Liberty changes relationships and possibly the CEO
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Regarding improving the popularity of F1 by hitting home the message about its technology, e.g. 50% thermal efficiency of the engines, or how many Gs the cars pull in the corners - the man in the street doesn't care about the tech. Most people wouldn't even know what thermal efficiency means, or what is meant by "G force".
I'm in my mid-thirties and was raised on the space shuttle, marvelled at stealth bombers during the first Gulf war, dreamed of flying on Concorde (but never did) and watched ISS take shape.
However, it seems to me that "kids these days" don't care about this stuff, or at least they don't find the ins and outs particularly compelling. They don't care that Elon Musk can launch a rocket into space and have it land on a boat barely bigger than the rocket's footprint, or that they can buy a fully functioning computer for pocket money and control robots with it, or whatever. The only tech that teens I know care about is their mobile phone, and even then, they couldn't care less how it works.
The things that are going to make F1 appeal to the younger generation are shorter races, more superstar drivers, more futuristic looking cars and, unfortunately, more crashes.
I'm in my mid-thirties and was raised on the space shuttle, marvelled at stealth bombers during the first Gulf war, dreamed of flying on Concorde (but never did) and watched ISS take shape.
However, it seems to me that "kids these days" don't care about this stuff, or at least they don't find the ins and outs particularly compelling. They don't care that Elon Musk can launch a rocket into space and have it land on a boat barely bigger than the rocket's footprint, or that they can buy a fully functioning computer for pocket money and control robots with it, or whatever. The only tech that teens I know care about is their mobile phone, and even then, they couldn't care less how it works.
The things that are going to make F1 appeal to the younger generation are shorter races, more superstar drivers, more futuristic looking cars and, unfortunately, more crashes.
Liberty to axe Ferrari's £100m special relationship bonus? - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/237964/1/liberty-to-a...
FourWheelDrift said:
Liberty to axe Ferrari's £100m special relationship bonus? - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/237964/1/liberty-to-a...
The current system is contracted until 2020. What happens then is open to debate.Ferrari must agree to the cut if it is to be implemented before that date. Whilst this seems, to put it mildly, unlikely, the could be promises. Ferrari might know that they are unlikely to continue to receive the full amount post 2020, so a suggestion that they might receive half their advantage might not go amiss.
But I doubt it.
Hi guys long term F1 fan here.
The problems F1 has are simple, there is way more choice of exciting things to watch and most of them are free to view.
F1 is not like football where the fans have an allegiance to a team for life except the tifosi that is, I'm a fan of the sport and follow drivers and teams eg kimi and McLaren but it used to be Williams and Montoya.
I refuse to pay for F1 as I can not stand the owner of Sky Rupert Murdoch so I stream it all for free and watch Chanel 4 brilliant coverage. I encourage you to do the same which eventually will get us back to free viewing exactly how it should be.
Bernie has been great and I admire him but it's time to step away.
My 10 pence worth.
The problems F1 has are simple, there is way more choice of exciting things to watch and most of them are free to view.
F1 is not like football where the fans have an allegiance to a team for life except the tifosi that is, I'm a fan of the sport and follow drivers and teams eg kimi and McLaren but it used to be Williams and Montoya.
I refuse to pay for F1 as I can not stand the owner of Sky Rupert Murdoch so I stream it all for free and watch Chanel 4 brilliant coverage. I encourage you to do the same which eventually will get us back to free viewing exactly how it should be.
Bernie has been great and I admire him but it's time to step away.
My 10 pence worth.
Petrolhe4d said:
The only way you will ever get change is to make a stand.
Folly. Have you seen the viewing figures for a Sky F1 only race? Even on a weekend where F1 is broadcast free to air in the UK it's at best a quarter of the figures.When it was still broadcast on the BBC, Sky routinely got less viewers for their races than BBC did for free practice!
Pay-Per-View for the time being is still only for the hardcore enthusiasts. To be honest I don't see the reason to change this, I'm happy paying for a quality program/channel although I might even be happier paying for even more content and accessibility.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Folly. Have you seen the viewing figures for a Sky F1 only race? Even on a weekend where F1 is broadcast free to air in the UK it's at best a quarter of the figures.
When it was still broadcast on the BBC, Sky routinely got less viewers for their races than BBC did for free practice!
Pay-Per-View for the time being is still only for the hardcore enthusiasts. To be honest I don't see the reason to change this, I'm happy paying for a quality program/channel although I might even be happier paying for even more content and accessibility.
Folly! I haven't seen the figures but if it was zero then sky won't pay for the rights. When it was still broadcast on the BBC, Sky routinely got less viewers for their races than BBC did for free practice!
Pay-Per-View for the time being is still only for the hardcore enthusiasts. To be honest I don't see the reason to change this, I'm happy paying for a quality program/channel although I might even be happier paying for even more content and accessibility.
I'm pleased are happy to pay even more to Rupert murdoch he will be pleased. As a hardcore fan attend the events rather than watch it on tv
StevieBee said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
I don't think that will happen until they cut down on the aero. It appears that 2017 cars will be slower on the straights and much faster around the bends. So where is the overtaking going to happen?
That is more to do with modern approaches to fitness and training and affects all professional sports. Historically, what few drivers applied any fitness to regimes did so to build strength rather than endurance. Many smoked and I'm sure a few raced with all manner of exotic compounds in their systems. We are just getting better at fitness.The same applies to athletics and football.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Petrolhe4d said:
The only way you will ever get change is to make a stand.
