Fernando Alonso
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Alonso will be on the phone to Ferrari after that display by Vettel 
You may be right but Christ I hope they have him blocked on the Italian equivalent of the Telephone Preference Service. I really don't think F1 needs him back when you see the likes of Leclerc, Verstappen, Sainz Jr, Norris, Albon, Ricciardo and Gasly driving like they did today, not to mention Russell continuing to show a clean pair of heels to his team mate.ELUSIVEJIM said:
Devils advocate here, but I think Vettel could go back to Red Bull and Alonso to Ferrari next year. sgtBerbatov said:
Devils advocate here, but I think Vettel could go back to Red Bull and Alonso to Ferrari next year.
Vettel could go back to Red Bull, I'd see that as an upgrade over Gasly. Also a better chance for Vettel to get impressive results perhaps. I'm convinced Red Bull will pay big for a good second driver next year - it would give them every chance of besting Ferrari which in PR terms is about as good as it gets. Nothing raises headlines like beating team red in a heated season - not even winning the WDC will get as many headlines for as long a period - it would be the story of the season.Alonso back to Ferrari? If that happens I'll post a video of me slapping myself in the face with a fish. That's how much I can't see it happening at this stage
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 25th July 15:44
TheDeuce said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Devils advocate here, but I think Vettel could go back to Red Bull and Alonso to Ferrari next year.
Vettel could go back to Red Bull, I'd see that as an upgrade over Gasly. Also a better chance for Vettel to get impressive results perhaps.Alonso back to Ferrari? If that happens I'll post a video of me slapping myself in the face with a fish. That's how much I can't see it happening at this stage
HTP99 said:
Both no chance, however very, very, very, very, very small chance if Verstappen where to move on, there would be no way Vettel would go to Redbull to have his pants pulled down in mega style, by Verstappen.
I agree small chance, tiny really. Far more likely he's just going to retire - I think he's plateaued, I think he knows it and I think he's got another side of life to live now Still more likely than Alonso back to Ferrari. If he comes back to F1 at all I would expect it to be for an upcoming middle team where he can, in theory, be involved in their ascendancy.
TheDeuce said:
HTP99 said:
Both no chance, however very, very, very, very, very small chance if Verstappen where to move on, there would be no way Vettel would go to Redbull to have his pants pulled down in mega style, by Verstappen.
I agree small chance, tiny really. Far more likely he's just going to retire - I think he's plateaued, I think he knows it and I think he's got another side of life to live now Still more likely than Alonso back to Ferrari. If he comes back to F1 at all I would expect it to be for an upcoming middle team where he can, in theory, be involved in their ascendancy.
HTP99 said:
My view is he will retire end of the season if things don't drastically start improving for him; can't see that happening though, unfortunately I think things will get worse for him, he's in a bad place mentally.
I agree with all of that except the last bit - I don't think he's in a bad place mentally, so much as in a different place mentally. He seems unaffected, almost numb to the cost of mistakes or his 'rivals' victories. I get the impression he's just not taking F1 that seriously anymore. Wouldn't blame him, his personal life is expanding, it would be fair enough. In fact - that's the main reason I think the rumours of his retirement are not just rumours.TheDeuce said:
HTP99 said:
My view is he will retire end of the season if things don't drastically start improving for him; can't see that happening though, unfortunately I think things will get worse for him, he's in a bad place mentally.
I agree with all of that except the last bit - I don't think he's in a bad place mentally, so much as in a different place mentally. He seems unaffected, almost numb to the cost of mistakes or his 'rivals' victories. I get the impression he's just not taking F1 that seriously anymore. Wouldn't blame him, his personal life is expanding, it would be fair enough. In fact - that's the main reason I think the rumours of his retirement are not just rumours.sgtBerbatov said:
I think really Vettel has never been the same since he joined Ferrari. He just seems overburdened with the politics there. He was happier at Red Bull, and I think - even for one last hurrah - he would compete with Verstappen. As in he'd be there as a mentor type of thing.
Total speculation, but I think Ferrari over-burden their #1 drivers.Vettel and Alonso were both at the top of their game before heading to the red team, neither have managed more than a few years before ending up in a bit of a state.
FWIW, I think Vettel is clearly good but lucked into the RB when they were dominant and had a term mate who wasn't quite as fast. However, any time he's under pressure he seems to make mistakes.
I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
Frimley111R said:
FWIW, I think Vettel is clearly good but lucked into the RB when they were dominant and had a term mate who wasn't quite as fast. However, any time he's under pressure he seems to make mistakes.
I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
Vettel is still doing that now but the red team seem to ignore it.I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Exige77 said:
Frimley111R said:
FWIW, I think Vettel is clearly good but lucked into the RB when they were dominant and had a term mate who wasn't quite as fast. However, any time he's under pressure he seems to make mistakes.
I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
Vettel is still doing that now but the red team seem to ignore it.I was watching the 2011 Canadian GP where he fell of the track on the last lap and JB won (awesome!). Can you imagine many/any of the current top drivers doing that. I can't seem him recovering and if I was Ferrari and I could get Alonso....
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Frimley111R said:
I think moving to another type of motorsport would at least allow him to keep his 'top driver' status.
Settrington Cup racing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWVk7TcKsxM
Krikkit said:
Total speculation, but I think Ferrari over-burden their #1 drivers.
Vettel and Alonso were both at the top of their game before heading to the red team, neither have managed more than a few years before ending up in a bit of a state.
I think Ferrari certainly put too much weight behind their drivers - a good driver is vital of course, but so much more comes down to the overall package of car, race craft, setup that they bring to each race. Let's face it, they have made a lot of mistakes, in all areas this season and last season. In fact, compared to a team like Mercedes... for years now Ferrari have appeared pretty amateur by comparison. The best drivers on the grid aren't going to able to correct the mistakes the team keep making.Vettel and Alonso were both at the top of their game before heading to the red team, neither have managed more than a few years before ending up in a bit of a state.
Exige77 said:
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Not on the racing track, instead he blocked his team mate in the pits and tried to blackmail Ron Dennis... after having significant pressure from his rookie team mate.That's folding under pressure. He should have just proven his speed vs Hamilton.
Vaud said:
Exige77 said:
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Not on the racing track, instead he blocked his team mate in the pits and tried to blackmail Ron Dennis... after having significant pressure from his rookie team mate.That's folding under pressure. He should have just proven his speed vs Hamilton.
That’s why he will never be my favourite. Talented but flawed.
Exige77 said:
Vaud said:
Exige77 said:
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Not on the racing track, instead he blocked his team mate in the pits and tried to blackmail Ron Dennis... after having significant pressure from his rookie team mate.That's folding under pressure. He should have just proven his speed vs Hamilton.
That’s why he will never be my favourite. Talented but flawed.
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