Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo

Author
Discussion

asfault

12,295 posts

180 months

Sunday 5th November 2023
quotequote all
skwdenyer said:
What The Deuces said:
TheDeuce said:
What The Deuces said:
Muzzer79 said:
When was he ‘struggling to beat Yuki”

I’ll point out at this stage that, maybe excepting one-off drives, no F1 driver has ever beaten their team mate in every session.
About 2 hours ago lol
They both posted near identical times here - that's not one driver beating another, it's just a wipeout for the team. The delta was less than two hundredths of a second.. a breeze could cause that. You can't judge either driver on such a result

Willing to bet in the race(s) this weekend, saving any third party factors, DR proves to be quickest and will place higher. I think he's got his eye in on the car now.

Needless to say neither driver will place very high, the cars' back to being practically useless on this circuit.
That aged badly

Dan said he made a mistake in Qualy yesterday and we saw it on the onboard

Today Yuki outqualified and outraced him scoring decent points.
Interesting circuit. Piastri was nowhere relative to Norris, for instance, whereas Stroll suddenly seems on a par with Alonso. And Perez suddenly looks like a decent number 2 again.

What, if anything, have we learned?
Piastri has never driven the track before and even less driving time it being a sprint weekend,
Aston went back to the old car so both drivers able to drive it better, Battling alot allowed Stroll to catch up a bit
Decent number 2 is a point of view he should be a solid second every race to Max in that car.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

25 months

Sunday 5th November 2023
quotequote all
asfault said:
skwdenyer said:
What The Deuces said:
TheDeuce said:
What The Deuces said:
Muzzer79 said:
When was he ‘struggling to beat Yuki”

I’ll point out at this stage that, maybe excepting one-off drives, no F1 driver has ever beaten their team mate in every session.
About 2 hours ago lol
They both posted near identical times here - that's not one driver beating another, it's just a wipeout for the team. The delta was less than two hundredths of a second.. a breeze could cause that. You can't judge either driver on such a result

Willing to bet in the race(s) this weekend, saving any third party factors, DR proves to be quickest and will place higher. I think he's got his eye in on the car now.

Needless to say neither driver will place very high, the cars' back to being practically useless on this circuit.
That aged badly

Dan said he made a mistake in Qualy yesterday and we saw it on the onboard

Today Yuki outqualified and outraced him scoring decent points.
Interesting circuit. Piastri was nowhere relative to Norris, for instance, whereas Stroll suddenly seems on a par with Alonso. And Perez suddenly looks like a decent number 2 again.

What, if anything, have we learned?
Piastri has never driven the track before and even less driving time it being a sprint weekend,
Aston went back to the old car so both drivers able to drive it better, Battling alot allowed Stroll to catch up a bit
Decent number 2 is a point of view he should be a solid second every race to Max in that car.
A strong weekend for Yuki too.

Purosangue

986 posts

14 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
rallycross said:
What The Deuces said:
That aged badly

Dan said he made a mistake in Qualy yesterday and we saw it on the onboard

Today Yuki outqualified and outraced him scoring decent points.
At least he tried hard some ballsy over takes today
Trying hard wont be remembered , he has to make his own luck , its all about the stats , his team mate in the points with 9th place where Ricciardo roles in 13th ............. hes got to be spanking Tsunoda

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

25 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
rallycross said:
At least he tried hard some ballsy over takes today
I think Taki Inoue used to try hard

MustangGT

11,676 posts

281 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
skwdenyer said:
What The Deuces said:
TheDeuce said:
What The Deuces said:
Muzzer79 said:
When was he ‘struggling to beat Yuki”

I’ll point out at this stage that, maybe excepting one-off drives, no F1 driver has ever beaten their team mate in every session.
About 2 hours ago lol
They both posted near identical times here - that's not one driver beating another, it's just a wipeout for the team. The delta was less than two hundredths of a second.. a breeze could cause that. You can't judge either driver on such a result

Willing to bet in the race(s) this weekend, saving any third party factors, DR proves to be quickest and will place higher. I think he's got his eye in on the car now.

