Daniel Ricciardo

[740EVTORQUES]

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

[Speedywurzel]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Danny Ric should go do something else.

Loads of race series about that are enjoyable. Heck I think even NASCAR is more exciting to watch than F1 and everyone in it seems be some kind of Pantomime character. Including the crew chiefs.

Rednecks with paychecks would be a good weekend for Danny!

https://www.redneckswithpaychecks.com/

[AceRockatansky]

Muzzer79 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

I think it is remarkable to find 2 drivers who have maximized the use of the design and achieved 4+3 WDCs in turn.

This

McLaren (as an example) have been in F1 since the mid-sixties and have 'only' produced 7 world champions in those nigh-on 60 years. Only three of those have been multiple WDCs.

The Red Bull driver model is very high turnover, but that's arguably necessary to keep finding the Vettels and Verstappens.

Albon
Sainz
Ricciardo
Gasley

All ex RB Academy drivers currently on the grid.

5 out of 20 current F1 drivers came from RB. I'd say that's pretty impressive.

[suffolk009]

Zetec-S said:

suffolk009 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

But what team, at least in the modern era, has done better? Nearly 1/3 of the current grid have come from the program.

Nearly 1/3* of the current grid, but only two of them WDC. Perhaps that's not the success rate you think it is.

...* I make it a total of 5, which is 1/4 of the grid.

Edited by suffolk009 on Tuesday 26th March 06:17

[suffolk009]

Muzzer79 said:

This

McLaren (as an example) have been in F1 since the mid-sixties and have 'only' produced 7 world champions in those nigh-on 60 years. Only three of those have been multiple WDCs.

The Red Bull driver model is very high turnover, but that's arguably necessary to keep finding the Vettels and Verstappens.

To use your example, the two Red Bull teams have nearly 40 years combined between them, and have 2 WDCs. On simple maths alone Red Bull loses to McLaren.

[PRO5T]

Max wasn’t a red bull young driver until they signed him to Toro Rosso either. Granted Vettel was but he was part of BMW when he got his first drive after Kubicas accident.

[suffolk009]

PRO5T said:

Max wasn’t a red bull young driver until they signed him to Toro Rosso either. Granted Vettel was but he was part of BMW when he got his first drive after Kubicas accident.

I'd forgotten that.

[spikyone]

740EVTORQUES said:

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

Adapt? That's what other drivers have done.

There's been too much excuse-making and car-blaming for me to have any respect for DR now. The point has been made that he saw off Seb (who struggled subsequently so who knows where he was at by that point) and compared well to Max (who was a near-rookie that was quick but prone to doing daft things). Notwithstanding the observations in brackets there, if you're going to blame the car for your bad days you have to accept that your good days are also outside your control. You can't have it both ways.

The excuses - many on social media from heavily biased Aussie fans, who run Kubica's from his poor Williams years pretty close for their lack of F1 understanding - for his time at McLaren were embarrassing. "He was coming into Lando's team and the car was designed around Lando", we were told. That was swiftly disproved when the team had to use a clean sheet of paper for 2022 and he was even further off the pace. "He doesn't drive well in the GE cars" now. Well, that's fine: if you can't cut it in the current F1 cars, perhaps you simply don't belong in F1. I'm with others here, it's incomprehensible that he got the seat ahead of Lawson this year.

[RiseUp]

suffolk009 said:

Zetec-S said:

suffolk009 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

But what team, at least in the modern era, has done better? Nearly 1/3 of the current grid have come from the program.

Nearly 1/3* of the current grid, but only two of them WDC. Perhaps that's not the success rate you think it is.

...* I make it a total of 5, which is 1/4 of the grid.

Edited by suffolk009 on Tuesday 26th March 06:17

It’s not 80 chances, though, is it? Why would a WDC leave at the end of the season? And as someone else noted, there can only be 1 WDC and since 2010 they’ve had 7 of 14, a 50% success rate. I’d call that pretty successful.

