Total number of 996 turbos produced

[Sunnysidebb]

Does anyone know the total number of 996tt that were produced.

I was wondering just how common they are and how rare the might be in the future.
Especially if time shows they are more tune-able and have less systems to go wrong than the 997tt. They might be more desirable ?? who knows

Thanks.

[Porkie]

Sunnysidebb said:

Does anyone know the total number of 996tt that were produced.

I was wondering just how common they are and how rare the might be in the future.
Especially if time shows they are more tune-able and have less systems to go wrong than the 997tt. They might be more desirable ?? who knows

Thanks.

In my opinion, the 997 looks far better inside and out, and will always be more desirable.

a 996tt is NEVER going to be a rare car. LOTS made....

sounds like you are trying to talk yourself into buying one? as an investment? then you are MAD!

if you are buying one as they are great value performance cars then JUST DO IT!

Edited by Porkie on Thursday 24th June 11:32

[Womaniser]

Porkie said:

In my opinion, the 997 looks far better inside and out, and will always be more desirable.

a 996tt is NEVER going to be a rare car. LOTS made....

sounds like you are trying to talk yourself into buying one? as an investment? then you are MAD!

if you are buying one as they are great value performance cars then JUST DO IT!

+1

Sunnysidebb said:

..they are more tune-able and have less systems to go wrong than the 997tt....

What systems are more unreliable on a 997 Turbo?

[markcoznottz]

Womaniser said:

Porkie said:

In my opinion, the 997 looks far better inside and out, and will always be more desirable.

a 996tt is NEVER going to be a rare car. LOTS made....

sounds like you are trying to talk yourself into buying one? as an investment? then you are MAD!

if you are buying one as they are great value performance cars then JUST DO IT!

+1

Sunnysidebb said:

..they are more tune-able and have less systems to go wrong than the 997tt....

What systems are more unreliable on a 997 Turbo?

The 997tt runs more boost as standard, so its already in a higher state of tune. So a chipped 996tt is basically the same performance, but maybe not as instant spool up, having older style turbos, not variable geo like the 997. The sports chrono adds .2 extra boost, but not all the time. I think the 997 GT2 was slightly bigger laggier turbos but 1.2 bar? for 530 bhp. The OP might be reffering to stories about problems with the variable vane turbos running more boost, although why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

[Richard Hamilton]

Can't give you total numbers produced, but according to the Porsche Data Book (Marc Bongers), 11,248 996 Turbo Coupes were produced up to MY2002 worldwide.

[EvoSlayer]

In answer to your question mate, well according to Adrian Streathers book anyway, numbers are:

996 Turbo Coupe
MY2000 16
MY2001 5324
MY2002 5908
MY2003 4322
MY2004 1273
MY2005 122

996 Turbo Cab
MY2003 308
MY2004 3099
MY2005 127

996 Turbo S Coupe
MY2004 2
MY2005 598

996 Turbo S Cab
MY2004 3
MY2005 960

ETA, Pretty much stacks up with Mr Hamiltons opening bid

Edited by EvoSlayer on Thursday 24th June 19:42

[Womaniser]

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

[Sunnysidebb]

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

Now were talking.
I agree power is a drug. Just need more and more. Interesting to know you have a 997tt. Is it PDK. I have a Tip, its another reason I wont be going to K24 18g etc etc etc at the moment. Although there is a mod to the tip ( big mod though) that will allow the tip box to take 600/700+ rwhp.One day... who knows.
however back to earth for a moment, I have to admit my 996tt is all I need.....for now LOL

[markcoznottz]

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

So would a remap be about 1.2 bar all the time?. How would the remap affect the sports chrono or would you just not use it any more?.

[Sunnysidebb]

EvoSlayer said:

In answer to your question mate, well according to Adrian Streathers book anyway, numbers are:

996 Turbo Coupe
MY2000 16
MY2001 5324
MY2002 5908
MY2003 4322
MY2004 1273
MY2005 122

996 Turbo Cab
MY2003 308
MY2004 3099
MY2005 127

996 Turbo S Coupe
MY2004 2
MY2005 598

996 Turbo S Cab
MY2004 3
MY2005 960

ETA, Pretty much stacks up with Mr Hamiltons opening bid

Edited by EvoSlayer on Thursday 24th June 19:42

Thanks EvoSlayer and everybody else for the data.
It would seem 2001 & 2002 are where the largest volumes were sold. As to Turbo S a very small number in any year.
I am pleasantly surprised. I did think there were literally multiple thousands and thousands produced per year. To me 5k to 6k p/year still make them a relatively rare car. I dont see many 996tt when driving about. The only other car I have had which I saw less of on the road was my Escort RS Cosworth. If I ever saw one it was time to use the numbers in the reg and put a quid on the lotto.
Cheers again,
Frank

Edited by Sunnysidebb on Thursday 24th June 20:15

[Womaniser]

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

So would a remap be about 1.2 bar all the time?. How would the remap affect the sports chrono or would you just not use it any more?.

Pretty sure it boosts to 1.2 all the time now, haven't looked at the guage for a while. Still get the little arrow popping up, but will check at the weekend!

[Womaniser]

Sunnysidebb said:

...Interesting to know you have a 997tt. Is it PDK?...

No, it's manual with the factory fitted sport shift.

[markcoznottz]

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

So would a remap be about 1.2 bar all the time?. How would the remap affect the sports chrono or would you just not use it any more?.

Pretty sure it boosts to 1.2 all the time now, haven't looked at the guage for a while. Still get the little arrow popping up, but will check at the weekend!

