Honda - another disaster ?

[coetzeeh]

Sa Calobra said:

Wow, why does Alonso hang around? He needs to retire.

I guess being the highest paid driver on the grid may have something to do with it.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Vaud said:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128801...

Paraphrased: "Well it worked with one cylinder but funnily enough when we scaled to a v6 it went a bit lumpy. At Christmas."

Is it me, or that a bit late to be running it on the dyno for the first time?

I am surprised at that. I mean 1-cylinder engines are typically research engines, things you use to try something wacky in isolation so you can understand it better. Something you use to prove a new concept.. i.e. stuff in the bottom few Technology Readiness Levels (TRL). Its not something you should still be using a few months away from the start of the season!

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 5th April 22:38

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 5th April 22:38

[FW18]

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/351165/mclaren-...

I wonder how much will be left on the cutting room floor given the issues with the Honda relationship. Then again the TV show "The Team" chartering their 1993 season was a great success with lots of politics behind the scenes with Senna, Andretti, Ford et al.

Shame The Big Bang Theory is copyrighted for a TV show name...

[Otispunkmeyer]

FW18 said:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/351165/mclaren-...

I wonder how much will be left on the cutting room floor given the issues with the Honda relationship. Then again the TV show "The Team" chartering their 1993 season was a great success with lots of politics behind the scenes with Senna, Andretti, Ford et al.

Shame The Big Bang Theory is copyrighted for a TV show name...

Posted about that in general motorsport. Amazon are also going to be covering the LM24 in a similar was as well. Quite looking forward to it. Might be perfect car crash TV

[Sa Calobra]

It'll work PR wise if it's warts and all. It won't work if it's a media spin or even a whiff of praise and hardwork.

[aeropilot]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Vaud said:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128801...

Paraphrased: "Well it worked with one cylinder but funnily enough when we scaled to a v6 it went a bit lumpy. At Christmas."

Is it me, or that a bit late to be running it on the dyno for the first time?

I am surprised at that. I mean 1-cylinder engines are typically research engines, things you use to try something wacky in isolation so you can understand it better. Something you use to prove a new concept.. i.e. stuff in the bottom few Technology Readiness Levels (TRL). Its not something you should still be using a few months away from the start of the season!

But isn't this Honda's problem......they are working in Japan too independently from the race team, and in a corporate manufacturer way, treating like some technology demonstrator, not a F1 racing team...........which is pretty much what a lot of us expected they would do.....again....and why only the die-hard Honda fans (and RD) thought they would actually deliver a decent F1 engine.

By the end of this season they will be even further behind Merc, Renault and Ferrari than they were at the end of last season!!

Comical.

[Dr Murdoch]

Honda have put some ads in Autosport.

Assume they are targeting British based engineers, will they be expected to work in Japan. Assume they will, but will surely have to pay over the top salaries packages to sell the idea?

[DanielSan]

Dr Murdoch said:

Honda have put some ads in Autosport.

Assume they are targeting British based engineers, will they be expected to work in Japan. Assume they will, but will surely have to pay over the top salaries packages to sell the idea?

I'd imagine the jobs will be at the Mugen Motorsport site, I want to say in Milton Keynes but I don't think that's right.

[CraigyMc]

Dr Murdoch said:

Honda have put some ads in Autosport.

Assume they are targeting British based engineers, will they be expected to work in Japan. Assume they will, but will surely have to pay over the top salaries packages to sell the idea?

The jobs are for ERS people, aren't only in autosport, and are based in MK.

They've been up for a while on the Gerrell & Hard website; http://www.gahl.co.uk/vacancies.aspx?id=17

[Vaud]

CraigyMc said:

The jobs are for ERS people, aren't only in autosport, and are based in MK.

They've been up for a while on the Gerrell & Hard website; http://www.gahl.co.uk/vacancies.aspx?id=17

Blimey, F1 jobs are badly paid.

[CraigyMc]

Vaud said:

CraigyMc said:

The jobs are for ERS people, aren't only in autosport, and are based in MK.

They've been up for a while on the Gerrell & Hard website; http://www.gahl.co.uk/vacancies.aspx?id=17

Blimey, F1 jobs are badly paid.

Yes. Something about the cachet/glamour of working for an F1 team. It's like that for all of them, unless you're some sort of senior aero dude on megabucks, of which there are probably a dozen or so for the big teams.

[Vaud]

CraigyMc said:

Yes. Something about the cachet/glamour of working for an F1 team. It's like that for all of them, unless you're some sort of senior aero dude on megabucks, of which there are probably a dozen or so for the big teams.

I nearly ended working at Arrows many years ago, and that would have involved a significant pay cut. Oh and no job a few months later...

[CraigyMc]

Vaud said:

CraigyMc said:

Yes. Something about the cachet/glamour of working for an F1 team. It's like that for all of them, unless you're some sort of senior aero dude on megabucks, of which there are probably a dozen or so for the big teams.

I nearly ended working at Arrows many years ago, and that would have involved a significant pay cut. Oh and no job a few months later...

I was looking at working for McLaren a while ago, decided not to pursue it, based on the pay. Glad I didn't move now.
I occasionally bump into people from Force India while I'm karting, figuratively. They seem happy enough - I dunno if it's because it's a small team and they would rather pay a limited number of folk properly than have a larger number of staff.

[Otispunkmeyer]

CraigyMc said:

Vaud said:

CraigyMc said:

The jobs are for ERS people, aren't only in autosport, and are based in MK.

They've been up for a while on the Gerrell & Hard website; http://www.gahl.co.uk/vacancies.aspx?id=17

Blimey, F1 jobs are badly paid.

Yes. Something about the cachet/glamour of working for an F1 team. It's like that for all of them, unless you're some sort of senior aero dude on megabucks, of which there are probably a dozen or so for the big teams.

There was a thread in here somewhere, I might have started it, that was discussing working in F1, what the pay was like, what the conditions were like.

In summary, for many, it really is a job you do for the love of the sport and the cachet of the name. Hours can be very long indeed depending on what you do and some basically said its fine when you're young and single. Married and kids, well they'd have to be understanding to say the least.

[Sa Calobra]

So the top teams also pay as bad as this bookend, back of the grid ambition team?

[stemll]

Sa Calobra said:

So the top teams also pay as bad as this bookend, back of the grid ambition team?

From my encounter with Red Bull, yes. If not worse.

I now get paid more than Red Bull were offering and I get to take holidays and go home at night.

[CraigyMc]

stemll said:

Sa Calobra said:

So the top teams also pay as bad as this bookend, back of the grid ambition team?

From my encounter with Red Bull, yes. If not worse.

I now get paid more than Red Bull were offering and I get to take holidays and go home at night.

Bonuses for winning the championship are half decent. That's the only upside, but it doesn't make the money up to decent pay

[Sa Calobra]

Wow, that's just taking the piss. F1 is awash with money but it also takes advantage of too many. I'm still amazed that people still marshal for free at this level. It's hardly club-level, help out etc.

[eastlmark]

supply and demand, if there is no supply the pay would need to be upped. just like any other business, if they fill the jobs at current wages why increase them?

[hairyben]

Otispunkmeyer said:

I am surprised at that. I mean 1-cylinder engines are typically research engines, things you use to try something wacky in isolation so you can understand it better. Something you use to prove a new concept.. i.e. stuff in the bottom few Technology Readiness Levels (TRL). Its not something you should still be using a few months away from the start of the season!

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 5th April 22:38

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 5th April 22:38

They would have been further along but the dog ate their homework.

And the 1st test was hampered because they were doing their tax return.