[RiseUp]

In terms of Danny, the worrying part being he’s saying he feels like he’s putting a good lap in but the time isn’t there. That’s a bad place to be as a driver, surely?

[Zetec-S]

suffolk009 said:

Zetec-S said:

suffolk009 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

But what team, at least in the modern era, has done better? Nearly 1/3 of the current grid have come from the program.

Nearly 1/3* of the current grid, but only two of them WDC. Perhaps that's not the success rate you think it is.

...* I make it a total of 5, which is 1/4 of the grid.

Edited by suffolk009 on Tuesday 26th March 06:17

Max, Carlos, Daniel, Gasly, Albon & Yuki?

1/4 or 1/3 is still pretty impressive either way.

[isaldiri]

740EVTORQUES said:

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

He was already awful at Mclaren the year before ground effect came into play.......

[suffolk009]

Zetec-S said:

Max, Carlos, Daniel, Gasly, Albon & Yuki?

1/4 or 1/3 is still pretty impressive either way.

As PRO5T kindly pointed out above, Max was not a Young Red Bull driver. He joined them in Aug 2014, before racing with Torro Rosso in 2015.

The stats I'm referring to are for the number of WDCs the Red Bull Academy has produced. It appears, if we exclude Max, that just one WDC has been nurtured through their high profile "academy".

[Purosangue]

I'd like to be in his position ......................with a Hundred Million pounds to fall back on, not bad for a 34 year old

[matrignano]

740EVTORQUES said:

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

Didn't he do a time when testing the Red Bull at Silverstone last year that would have put him second on the grid?

[paulguitar]

matrignano said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

Didn't he do a time when testing the Red Bull at Silverstone last year that would have put him second on the grid?

I think he did, but comparisons on different days can be misleading. The track might have been significantly faster when he did his time than on the Grand Prix qualifying day.

[Zetec-S]

suffolk009 said:

Zetec-S said:

Max, Carlos, Daniel, Gasly, Albon & Yuki?

1/4 or 1/3 is still pretty impressive either way.

As PRO5T kindly pointed out above, Max was not a Young Red Bull driver. He joined them in Aug 2014, before racing with Torro Rosso in 2015.

The stats I'm referring to are for the number of WDCs the Red Bull Academy has produced. It appears, if we exclude Max, that just one WDC has been nurtured through their high profile "academy".

Yes yes yes, I know it doesn't count if Dr Marko wasn't there at the birth to stick them in racing overalls.

I know we like to hate RB (I don't particularly like them), but in the 20ish years in F1 they have produced or nutured 2 champions with 7 WDCs between them. Plus a number of other race winners and a sizeable portion of the current grid. Given that F1 team success tends to go in cycles, that's not a bad return considering the inevitable troughs they have had outside their peak years.

[TheDeuce]

paulguitar said:

matrignano said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Apparently he just doesn’t get on with the current ground effect cars, not much you can do about that

Didn't he do a time when testing the Red Bull at Silverstone last year that would have put him second on the grid?

I think he did, but comparisons on different days can be misleading. The track might have been significantly faster when he did his time than on the Grand Prix qualifying day.

That's often said, and it is definitely true that different day = impossible to make an accurate comparison

But is there any reason to believe the track could have been better on that filming day than it was after 1.5 days of heavy use by F1, F2, F3 etc?

I'm out and about right now but it might be interesting to look up the date of the test day and see what level of running at Silverstone preceded it.

[paulguitar]

TheDeuce said:

Mr. D.

I believe you owe my charity of choice £10.

[matrignano]

He tested on the 11th of July, 2 days after the Silverstone GP / 3 days after Quali.
Temps a few degrees higher on the day of his test according to Accuweather, not sure about cloud cover though and therefore track temp.
He was reportedly testing 2025 spec tyres which are meant to be harder than the contemporaneous rubber.

Ergo, his time was really very good!?