Whats the little arrow?. Does that mean sports chrono activated?. You must have between 520-530 bhp. No wonder it feels fast.

[Womaniser]

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

So would a remap be about 1.2 bar all the time?. How would the remap affect the sports chrono or would you just not use it any more?.

Pretty sure it boosts to 1.2 all the time now, haven't looked at the guage for a while. Still get the little arrow popping up, but will check at the weekend!

Whats the little arrow?. Does that mean sports chrono activated?. You must have between 520-530 bhp. No wonder it feels fast.

The little arrow pops up when you are on overboost, it lasts for about 10 seconds.
Evo magazine did a Write up of the DMS remap, although the map was rewritten in early 2009 for approx 550BHP: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2082...

[markcoznottz]

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...why anyone would tune a 997tt is beyond me , so fast as standard...

You get used to the power and crave just that little bit more. I own a 997 Turbo and had a stage 1 DMS remap last year. The power is bonkers and this is the first time that I really don't feel the need for any more power for road use. 100MPH is a breeze and 150MPH comes up with just a twitch of the right foot!

So would a remap be about 1.2 bar all the time?. How would the remap affect the sports chrono or would you just not use it any more?.

Pretty sure it boosts to 1.2 all the time now, haven't looked at the guage for a while. Still get the little arrow popping up, but will check at the weekend!

Whats the little arrow?. Does that mean sports chrono activated?. You must have between 520-530 bhp. No wonder it feels fast.

The little arrow pops up when you are on overboost, it lasts for about 10 seconds.
Evo magazine did a Write up of the DMS remap, although the map was rewritten in early 2009 for approx 550BHP: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2082...

Is that rewritten chip for the 3.6 or 3.8?. I think some people on here are a bit suspicious of DMS figures they tend to err on the high side.

[Womaniser]

markcoznottz said:

...Is that rewritten chip for the 3.6 or 3.8?. I think some people on here are a bit suspicious of DMS figures they tend to err on the high side.

Mine's a 997.1 3.6. I wouldn't go back to a stock remap, the DMS map feels sooo much more flexible and powerful.

Edited by Womaniser on Thursday 24th June 21:09

[markcoznottz]

Womaniser said:

markcoznottz said:

...Is that rewritten chip for the 3.6 or 3.8?. I think some people on here are a bit suspicious of DMS figures they tend to err on the high side.

Mine's a 997.1 3.6. I wouldn't go back to a stock remap, the DMS map feels sooo much more flexible and powerful.

Edited by Womaniser on Thursday 24th June 21:09

They do hype thier products a bit too much, but plenty of people seem happy with what they do, including yourself. Like you said, if its fast enough just enjoy.

[ism123]

EvoSlayer said:

996 Turbo Coupe
MY2000 16

Edited by EvoSlayer on Thursday 24th June 19:42

When I sell mine then I'll have to add a bit on as it's 1 of only 16 ever produced. What premium for exclusivity??

[996ttalot]

ism123 said:

EvoSlayer said:

996 Turbo Coupe
MY2000 16

Edited by EvoSlayer on Thursday 24th June 19:42

When I sell mine then I'll have to add a bit on as it's 1 of only 16 ever produced. What premium for exclusivity??

I think the 996tts will become exclusive imo. With those production figures being low i would have thought that there must be a point when they will stablise or rise. I have been looking at 993c2s production figures which were 3714 in total. The prices of low mileage examples are as high as 45k, and that is not a turbo. I know which one I would have. Mine you saying that, 997c2s can be had for less than 993c2s values, but most turbo based cars and the GT variants do tend to go up eventually for those ones with low mileage and good history.
I am amazed at the 993c2s prices. It must be to do with the numbers produced as well.

[markcoznottz]

996ttalot said:

ism123 said:

EvoSlayer said:

996 Turbo Coupe
MY2000 16

Edited by EvoSlayer on Thursday 24th June 19:42

When I sell mine then I'll have to add a bit on as it's 1 of only 16 ever produced. What premium for exclusivity??

I think the 996tts will become exclusive imo. With those production figures being low i would have thought that there must be a point when they will stablise or rise. I have been looking at 993c2s production figures which were 3714 in total. The prices of low mileage examples are as high as 45k, and that is not a turbo. I know which one I would have. Mine you saying that, 997c2s can be had for less than 993c2s values, but most turbo based cars and the GT variants do tend to go up eventually for those ones with low mileage and good history.
I am amazed at the 993c2s prices. It must be to do with the numbers produced as well.

I wonder what the actual lowest price for a 996tt will be, safe coloured manual cars will always be more sought after. But what of cheap tips with teracotta or other mad interiors that may slip through at a lower price?. Surely these cars will never be £15k?. Cheapest 993tt on PH is £39,000, a good one is £50k, so more or less double what a 996tt is for a technically less able car. I just cant see running cost wise how a couple who had owned say, a focus st, decide to buy a 996tt in say 18 months time , and get reasonable insurance and road tax, will be able to stand £1600 for 2 new rear tyres, and new rads fitted for example. Then if they actually use the car, maybe 18 mpg around town. Assuming said car has no warranty, and an early car approaching 12 yrs old, could suffer wastgate problems,and associated problems with engine component corrosion, rear spoiler probs, need new spark plugs, maf, coil packs, battery, windscreen is exspensive if new needed, etc etc. This is exspensive stuff for someone who used to run a hot hatch and you cant just drop it in kwik fit. So where will the cheap cars go to? and who will run them?. I wonder if some would be worth more broken?.