Pascal Wehrlein confirmed at Sauber

Pascal Wehrlein confirmed at Sauber

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FourWheelDrift

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88,382 posts

283 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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http://www.crash.net/f1/news/237871/1/pascal-wehrl...

Only Manor if they are on the grid left.

Smollet

10,468 posts

189 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Not sure why but never really bought into the hype surrounding this bloke. The same goes for the guy he's replacing, Nasr

tommunster10

1,128 posts

90 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Never in the right cars and Pascal still isn't, i'd say it was better for him at Manor, so bad anything he did could look good and they did have after all a Merc engine. The Sauber just makes people look average as you always expect the team to be a bit better so you inevitably look at the drivers to blame and add to that you just about remember Perez and Kobi nailing it in them for a bit..

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Sauber are a consistently high performing F1 team - especially if you take in to consideration their budget. As always they will probably start of well at the beginning of the season and then drift further back from the front as they struggle to keep up with the pace of development of those around them. They need to score some decent points in the early races.

Wehrlein was fantastic in the Manor - making it qualify where it shouldn't have been possible to do so. Definitely one to watch for the future.

FourWheelDrift

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283 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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FourWheelDrift said:
Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.
Good point!

tommunster10

1,128 posts

90 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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eps said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.
Good point!
Hang on you said they were a consistently high achieving F1 Team!

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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tommunster10 said:
eps said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.
Good point!
Hang on you said they were a consistently high achieving F1 Team!
No, I said they were consistently high achieving based on their budget. They get more out of their budget than most teams, based over the past 20 years or more. But... if they're "only" using last years Pus they could be in a whole heap of trouble next season.... They will have to extract the maximum possible points out of the first 3-4 races - or before major upgrades come online for the other lower and middle order teams.

Wehrlein consistently qualified the Manor above where it should have qualified and I expect him to do the same in the Sauber.

tommunster10

1,128 posts

90 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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eps said:
tommunster10 said:
eps said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.
Good point!
Hang on you said they were a consistently high achieving F1 Team!
No, I said they were consistently high achieving based on their budget. They get more out of their budget than most teams, based over the past 20 years or more. But... if they're "only" using last years Pus they could be in a whole heap of trouble next season.... They will have to extract the maximum possible points out of the first 3-4 races - or before major upgrades come online for the other lower and middle order teams.

Wehrlein consistently qualified the Manor above where it should have qualified and I expect him to do the same in the Sauber.
Did he? Ocon was pretty good at beating him. The Manor was rubbish, but it had a Merc engine. I don't think Pascal will do anything but fade into obscurity at Sauber.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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tommunster10 said:
Did he? Ocon was pretty good at beating him. The Manor was rubbish, but it had a Merc engine. I don't think Pascal will do anything but fade into obscurity at Sauber.
Totally agree.

Ocon would not have been signed over Pascal if he was the real deal.

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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tommunster10 said:
eps said:
tommunster10 said:
eps said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Everyone will be using 2017 engines, apart from Sauber who signed a deal to use 2016 Ferrari engines. They will be at the back if Manor aren't present.
Good point!
Hang on you said they were a consistently high achieving F1 Team!
No, I said they were consistently high achieving based on their budget. They get more out of their budget than most teams, based over the past 20 years or more. But... if they're "only" using last years Pus they could be in a whole heap of trouble next season.... They will have to extract the maximum possible points out of the first 3-4 races - or before major upgrades come online for the other lower and middle order teams.

Wehrlein consistently qualified the Manor above where it should have qualified and I expect him to do the same in the Sauber.
Did he? Ocon was pretty good at beating him. The Manor was rubbish, but it had a Merc engine. I don't think Pascal will do anything but fade into obscurity at Sauber.
If you were in a room on your own would you have an argument with yourself??

Wehrlein out qualified Ocon 7 v 2 I think that is quite conclusive and Wehrlein put it in to Q2 a few times - Ocon never did this. Facts not BS

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Ocon didn't refuse to turn his engine off when ordered by the team. That incident made Pascal look amateur, could have cost him the Merc drive.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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jsf said:
Ocon didn't refuse to turn his engine off when ordered by the team. That incident made Pascal look amateur, could have cost him the Merc drive.
I think that particular incident has been massively over-analysed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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HustleRussell said:
jsf said:
Ocon didn't refuse to turn his engine off when ordered by the team. That incident made Pascal look amateur, could have cost him the Merc drive.
I think that particular incident has been massively over-analysed.
That's what F1 is these days isn't it.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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hehe true.

I have watched that moment where Wehrlein fails to turn his car off once in total I believe, so I could well be wrong- but to me it sounded like he simply wanted to be doubly sure about what the team was asking him to do. I can imagine it's tough to concentrate on whispers in your ear when you're trying to get a stricken multi-million race car off the circuit and close to an egress point with 21 competitors tearing around at 220mph, particularly when you've not done it before.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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You should watch it again, it was a full on argument with his engineer, who if he could would have kicked Pascal in the nads. biggrin

tommunster10

1,128 posts

90 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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The days of Sauber being a mid table team to make drivers look good is long gone, Kobi and Perez were in at a good time, the good times are gone, they are just now scraping along. Pascal a good driver but Sauber isn't the place for him to show it. Just my opinion, all will be revealed.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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jsf said:
You should watch it again, it was a full on argument with his engineer, who if he could would have kicked Pascal in the nads. biggrin
Which race was it?

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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oyster said:
Which race was it?
+1 I will watch it again...

FourWheelDrift

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88,382 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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oyster said:
Which race was it?
US GP - http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/radio-rant-in-fu...