Car launch 2017

[Megaflow]

I saw this on twitter this morning, which goes some way towards proving the issue is not the cars, but teams inability to design a livery these days:

R26 livery on the RS17:
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/8...

Arrows A21 livery on the MCL32:
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/8...

Lots more here:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/these-famous-f1-l...

The FW14B livery looks incredible!

[DanielSan]

Megaflow said:

I saw this on twitter this morning, which goes some way towards proving the issue is not the cars, but teams inability to design a livery these days:

R26 livery on the RS17:
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/8...

Arrows A21 livery on the MCL32:
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/8...

Lots more here:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/these-famous-f1-l...

The FW14B livery looks incredible!

Almost as though having sponsors that have more say in the livery make it better....

[MiniMan64]

They do look great but I wonder how much of that is nostalgia?

[ncr69]

Shark fins for Red Bull

Toro Rosso pit lane unveiling delayed by 90 minutes.

Hope the engine hasn't gone on the blink again.

[MiniMan64]

Same old same old for RB.

Looks like quite simplistic aero on there although it's quite a dark picture

[FourWheelDrift]

ncr69 said:

Shark fins for Red Bull

http://www.redbullracing.com/video/rb13

[Trabi601]

MiniMan64 said:

Same old same old for RB.

Looks like quite simplistic aero on there although it's quite a dark picture

That explains why McLaren have lost their Esso sponsorship.

[ClockworkCupcake]

ncr69 said:

Shark fins for Red Bull

Disgraceful. They clearly should have put your aesthetic preferences above aerodynamic efficiency.

[Quickmoose]

Don't have an issue with the fins.
LMP1 went the same way
It's not particularly attractive but it's not as bad as the mass of varying angled little fiddly bits on the front wings and barge boards.

I don't think it's nostalgia that those rendered images look SO good. You could replace the words with others perhaps in the same font... but it's the colours and the way they've been applied that work.
True the likes of Rothmans and Martini are founded on their colours... good for them, thats their image that they've worked on for years, so sure it has history but it's also current....well Martini is..

[ClockworkCupcake]

Quickmoose said:

Don't have an issue with the fins.
LMP1 went the same way
It's not particularly attractive but it's not as bad as the mass of varying angled little fiddly bits on the front wings and barge boards.

Indeed. And nothing could be as bad as the airbox whaletails and the various horns, tusks and side pod wings that we have seen in years gone by.

Also, it's unfair to blame the teams. They will exploit the regulations to their limits no matter how st it makes the cars look, because its a motor race and not a beauty contest. Blame the regulations.

[Doink]

But weren't the fins banned a few years ago so why have they returned,just because they clean the air over the new lower wing isn't the answer people are asking for because if fins are banned then they're banned, I can only only assume they've been unbanned

[ClockworkCupcake]

Doink said:

But weren't the fins banned a few years ago so why have they returned,just because they clean the air over the new lower wing isn't the answer people are asking for because if fins are banned then they're banned, I can only only assume they've been unbanned

It would be reasonable to assume that if all the cars have them then they are no longer banned.

[F1GTRUeno]

The old liveries look great from the POV that the schemes are always classic and the colours are so much better than the dull ste we've got now but they also highlight just how bad the length of the current cars is. The R26 one especially shows how bad the engine area is compared to the original car.

[Quickmoose]

True.....
Again though LMP1 look pretty loonnggg...

stupid regs.

[MiniMan64]

Better look at the Haas.

Interesting to see who's gone for the extra fin-wing and who hasn't.

[Crafty_]

Another pic of the McLaren. Interesting that the fin appears to rise as it goes to the back of the car.

I think a quick and easily rule the FIA could impose is nothing should be higher than a line from the top of the airbox to the rear wing, that'd reduce the size of fins quite quickly and there would be little that the teams could do as the top of the airbox is a reference point for several other things.

[DS240]

Crafty_ said:

Another pic of the McLaren. Interesting that the fin appears to rise as it goes to the back of the car.

I think a quick and easily rule the FIA could impose is nothing should be higher than a line from the top of the airbox to the rear wing, that'd reduce the size of fins quite quickly and there would be little that the teams could do as the top of the airbox is a reference point for several other things.

Or a minimum radius on bodywork from air box back...

[PhillipM]

Crafty_ said:

Another pic of the McLaren. Interesting that the fin appears to rise as it goes to the back of the car.

I think a quick and easily rule the FIA could impose is nothing should be higher than a line from the top of the airbox to the rear wing, that'd reduce the size of fins quite quickly and there would be little that the teams could do as the top of the airbox is a reference point for several other things.

The fin is level with the reference plane, that's the rake on the car.

[MiniMan64]

Or just ban the things altogether?

As I understand it they are there to stabilise the car and make it easier to drive, a little unpredictablity might be a good thing.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Crafty_ said:

...there would be little that the teams could do...

Apart from the teams (and their lawyers) saying that you can't go changing the regulations weeks before the first race.

As I understand it, once the regulations are set for a season, the FIA can only change them on safety grounds (or possibly with unanimous agreement of the teams).