Folly. Have you seen the viewing figures for a Sky F1 only race? Even on a weekend where F1 is broadcast free to air in the UK it's at best a quarter of the figures.When it was still broadcast on the BBC, Sky routinely got less viewers for their races than BBC did for free practice!
Pay-Per-View for the time being is still only for the hardcore enthusiasts. To be honest I don't see the reason to change this, I'm happy paying for a quality program/channel although I might even be happier paying for even more content and accessibility.
HardtopManual said:
Regarding improving the popularity of F1 by hitting home the message about its technology, e.g. 50% thermal efficiency of the engines, or how many Gs the cars pull in the corners - the man in the street doesn't care about the tech. Most people wouldn't even know what thermal efficiency means, or what is meant by "G force".
I'm in my mid-thirties and was raised on the space shuttle, marvelled at stealth bombers during the first Gulf war, dreamed of flying on Concorde (but never did) and watched ISS take shape.
However, it seems to me that "kids these days" don't care about this stuff, or at least they don't find the ins and outs particularly compelling. They don't care that Elon Musk can launch a rocket into space and have it land on a boat barely bigger than the rocket's footprint, or that they can buy a fully functioning computer for pocket money and control robots with it, or whatever. The only tech that teens I know care about is their mobile phone, and even then, they couldn't care less how it works.
The things that are going to make F1 appeal to the younger generation are shorter races, more superstar drivers, more futuristic looking cars and, unfortunately, more crashes.
it's not just "kids these days". I'm pushing 50 and have been following F1 since my early teens and I've never cared about the technology being used. What I want to see and hear is fast and loud. Seems to me we've lost one of those things with the current engines. No matter how technically brilliant they happen to be they don't make my hair stand on-end like a 'proper' engine.I'm in my mid-thirties and was raised on the space shuttle, marvelled at stealth bombers during the first Gulf war, dreamed of flying on Concorde (but never did) and watched ISS take shape.
However, it seems to me that "kids these days" don't care about this stuff, or at least they don't find the ins and outs particularly compelling. They don't care that Elon Musk can launch a rocket into space and have it land on a boat barely bigger than the rocket's footprint, or that they can buy a fully functioning computer for pocket money and control robots with it, or whatever. The only tech that teens I know care about is their mobile phone, and even then, they couldn't care less how it works.
The things that are going to make F1 appeal to the younger generation are shorter races, more superstar drivers, more futuristic looking cars and, unfortunately, more crashes.
Pachydermus said:
it's not just "kids these days". I'm pushing 50 and have been following F1 since my early teens and I've never cared about the technology being used. What I want to see and hear is fast and loud. Seems to me we've lost one of those things with the current engines. No matter how technically brilliant they happen to be they don't make my hair stand on-end like a 'proper' engine.
I'm also in my 50s and what I want to see is racing. Overtaking on track, not through managed pit-stops, drivers winning because they are better than the others. Noise is not really important as I do not go to the races. Speed per se is not important either, but, the sensation of being on the ragged edge is, does not matter if it is at 100 mph rather than 120 mph. So cars that need to be driven to win, not piloted.suffolk009 said:
I'd be a lot happier paying my Sky fees if there was some proper technical analysis, rather than the usual driver centric tosh that Croft spills out. They have Mark Hughes there in the commentary box - why not use him more?
I think you will find that Mark Hughes is just yet another journalistt. Like Ted Kravitz, neither have an engineering qualification, let alone one based in motor racing.Garry Anderson was the nearest we ever got to an engineer with credentials. I think that either Mike Gascogne or Pat Symonds would be good at explaining the tech basics to the average enthusiast.
rdjohn said:
I think you will find that Mark Hughes is just yet another journalistt. Like Ted Kravitz, neither have an engineering qualification, let alone one based in motor racing.
Garry Anderson was the nearest we ever got to an engineer with credentials. I think that either Mike Gascogne or Pat Symonds would be good at explaining the tech basics to the average enthusiast.
Yes, agreed. Mark is one of the better journalists though in the Adam Cooper/Joe Saward mould, to give him credit.Garry Anderson was the nearest we ever got to an engineer with credentials. I think that either Mike Gascogne or Pat Symonds would be good at explaining the tech basics to the average enthusiast.
Pachydermus said:
What I want to see and hear is fast and loud.
I love the sound of a V12 as much as anyone and love the to hear the historics when they're at F1 meets, but if all you want is noise and speed, drag racing will satisfy you more than F1 ever will, no matter what the engine spec is.KevinCamaroSS said:
I'm also in my 50s and what I want to see is racing. Overtaking on track, not through managed pit-stops, drivers winning because they are better than the others.
It always puzzles me when people say they want to see overtaking - there are a hundred other motorsport formulas with way more overtaking than F1 will ever have, yet nobody is interested in them. There's also plenty of overtaking in the F1 midfield.The reason we have DRS, high deg tyres and enforced pit stops in F1 is that overtakes at the pointy end had become so rare (and always have been, really). The faster cars qualify further up the grid. Everything is simulated and analysed to the nth degree before the lights have even gone out. Reliability is orders of magnitude better than it used to be. No wonder "proper" overtakes for the lead (which is what people really mean when they say they want more overtaking) are rare.
Want to see tons of overtaking up front? GP2 and GP3 usually deliver. There's also plenty of overtaking in WEC. When did you last go to a club weekend? Overtakes aplenty.
If you're not into the engineering and you don't like the "drivers as celebs" nonsense peddled by Sky et al, I don't see how you're ever going to be satisfied by F1.
Jonnny said:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-confi...Brawn as sporting director? What does he know about being sporting?
Let's hope it is not too late.
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