2nd Test 2017

[tommunster10]

gibbon said:

I read these threads passively, in bits, when i have time, as I deeply love formula 1 for many reasons. I dont however have time to read them all, and almost never feel compelled to reply, but I have to say, my overwhelming view point of this thread has to be, even when joining the dots of diving in and out of reading various pieces, is that tommunster10 is surely an angry little teenager sat in the back bedroom eagerly trying to wind people up and revel in the reaction and spout the next bit of contrite nonsense, or, even worse, he really is a man of very limited intellect, wit, or charm.

No you just disagree with me so you get wound up and start to day dream whether I'm a young little boy sat in my bedroom... I think you have an issue chap.

You must earn respect and for me Stroll hasn't, yet. Maybe he will and there is no reason he can't as clearly 18 year old's can be fast tracked to F1 provided you have the cash.

[Vocal Minority]

yeah, I think this thread may have run its course now....

[anonymous-user]

tommunster10 said:

No you just disagree with me so you get wound up and start to day dream whether I'm a young little boy sat in my bedroom... I think you have an issue chap.

You must earn respect and for me Stroll hasn't, yet. Maybe he will and there is no reason he can't as clearly 18 year old's can be fast tracked to F1 provided you have the cash.

What about Max then? Clearly a very talented lad and a teenager with not the deepest pockets compared to some. He was fast tracked to F1 without the cash (its all relative).

You have judged Stroll before he has even started a race, that doesn't exhibit a strong intellect.

As we know, drivers who excel in the lower formula, when you give them an F1 car can fail to perform, likewise drivers who were average in low power cars can excel when you give them more power and speed. To judge people before they have been given time to settle in is dumb.

[CraigyMc]

Vocal Minority said:

yeah, I think this thread may have run its course now....

I rarely remove a thread from my watch list. This one... yep. Deleted.

Cheers all.

[tommunster10]

jsf said:

tommunster10 said:

No you just disagree with me so you get wound up and start to day dream whether I'm a young little boy sat in my bedroom... I think you have an issue chap.

You must earn respect and for me Stroll hasn't, yet. Maybe he will and there is no reason he can't as clearly 18 year old's can be fast tracked to F1 provided you have the cash.

What about Max then? Clearly a very talented lad and a teenager with not the deepest pockets compared to some. He was fast tracked to F1 without the cash (its all relative).

You have judged Stroll before he has even started a race, that doesn't exhibit a strong intellect.

As we know, drivers who excel in the lower formula, when you give them an F1 car can fail to perform, likewise drivers who were average in low power cars can excel when you give them more power and speed. To judge people before they have been given time to settle in is dumb.

Oh yes i remember Coulthard saying how great Max will be... many people knocked Max and still some do now, I've read negative stuff about Max on PH. But he did prove he had it in him and proved if nothing else that he made F1 exciting again. Whilst Lewis was cruising around in the best car by a mile Max was ringing the neck of an under powered RBR and getting it into alsorts of mad shapes, a bit like Marquez which is very very high praise indeed.

I have no doubt that Stroll will be OK and may even be more exciting to watch than the old school bunch, I mean how dull and pointless was Button towards the end? Moaning constantly. My point is why is it OK for people to poor scorn on Nico and Pastor and others but somehow Stroll is out of bounds?
Just explain why at least?
This is a forum that had a thread about Nico being the most undeserving WDC ever...yet I MUST! abide by Stroll being there because he's a genius rather than just his Dad's money mantra...

[HustleRussell]

tommunster10 said:

My point is why is it OK for people to poor scorn on Nico and Pastor and others but somehow Stroll is out of bounds?
Just explain why at least?
This is a forum that had a thread about Nico being the most undeserving WDC ever...yet I MUST! abide by Stroll being there because he's a genius rather than just his Dad's money mantra...

I think I finally understand your problem- you are so utterly flummoxed by the hive mind that you are unable to separate one poster's opinions from the next. Totally confused, you end up arguing with the forum itself and every post, pointing out the inherent contradictions.

I bet no one person has said everything you've mentioned in that post. So who are you arguing with?

Answer; everybody, at the same time, based on opinions you assume they hold based on what somebody else said on the forum last season.

[LDN]

HustleRussell said:

tommunster10 said:

My point is why is it OK for people to poor scorn on Nico and Pastor and others but somehow Stroll is out of bounds?
Just explain why at least?
This is a forum that had a thread about Nico being the most undeserving WDC ever...yet I MUST! abide by Stroll being there because he's a genius rather than just his Dad's money mantra...

I think I finally understand your problem- you are so utterly flummoxed by the hive mind that you are unable to separate one poster's opinions from the next. Totally confused, you end up arguing with the forum itself and every post, pointing out the inherent contradictions.

I bet no one person has said everything you've mentioned in that post. So who are you arguing with?

Answer; everybody, at the same time, based on opinions you assume they hold based on what somebody else said on the forum last season.

Bingo.

