Honda - another disaster ?

[HTP99]

DanielSan said:

Trevatanus said:

When Brawn decided to go with the Mercedes power unit, they had a choice of that of a Ferrari unit.
They chose Merc because it fitted better.
How different F1 could have been if it went the other way!

That was pre 1.6 engines though, I think the rule regarding a more standardised mounting point was amended for the new regs.

The mounting points may have to be the same, however I'm sure the dimensions, ancillaries etc are all different for different manufacturers, thus affecting the overall packaging.

[CraigyMc]

HTP99 said:

DanielSan said:

Trevatanus said:

When Brawn decided to go with the Mercedes power unit, they had a choice of that of a Ferrari unit.
They chose Merc because it fitted better.
How different F1 could have been if it went the other way!

That was pre 1.6 engines though, I think the rule regarding a more standardised mounting point was amended for the new regs.

The mounting points may have to be the same, however I'm sure the dimensions, ancillaries etc are all different for different manufacturers, thus affecting the overall packaging.

Even the way that the engines transmit forces through the mounts will vary quite a bit.

Quite feasible to have a chassis that has the correct fixings, but which will not work as required when exposed to real world loads.

[rdjohn]

Just seen this

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-planning-...

It now seems that they can't turn the wick up rather than wont turn it up.

Already working on a new engine for Monaco, though I guess they will still need a few of the current spec for the inevitable failures

[MockingJay]

Auto Sport are reporting that Honda has been in talks with other teams with a view to supplying them engines. Surely nobody would be mad enough to take them up on it?

[DanielSan]

MockingJay said:

Auto Sport are reporting that Honda has been in talks with other teams with a view to supplying them engines. Surely nobody would be mad enough to take them up on it?

That's why there's still only one team stupid enough... If Ron hadn't insisted on sole supply Honda wouldn't be in as much if mess now as they'd have had more development data.

[The Moose]

MockingJay said:

Auto Sport are reporting that Honda has been in talks with other teams with a view to supplying them engines. Surely nobody would be mad enough to take them up on it?

Guess it all comes down to money.

[lee_fr200]

Sauber might

[Vaud]

DanielSan said:

That's why there's still only one team stupid enough... If Ron hadn't insisted on sole supply Honda wouldn't be in as much if mess now as they'd have had more development data.

Do they get much development data these days with so few tests?

[DanielSan]

Vaud said:

Do they get much development data these days with so few tests?

Having another 2 or 4 cars on the grid would make up for that though, all running time is data gathering.

[lee_fr200]

Stone dead last!! Ffs

[eliot]

lee_fr200 said:

Stone dead last!! Ffs

At least it made it to last - which has to be a big step forward.

[RemyMartin81D]

eliot said:

lee_fr200 said:

Stone dead last!! Ffs

At least it made it to last - which has to be a big step forward.

If McLaren see that as an achievement, they should retire from the sport.

Poor.

[Trabi601]

JB is probably glad he took the option to walk away now... although, from what I can see, McLaren let the wrong driver go.

[hairyben]

Trabi601 said:

JB is probably glad he took the option to walk away now... although, from what I can see, McLaren let the wrong driver go.

For a brand ambassador or whatever bs he supposed to be he was conspicuously absent.

He needs to have a little fall off his mountain bike or something, to get a note from the doctor ready in case fred walks. Or maybe he'll do a werlien and be "not fit enough".

[NRS]

RemyMartin81D said:

eliot said:

lee_fr200 said:

Stone dead last!! Ffs

At least it made it to last - which has to be a big step forward.

If McLaren see that as an achievement, they should retire from the sport.

Poor.

To be fair to them using Alonso's position when he retired it was a lot better than most were predicting a week or so ago.

[anonymous-user]

NRS said:

RemyMartin81D said:

eliot said:

lee_fr200 said:

Stone dead last!! Ffs

At least it made it to last - which has to be a big step forward.

If McLaren see that as an achievement, they should retire from the sport.

Poor.

To be fair to them using Alonso's position when he retired it was a lot better than most were predicting a week or so ago.

That wasn't because of the cars pace though. They are going to be nowhere in China.

[aeropilot]

lee_fr200 said:

Sauber might

Indeed...especially if the boat anchors are going to be free.

Honda could then dominate the back two rows of the grid

[Vaud]

aeropilot said:

lee_fr200 said:

Sauber might

Indeed...especially if the boat anchors are going to be free.

Honda could then dominate the back two rows of the grid

I think it is different this year though (and probably next year)

The grid is full and payments are made to the top 10 teams. So you are getting money either way.

If you are Sauber and have to pay for an engine, if Honda are committed and have a year to get the engine more competitive... if they are willing to significantly sweeten the deal (free engines? enhanced engineering support?) then is the question more "with more resources freed up, can we build a better overall car to compete and risk lower engine performance, and aim to beat McLaren/Haas"?

[FourWheelDrift]

I was thinking Force India for Honda rather than Sauber. They have had to go to a full team name sponsor outside of Vijay Mallya's business empire for the first time and the boss might not be around too much to throw money at the team for a while - "Beleaguered businessman Vijay Mallya, who is facing charges of defrauding banks" http://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/cricket/2703...
http://www.financialexpress.com/opinion/selling-st...

[lee_fr200]

I don't think force India would risk losing there number 4/5/6 spot in the wcc