Manor Racing go into administration
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Andrew Benson from BBC tweeting this
"Manor ceasing trading today. No buyer has been found. Staff sent home, redundant close of business Tuesday"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38772098
"Manor ceasing trading today. No buyer has been found. Staff sent home, redundant close of business Tuesday"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38772098
Edited by StevenB on Friday 27th January 12:45
Manor are already based in the prodrive factory, surprised Richards didn't fancy another crack at F1...
Another thing, a Merc engine has opened up and Sauber already have a Merc junior driver...Time for Sauber to jump ship? Ferrari have been alot more cosy with Haas as late and were considering using the 2016 engine to save money.
Another thing, a Merc engine has opened up and Sauber already have a Merc junior driver...Time for Sauber to jump ship? Ferrari have been alot more cosy with Haas as late and were considering using the 2016 engine to save money.
ukaskew said:
It's a sad reflection of what is supposed to be the premier Motorsport championship in he world that it can't even sustain 11 teams. A cheap-ish way in such as buying Manor should have been snapped up if the sport was even remotely healthy for anyone but the top few teams.
Quite.Hopefully we'll see some new blood in a couple of years once Liberty's blown a wind of change in, and the 2020 agreement due... Hopefully.
StevenB said:
Andrew Benson from BBC tweeting this
"Manor ceasing trading today. No buyer has been found. Staff sent home, redundant close of business Tuesday"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38772098
Think the most damning part of that article is the last few paragraphs:"Manor ceasing trading today. No buyer has been found. Staff sent home, redundant close of business Tuesday"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38772098
Edited by StevenB on Friday 27th January 12:45
"Manor were one of three new teams to enter F1 in 2010 after they were promised by then FIA president Max Mosley that a £40m budget cap would be introduced."
"All three teams have now collapsed."
l354uge said:
Manor are already based in the prodrive factory, surprised Richards didn't fancy another crack at F1...
Another thing, a Merc engine has opened up and Sauber already have a Merc junior driver...Time for Sauber to jump ship? Ferrari have been alot more cosy with Haas as late and were considering using the 2016 engine to save money.
DR never spends his own money.Another thing, a Merc engine has opened up and Sauber already have a Merc junior driver...Time for Sauber to jump ship? Ferrari have been alot more cosy with Haas as late and were considering using the 2016 engine to save money.
I wonder what would have happened had the team stayed in the hands of Lowden and Booth? Fitzpatrick would appear not to have been a very canny businessman. There was a deal to be done and I'd like to know why Fitzpatrick didn't accept it.
There's a picture of the 2017 car model on Autosport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking b
ks:
"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking b
ks:"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
Edited by PhillipM on Friday 27th January 19:30
PhillipM said:
There's a picture of the 2017 car model on Autosport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking bks:
"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
It looks like a wind tunnel model to me? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking b
ks:"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
Edited by PhillipM on Friday 27th January 19:30
[quote=PhillipM]There's a picture of the 2017 car model on Autosport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking bks:
"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
That's irrelevant to your suggestion a few days ago, and does nothing to suggest you weren't.
The team had designed a car for this year, as every team has to do, its the way it works to have resources directed towards next year. If they hadn't done, and had kept 10th place, they wouldn't have been prepared for this year and you would have been telling us all that was where it all went wrong. They designed a car and built that 60% model of it for wind testing.
How does that make your claim that they lost 10th place because of following normal F1 operating procedure any more valid?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127910...
And also this snippet for those telling me I was talking b
ks:"It is understood that the version on display was not the 2016 car adapted to the new 2017 rules, as the team could have entered had it found a last-minute buyer, but was instead the project it was planning to compete with before it hit financial trouble."
You can also see the amount of resources that's already gone into it from the refinements to front wing, sidepod flow conditions, sidepod packaging, etc, especially given that's an old model.
Edited by PhillipM on Friday 27th January 19:30
[/quoteThat's irrelevant to your suggestion a few days ago, and does nothing to suggest you weren't.
The team had designed a car for this year, as every team has to do, its the way it works to have resources directed towards next year. If they hadn't done, and had kept 10th place, they wouldn't have been prepared for this year and you would have been telling us all that was where it all went wrong. They designed a car and built that 60% model of it for wind testing.
How does that make your claim that they lost 10th place because of following normal F1 operating procedure any more valid?
ukaskew said:
It's a sad reflection of what is supposed to be the premier Motorsport championship in he world that it can't even sustain 11 teams. A cheap-ish way in such as buying Manor should have been snapped up if the sport was even remotely healthy for anyone but the top few teams.
Yes, this is very disappointing. Everyone knows the distribution of money is all wrong, has been saying it for years, and yet still nothing is done.TRPK said:
How does that make your claim that they lost 10th place because of following normal F1 operating procedure any more valid?
Because as soon as it looked like they had enough pace to grab 10th this year they abandoned all work on the 2016 car bar carryover parts and upgrades already sorted from winter 2015, so no, it wasn't part of the normal operating procedure, they basically spent last year putting all their efforts into this years car in the hope of catching up with the new rules, for nothing in the end. Hell they started work on the 2017 before the 2016 car was even bolted together. If they'd done the usual split of design teams and kept with some reliability/performance upgrades on the 2016 car they might have kept 10th with the odd extra lucky point, and been able to keep going with the money.
Edited by PhillipM on Friday 27th January 22:20
its very sad for the hard working people who now have no income and little chance of being paid what's due to them, same goes for the many small suppliers who now face little or no chance of having their debts from Manor cleared.
It's a lost cause now but here is what I'd like to have seen:
F1's new owners step in and salvage the team then use the team as a way to engage new fans and show the world what F1 is really about - using online media to grow a new audience.
Maybe get Haas to run the Manor team as a satellite team, out of the U.S. with young Drivers from the USA.
Make everything available online - maybe pull viewers in with a small donation to the team £10 giving them access to 24 HR web stream of what they are doing behind the scenes and on track.
Everyone who makes a donation to the team gets entered in a draw to be a vip guest at their home race.
Take it a bit further and make the 2nd car available for guest drivers to have a go at their home race, so you get the Indy car or NASCAR champ racing in the U.S. The Aussie V8 champ guest driving in Melbourne.
It would cost Liberty media very little to do something like this and would open a whole new side to F1 promotion to online and TV audiences.
It's a lost cause now but here is what I'd like to have seen:
F1's new owners step in and salvage the team then use the team as a way to engage new fans and show the world what F1 is really about - using online media to grow a new audience.
Maybe get Haas to run the Manor team as a satellite team, out of the U.S. with young Drivers from the USA.
Make everything available online - maybe pull viewers in with a small donation to the team £10 giving them access to 24 HR web stream of what they are doing behind the scenes and on track.
Everyone who makes a donation to the team gets entered in a draw to be a vip guest at their home race.
Take it a bit further and make the 2nd car available for guest drivers to have a go at their home race, so you get the Indy car or NASCAR champ racing in the U.S. The Aussie V8 champ guest driving in Melbourne.
It would cost Liberty media very little to do something like this and would open a whole new side to F1 promotion to online and TV audiences.
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