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

HustleRussell said:

tommunster10 said:

My point is why is it OK for people to poor scorn on Nico and Pastor and others but somehow Stroll is out of bounds?
Just explain why at least?
This is a forum that had a thread about Nico being the most undeserving WDC ever...yet I MUST! abide by Stroll being there because he's a genius rather than just his Dad's money mantra...

I think I finally understand your problem- you are so utterly flummoxed by the hive mind that you are unable to separate one poster's opinions from the next. Totally confused, you end up arguing with the forum itself and every post, pointing out the inherent contradictions.

I bet no one person has said everything you've mentioned in that post. So who are you arguing with?

Answer; everybody, at the same time, based on opinions you assume they hold based on what somebody else said on the forum last season.

Bingo.

Yes bingo indeed. Hardy rocket science is it? I sort of explained that. People get a free pass to slag off certain drivers yet suddenly I get called out for it with Stroll.
How exactly that needed you to work it out for others is beyond me, hardly coded was it?

So can someone please explain why it is only some drivers who should be slagged off on here?

So Massa, Pastor, Nico..

Is the theme just drivers who have had run in's with Lewis?

Bingo!

[Vaud]

tommunster10 said:

Yes bingo indeed. Hardy rocket science is it? I sort of explained that. People get a free pass to slag off certain drivers yet suddenly I get called out for it with Stroll.
How exactly that needed you to work it out for others is beyond me, hardly coded was it?

So can someone please explain why it is only some drivers who should be slagged off on here?

So Massa, Pastor, Nico..

Is the theme just drivers who have had run in's with Lewis?

Bingo!

One of the issues I have with your discussion is just that - you don't constructively discuss, rather it is a binary argument?

Stroll has not yet started a race and yet you seem, by my interpretation of your posts to have decided on his race capabilities.

Could we possibly let the guy have a few races first and then discuss his merits as a racer?

[tommunster10]

Vaud said:

tommunster10 said:

Yes bingo indeed. Hardy rocket science is it? I sort of explained that. People get a free pass to slag off certain drivers yet suddenly I get called out for it with Stroll.
How exactly that needed you to work it out for others is beyond me, hardly coded was it?

So can someone please explain why it is only some drivers who should be slagged off on here?

So Massa, Pastor, Nico..

Is the theme just drivers who have had run in's with Lewis?

Bingo!

One of the issues I have with your discussion is just that - you don't constructively discuss, rather it is a binary argument?

Stroll has not yet started a race and yet you seem, by my interpretation of your posts to have decided on his race capabilities.

Could we possibly let the guy have a few races first and then discuss his merits as a racer?

Well you are wrong. As I've been at pains to explain, I have merely dared suggest that Stroll is there due to his Daddys money. I honestly don't believe Williams have chosen him purely on his talent.. That aside my point is that F1 clearly isn't such a massive step up or a pinnacle of driver talent and people have helpfully echoed this by mentioning Pastor etc who again was their on merit of possibly being Venezuela's biggest F1 talent only and got a sack full of cash.
Stroll won't struggle and in that Williams should be comfortable top ten maybe higher, he will be beating Alonso and other drivers for sure, he won't be last for example... so it's F1 I'm knocking, not Stroll...
But if anyone really believes that Strorl would be there aged 18 were it not for his Dads 80 million investment, then you are a lost cause..

[Nigel_O]

Surely Stroll is not unique in this respect - I understand a significant portion of the F1 driver line-up is driving due to the funds they brought with them, either directly or indirectly

I have no idea what the proportion is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a quarter or even a third of the field

[bobbo89]

tommunster10 said:

But if anyone really believes that Strorl would be there aged 18 were it not for his Dads 80 million investment, then you are a lost cause..

I don't think anyone on here has suggested otherwise...?

The way you bang on about his 'daddys millions' is really getting quite irritating too, it comes across as very bitter!

[HardtopManual]

Testing's over, could an admin do the kindest thing and put this thread out of its misery. It has managed to become even worse than the Hamilton/Brexit thread.

[Vocal Minority]

HardtopManual said:

Testing's over, could an admin do the kindest thing and put this thread out of its misery. It has managed to become even worse than the Hamilton/Brexit thread.

Whoa!
whoa!


woah!



What did Hamilton say about Brexit?

[HardtopManual]

Nothing, as far as I'm aware. Someone started a thread trying to link an innocuous statement by Hamilton with being anti (or pro, can't remember) Brexit (or Trump, can't remember).

[Vocal Minority]

st, really?

I was only joking!

(this place really does lose all sense of perspective and reason when it comes to politics)

[Vaud]

tommunster10 said:

Well you are wrong. As I've been at pains to explain, I have merely dared suggest that Stroll is there due to his Daddys money. I honestly don't believe Williams have chosen him purely on his talent.. That aside my point is that F1 clearly isn't such a massive step up or a pinnacle of driver talent and people have helpfully echoed this by mentioning Pastor etc who again was their on merit of possibly being Venezuela's biggest F1 talent only and got a sack full of cash.
Stroll won't struggle and in that Williams should be comfortable top ten maybe higher, he will be beating Alonso and other drivers for sure, he won't be last for example... so it's F1 I'm knocking, not Stroll...
But if anyone really believes that Strorl would be there aged 18 were it not for his Dads 80 million investment, then you are a lost cause..

