None Championship Races-Ross brawn
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Simple, all drivers qualy and race 20 laps in a stripped out road car, for arguments sake a Merc A Class AMG.
I would though love to see the driver in the back of grid car swap, problem is the driver of the best car would never ever get in the back marker car, the ego would not allow it.
I would though love to see the driver in the back of grid car swap, problem is the driver of the best car would never ever get in the back marker car, the ego would not allow it.
An anything goes Formula One would be interesting. No restrictions on engine size, number of cylinders, turbochargers, superchargers, unlimited electric systems, no rev limit, any aero etc. BUT, they'd be a strict fuel limit - say 60 litres per full race distance, which would decrease by 1% per season. So you could have an 8 litre V16 turbo...if you wanted, but you'd have to compromise somewhere else. I think it would drive forward technology, and would offer up some interesting solutions. It would also be massively expensive as teams would end up copying each other's ideas and also spending lots on pointless developments
rdjohn said:
Vocal Minority said:
Open Season then...what would people want?
On the basis the teams would need to be willing - so no new types of cars or driver swapping....
A short race on Saturday to sort out who has the fastest car and cash for the WCCOn the basis the teams would need to be willing - so no new types of cars or driver swapping....
A longer race on Sunday for the WDC where the cars are ballasted according to their WCC rankings.
That way the teams get bragging rights and the fans get to see some decent racing.
Or how about... some kind of RoC setup where its essentially a knock out. Very short races (like 2-3 laps) and you progress to next stage, quarters, semis, final. Would likely need some kind of balance of power or ballast to try even things up a little and make it more of a duel. For the start I am imagining a rolling start, side by side (otherwise a race would probably get won or lost on a fluffed start?)
Or how about... take some inspiration from the velodrome. If you're last on lap x, you get knocked out. then if you are last on lap x + 5 then the next person goes.
Or... similar races, but they try a new points system out. Points for fastest lap, points for most over takes, points for highest top speed?
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 2nd March 11:44
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'm pretty certain RB isn't meaning his none championship race would be "anything goes" in terms of a completely different car.
This.No way on earth anything like car swapping will happen, contracts and commercial terms simply won't allow it.
Interesting tweaks to rules, however, are certainly a possibility. Reverse grids, rolling starts, third drivers, sprint races, elimination races etc are all things compatible with existing set-ups that could be experimented with.
They could also add something like this to existing weekends to improve "the show"...
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/01/11/watch-f1-roo...
However there is a distinct danger that it would end up being better racing than the actual F1 race.
But certainly something to consider for the non-championship round.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/01/11/watch-f1-roo...
However there is a distinct danger that it would end up being better racing than the actual F1 race.
But certainly something to consider for the non-championship round.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'm pretty certain RB isn't meaning his none championship race would be "anything goes" in terms of a completely different car.
It would be a chance to try out things like the 2016 qualifying debacle away from the championship, or a new standardised front and rear wing for instance.
What's all this "none- championship" stuff.It would be a chance to try out things like the 2016 qualifying debacle away from the championship, or a new standardised front and rear wing for instance.
It's "NON-championship" for goodness sake (splutter, splutter, grumble, grumble).
Some sort of format would have to be picked and some sort of rules would have to be implemented. One assumes if it was to be a non championship formula race you'd have to go with single seater of some description.
I presume one reason for the race(s) would be to encourage new entrants to F1.
If you make the rules too different from an F1 car, the F1 teams won't compete, saying its too expensive to make a car for a one off race.
If you don't make the rules different enough, teams in other series (say GP2/3/WSR/LMP1/2) won't compete on the basis that it'd take a massive amount of money to make a car thats even vaguely competitive against an F1 car.
If you remove the rules that f1 has, making an engine with ~1000hp isn't that expensive in the big scheme of things. I think its the aero design that would be expensive - CFD, wind tunnel time, revisions of designs and so on. So how about you say 2 litre turbo or 6 litre N/A. Single seat, open wheel & cockpit car, no front wing, single plane rear wing of a certain size (or smaller), no DRS. I reckon it'd be fairly easy to "convert" an F1 car, alternatively you can adapt a GP2/WSR/Indycar reasonably easily.
I presume one reason for the race(s) would be to encourage new entrants to F1.
If you make the rules too different from an F1 car, the F1 teams won't compete, saying its too expensive to make a car for a one off race.
If you don't make the rules different enough, teams in other series (say GP2/3/WSR/LMP1/2) won't compete on the basis that it'd take a massive amount of money to make a car thats even vaguely competitive against an F1 car.
If you remove the rules that f1 has, making an engine with ~1000hp isn't that expensive in the big scheme of things. I think its the aero design that would be expensive - CFD, wind tunnel time, revisions of designs and so on. So how about you say 2 litre turbo or 6 litre N/A. Single seat, open wheel & cockpit car, no front wing, single plane rear wing of a certain size (or smaller), no DRS. I reckon it'd be fairly easy to "convert" an F1 car, alternatively you can adapt a GP2/WSR/Indycar reasonably easily.
Evangelion said:
t was the non-championship races I meant, although I do think they should be removed for all the others as well. Motorsport started to decline the moment the stupid things were invented, and they are the main reason why it's so s
t now.
No team is going to redesign their car to that extent for a non-championship racet now.What about active aero, but the catch is it has to be controlled by the driver in an analogue fashion, much as he would the brakes/throttle/steering etc. Could actually make things fun by giving the drivers an extra dimension to think about/exploit/get wrong. This is the essence of what I think Brawn was alluding to though, throw the teams an idea and see what they come up with in a safe space and see if it works and the fans like it, rather than the fia's arrogant "this is the rule/feature we're introducing and it will be this way and I'm not listening". And then watching it fail like all the smart people said it would, of which the ridiculous elimination qually was a perfect example
HardtopManual said:
tommunster10 said:
Simple, all drivers qualy and race 20 laps in a stripped out road car, for arguments sake a Merc A Class AMG.
Not sure if serious, but I'll bite - what you desire is available most weekends at circuits around the country. It's called club racing. It's not F1.Have two heats: rookies and reserve drivers in one race, veterans and current grid in the other.
Let any manufacturer offer 20ish mid spec cars (nothing too fast) and off they go for a 10 lap blast as part of the Saturday show after quali, or Sunday morning.
Issue would be as we have seen at RoC - a driver getting injured. Might convince the teams to do it for reserve drivers vs veterans. £1m prize pot to the winning team, or a national charity if a veteran wins.
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