Needless to say neither driver will place very high, the cars' back to being practically useless on this circuit.
That aged badly

Dan said he made a mistake in Qualy yesterday and we saw it on the onboard

Today Yuki outqualified and outraced him scoring decent points.
Interesting circuit. Piastri was nowhere relative to Norris, for instance, whereas Stroll suddenly seems on a par with Alonso. And Perez suddenly looks like a decent number 2 again.

What, if anything, have we learned?
You do all realise that both Piastri and Ricciardo 'lost' a lap when the red flag came out? Both cars were damaged in the first corner fiasco, not their fault, and they went to the pits. The rest did one more lap before the red flag. Neither had a chance in the race.

geeks

9,211 posts

140 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
What The Deuces said:
rallycross said:
At least he tried hard some ballsy over takes today
I think Taki Inoue used to try hard
To get run over!

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

25 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
MustangGT said:
skwdenyer said:
What The Deuces said:
TheDeuce said:
What The Deuces said:
Muzzer79 said:
When was he ‘struggling to beat Yuki”

I’ll point out at this stage that, maybe excepting one-off drives, no F1 driver has ever beaten their team mate in every session.
About 2 hours ago lol
They both posted near identical times here - that's not one driver beating another, it's just a wipeout for the team. The delta was less than two hundredths of a second.. a breeze could cause that. You can't judge either driver on such a result

Willing to bet in the race(s) this weekend, saving any third party factors, DR proves to be quickest and will place higher. I think he's got his eye in on the car now.

Needless to say neither driver will place very high, the cars' back to being practically useless on this circuit.
That aged badly

Dan said he made a mistake in Qualy yesterday and we saw it on the onboard

Today Yuki outqualified and outraced him scoring decent points.
Interesting circuit. Piastri was nowhere relative to Norris, for instance, whereas Stroll suddenly seems on a par with Alonso. And Perez suddenly looks like a decent number 2 again.

What, if anything, have we learned?
You do all realise that both Piastri and Ricciardo 'lost' a lap when the red flag came out? Both cars were damaged in the first corner fiasco, not their fault, and they went to the pits. The rest did one more lap before the red flag. Neither had a chance in the race.
You realise the comment youre quoting was about saturday not sunday right?

MustangGT

11,676 posts

281 months

Monday 6th November 2023
quotequote all
What The Deuces said:
You realise the comment youre quoting was about saturday not sunday right?
No paperbag

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

84 months

Tuesday 7th November 2023
quotequote all
Never driven the track before is such an excuse. How long does it take to learn? You can see where all the other drivers are placing the car as well.
Maybe its the same as fan never been to track before. Wheres the bogs and where is the best viewing point?
They are both similar issues I guess lol.
I reckon we are seeing that piastri is a competent learner with visible/invisible manager depending on his result.
And norris is just fast like a max.

HustleRussell

24,771 posts

161 months

Tuesday 7th November 2023
quotequote all
Doesn't matter how good the sim tools are, someone who's never been will always be at a disadvantage compared to someone who has (and several times). Especially with only one practice session.

I've noticed that Norris is a driver who climbs all over the curbs for example, that's the kind of thing that you can only really learn from experience- sure, they're laser scanned and simulated but it's knowing what kind of grip there is on and over the curbs and how the car rides them in real life.

Edited by HustleRussell on Tuesday 7th November 19:39

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

25 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
4 Points scoring finishes to 1 for Yuki in races v Daniel

I think he's had a decent season.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

25 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
mabosh said:
What The Deuces said:
4 Points scoring finishes to 1 for Yuki in races v Daniel

I think he's had a decent season.
Where are you getting those stats from?

He had one points finish, 7th in Mexico which got him the six points he finished the season on.