"Well you are wrong"

See.. you can't debate. Just argue.

Enjoy the season, you sound embittered.

[LDN]

tommunster10 said:

Vaud said:

tommunster10 said:

Yes bingo indeed. Hardy rocket science is it? I sort of explained that. People get a free pass to slag off certain drivers yet suddenly I get called out for it with Stroll.
How exactly that needed you to work it out for others is beyond me, hardly coded was it?

So can someone please explain why it is only some drivers who should be slagged off on here?

So Massa, Pastor, Nico..

Is the theme just drivers who have had run in's with Lewis?

Bingo!

One of the issues I have with your discussion is just that - you don't constructively discuss, rather it is a binary argument?

Stroll has not yet started a race and yet you seem, by my interpretation of your posts to have decided on his race capabilities.

Could we possibly let the guy have a few races first and then discuss his merits as a racer?

Well you are wrong. As I've been at pains to explain, I have merely dared suggest that Stroll is there due to his Daddys money. I honestly don't believe Williams have chosen him purely on his talent.. That aside my point is that F1 clearly isn't such a massive step up or a pinnacle of driver talent and people have helpfully echoed this by mentioning Pastor etc who again was their on merit of possibly being Venezuela's biggest F1 talent only and got a sack full of cash.
Stroll won't struggle and in that Williams should be comfortable top ten maybe higher, he will be beating Alonso and other drivers for sure, he won't be last for example... so it's F1 I'm knocking, not Stroll...
But if anyone really believes that Strorl would be there aged 18 were it not for his Dads 80 million investment, then you are a lost cause..

A lot of the grid is there due to the money / sponsorship they bring... and it's been that way in the past... so who is it that you are arguing with... there's nothing new in what you're saying. And banging on about who's in what car is just as ridiculous; you may as well say the sky is blue. It's obvious and it's the same way across a lot of Motorsport. Again, nothing new at all. At this stage, I'd normally say 'what's your point?' But I won't bother as you have none. The level of bitterness in your tone is quite extraordinary and it may be worth having a think where it all stems from; joking aside.

Maybe F1 just isn't for you... ever thought of that? It isn't for a lot of people; no shame in it and it could be that simple.

[DanielSan]

Vocal Minority said:

Whoa!
whoa!


woah!



What did Hamilton say about Brexit?

Whatever it was I'll bet it was in a different accent to his last interview

[tommunster10]

LDN said:

tommunster10 said:

Vaud said:

tommunster10 said:

Yes bingo indeed. Hardy rocket science is it? I sort of explained that. People get a free pass to slag off certain drivers yet suddenly I get called out for it with Stroll.
How exactly that needed you to work it out for others is beyond me, hardly coded was it?

So can someone please explain why it is only some drivers who should be slagged off on here?

So Massa, Pastor, Nico..

Is the theme just drivers who have had run in's with Lewis?

Bingo!

One of the issues I have with your discussion is just that - you don't constructively discuss, rather it is a binary argument?

Stroll has not yet started a race and yet you seem, by my interpretation of your posts to have decided on his race capabilities.

Could we possibly let the guy have a few races first and then discuss his merits as a racer?

Well you are wrong. As I've been at pains to explain, I have merely dared suggest that Stroll is there due to his Daddys money. I honestly don't believe Williams have chosen him purely on his talent.. That aside my point is that F1 clearly isn't such a massive step up or a pinnacle of driver talent and people have helpfully echoed this by mentioning Pastor etc who again was their on merit of possibly being Venezuela's biggest F1 talent only and got a sack full of cash.
Stroll won't struggle and in that Williams should be comfortable top ten maybe higher, he will be beating Alonso and other drivers for sure, he won't be last for example... so it's F1 I'm knocking, not Stroll...
But if anyone really believes that Strorl would be there aged 18 were it not for his Dads 80 million investment, then you are a lost cause..

A lot of the grid is there due to the money / sponsorship they bring... and it's been that way in the past... so who is it that you are arguing with... there's nothing new in what you're saying. And banging on about who's in what car is just as ridiculous; you may as well say the sky is blue. It's obvious and it's the same way across a lot of Motorsport. Again, nothing new at all. At this stage, I'd normally say 'what's your point?' But I won't bother as you have none. The level of bitterness in your tone is quite extraordinary and it may be worth having a think where it all stems from; joking aside.

Maybe F1 just isn't for you... ever thought of that? It isn't for a lot of people; no shame in it and it could be that simple.

There is a difference though in a driver getting funded because they have talent over a driver funded by their Dad. Lewis was funded due to talent.
People like Perez get funded because he's Mexican and talented and has a rich backer from Mexico. Strolls Dad is sort of biased I think. But hey ho like i say he'll do alright in that Williams. It's just funny how many have jumped to his defense, yet threads about how overrated and crap Massa become a circle jerk.