged existence has meant that the family has had to take actions it would not otherwise have had to). One thing that leaves me with a considerable distaste is those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I am sure if you watch the clip again Hill could have waited and not dived alongside Michael when it was clear he was not going to make the pass.
If Hill had waited he would have won the Championship.
Error of judgement on Hill's part.
If you look over the incidents between Schumacher and Hill it is Hill who has take Michael out more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_CdcAdAjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWw78WrJpc
Whatever mate. If Hill had waited he would have won the Championship.
Error of judgement on Hill's part.
If you look over the incidents between Schumacher and Hill it is Hill who has take Michael out more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_CdcAdAjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWw78WrJpc
hora said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I am sure if you watch the clip again Hill could have waited and not dived alongside Michael when it was clear he was not going to make the pass.
If Hill had waited he would have won the Championship.
Error of judgement on Hill's part.
If you look over the incidents between Schumacher and Hill it is Hill who has take Michael out more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_CdcAdAjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWw78WrJpc
Whatever mate. If Hill had waited he would have won the Championship.
Error of judgement on Hill's part.
If you look over the incidents between Schumacher and Hill it is Hill who has take Michael out more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_CdcAdAjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWw78WrJpc
Obviously when emotions are running high and you're battling for the championship after the end of an extremely stressful season you're gonna make some rash moves but he would've noted it was strange that Schumacher was so slow off the previous turn and perhaps was close enough to see that he'd gone off the road and impacted with the barrier.
The very best would notice that and wait, knowing that they had the advantage in hand. Sadly, as much as Damon was a brilliant driver and a massive hero for me growing up, he was not of the calibre of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, etc. so he chose the wrong time and subsequently paid the price.
I do dispute that Hill had to take Schumacher out more though. Schumacher had potentially terminally crippled his car and had shown a crack under the pressure from his nearest rival, if he had the chance to make sure Hill couldn't continue and thus win the title without any more hassle then he was going to take it and he did. He drove into Hill in the hope that he'd take both of them out of the race and that's what transpired.
CraigyMc said:
F1GTRUeno said:
The very best would notice that and wait
I disagree.Senna said:
If you no longer go for a gap you are no longer a racing driver
For all Hill knew, that was his only chance to pass. He tried, and Schumacher intentionally hit him.There was never going to be a gap. Not the first, or last, time that Damon made that kind of misjudgment.
People make a big deal about Damon should have waited, but he didn't see Schumacher clattering the wall then we all sit there and say 'silly boy' with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight.
I reckon if you had put Rosberg in the Benetton and Hamilton in the Williams, this place would have been baying for a televised execution it would have been deemed so clear cut.
I reckon if you had put Rosberg in the Benetton and Hamilton in the Williams, this place would have been baying for a televised execution it would have been deemed so clear cut.
F1GTRUeno said:
I'm a massive Hill fan but he definitely made an error of judgement in diving in at that corner. I can't believe that was nearly 23 calendar years ago, I remember watching it and being devastated when Damon couldn't continue as a four year old back then as if it was yesterday.
Obviously when emotions are running high and you're battling for the championship after the end of an extremely stressful season you're gonna make some rash moves but he would've noted it was strange that Schumacher was so slow off the previous turn and perhaps was close enough to see that he'd gone off the road and impacted with the barrier.
The very best would notice that and wait, knowing that they had the advantage in hand. Sadly, as much as Damon was a brilliant driver and a massive hero for me growing up, he was not of the calibre of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, etc. so he chose the wrong time and subsequently paid the price.
I do dispute that Hill had to take Schumacher out more though. Schumacher had potentially terminally crippled his car and had shown a crack under the pressure from his nearest rival, if he had the chance to make sure Hill couldn't continue and thus win the title without any more hassle then he was going to take it and he did. He drove into Hill in the hope that he'd take both of them out of the race and that's what transpired.
No Hill saw he'd gone off and Schu steered across - if we'd seen just that in his career...but then Schu showed us that streak/move again with JV. Hill was a twice champ. There was talk about the cars- those special tyres, TC, overfuelling etc however that's not the topic. Obviously when emotions are running high and you're battling for the championship after the end of an extremely stressful season you're gonna make some rash moves but he would've noted it was strange that Schumacher was so slow off the previous turn and perhaps was close enough to see that he'd gone off the road and impacted with the barrier.
The very best would notice that and wait, knowing that they had the advantage in hand. Sadly, as much as Damon was a brilliant driver and a massive hero for me growing up, he was not of the calibre of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, etc. so he chose the wrong time and subsequently paid the price.
I do dispute that Hill had to take Schumacher out more though. Schumacher had potentially terminally crippled his car and had shown a crack under the pressure from his nearest rival, if he had the chance to make sure Hill couldn't continue and thus win the title without any more hassle then he was going to take it and he did. He drove into Hill in the hope that he'd take both of them out of the race and that's what transpired.
The pics- I don't care for them. They won't be attractive at all. I doubt we'll see him again. The families complete lockdown speaks volumes sadly.
hora said:
No Hill saw he'd gone off and Schu steered across - if we'd seen just that in his career...but then Schu showed us that streak/move again with JV. Hill was a twice champ. There was talk about the cars- those special tyres, TC, overfuelling etc however that's not the topic.
The pics- I don't care for them. They won't be attractive at all. I doubt we'll see him again. The families complete lockdown speaks volumes sadly.
Hill didn't know the extent of Schuey's 'mistake' ...only Schuey knew at that time that he'd kissed the wallThe pics- I don't care for them. They won't be attractive at all. I doubt we'll see him again. The families complete lockdown speaks volumes sadly.
“I didn’t see him hit the wall,” said Hill. “I saw him coming back across the grass, and onto the track. I thought ‘hello, you’ve slipped up there’, but of course I thought his car was OK.”
Any racer would've then done exactly what Hill did, with the information he had at the time, not every racer would've done what Micheal did
Agree about the pics & family lockdown though
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