He's been mediocre at best, outperformed by Yuki and has done nothing to justify his seat next year.
Go back and slowly read what i wrote....... I said Yuki has had 4 points finishes to Daniels 1 and Yuki has had a good season.



mabosh

300 posts

187 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
What The Deuces said:
mabosh said:
What The Deuces said:
4 Points scoring finishes to 1 for Yuki in races v Daniel

I think he's had a decent season.
Where are you getting those stats from?

He had one points finish, 7th in Mexico which got him the six points he finished the season on.

He's been mediocre at best, outperformed by Yuki and has done nothing to justify his seat next year.
Go back and slowly read what i wrote....... I said Yuki has had 4 points finishes to Daniels 1 and Yuki has had a good season.
Yep, apologies! Read that the wrong way round! I'm clearly still half asleep.

Yuki seemed to get himself together in the second half of the season. Hopefully he can sustain that next year and motivate Daniel to up his game.

sidewinder500

1,177 posts

95 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
Interesting interview with Franz Tost on BtG, where he rates Ricciardo as a driver with great technical feel and knowledge, as well as a matured and determined person, Yuki on the other hand as a driver who relies too much on his considerable talent, but still immature and not determined enough. Says after three years a driver is either ready for RedBull (or the like, with all possible pressure on them) or never.

This from a man who worked (and built) a few WCs as well as many gp winners, so he should know.

In the latter part of their teammateship Yuki didn't exactly blow him off, but had definitely the edge.
Next year with the RB19 spin off and Yuki keeping his outbursts in check it will be even more clear that Yuki is on a trajectory and DannyRic, well, not

Pflanzgarten

4,012 posts

26 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
Why do people keep saying next years AT will be a RB19 spin off, the rules don’t allow it. It’ll gain its front suspension but will in reality be a very different car.

Piginapoke

4,790 posts

186 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
Pflanzgarten said:
Why do people keep saying next years AT will be a RB19 spin off, the rules don’t allow it. It’ll gain its front suspension but will in reality be a very different car.
I think it’s simply that AT did not take all of the allowed parts from Red Bull this year (most notably the pull-rod front suspension) but next year it will. I think this reflects the original strategy to prepare AT for a sale, so it needed more independence, but this has now been ruled out. As you say though, all the chassis and bodywork must be AT’s own work.

Jasandjules

69,988 posts

230 months

Monday 27th November 2023
quotequote all
Pflanzgarten said:
Why do people keep saying next years AT will be a RB19 spin off, the rules don’t allow it. It’ll gain its front suspension but will in reality be a very different car.
The question is whether the suspension operation is the key to the GE and grip.....

MrBig

2,736 posts

130 months

Monday 11th March
quotequote all
Well, we are 2 races on and we're not seeing much happen are we? I'm a big Danny Ric fan, but it's looking like Tsunoda is the better option for the 2nd RedBull next year, assuming he can learn to cope with team orders that is... hehe

TikTak

1,587 posts

20 months

Monday 11th March
quotequote all
Agreed. I was advocating for him to be back and at this point I can't see any advantage over having Lawson in that car.

With the VCARBs perceived performance increase the whole team have been underwhelming but last race watching DR tour round at the back and do nothing at all just seems pointless.

I'd even say sack off DR, put Perez in that car and let Lawson have the Red Bull drive. hehe

TheDeuce

21,990 posts

67 months

Monday 11th March
quotequote all
DR has utterly perplexed me. Pretty much everything else in F1, and the various drivers career journeys make sense to me, I can rationalise it.

DR...? Nope. He still has flashes of great potential but it's as if he's asleep 90% of the time. There's also plenty of evidence that those with the data believe in the potential, they must do, they keep paying him insane amounts of money and now Horner and Marko have bought him back to the RB family. What is it these decision makers are seeing that convinces them? And whatever it is, how come it doesn't translate into being an actual good driver?