Sunday Services and the future, your thoughts please
Discussion
atl said:
On the issue of timing the only way to get round this is to be very explicit in the organising info that people who arrive early will not be admitted until the advertised opening time.
It's not as easy as that though ... As you'd cause major traffic issues with everyone just queueing up and waiting.Kinky said:
atl said:
On the issue of timing the only way to get round this is to be very explicit in the organising info that people who arrive early will not be admitted until the advertised opening time.
It's not as easy as that though ... As you'd cause major traffic issues with everyone just queueing up and waiting.The roads around Goodwood for example can't handle 190 cars parked up for an hour.
eybic said:
HoHoHo said:
eybic said:
HoHoHo said:
I was amazed PH didn't have someone selling PH 'stuff' at the SS.
Seems bleeding bloody obvious to be honest
We don't keep stock, most of it's printed to order. Seems bleeding bloody obvious to be honest
My thoughts...
Accountability, agree on both counts, I removed my name early Sunday because 120 mile round trip in that weather didn`t appeal, doubtless the reason behind many other no shows. If you can`t be arsed to remove your name then 3 strikes seems perfectly fair. If you`re proven to drive like a k**b and jeopardise the future enjoyment of thousands of others then 3 chances are two too many imho.
Donations to a charity are a great idea and one that I would fully support. I do think that any donation should remain voluntary, some can afford more than others, even a few bits of shrapnel adds up to a worthwhile amount when its all counted. My personal choice would be for the event host to nominate the beneficiary, many of them will have a local worthy cause that they support.
Timing..You`re on your own there, let us know what you decide to do.
I too like the idea of a PH merchandise stall,
Accountability, agree on both counts, I removed my name early Sunday because 120 mile round trip in that weather didn`t appeal, doubtless the reason behind many other no shows. If you can`t be arsed to remove your name then 3 strikes seems perfectly fair. If you`re proven to drive like a k**b and jeopardise the future enjoyment of thousands of others then 3 chances are two too many imho.
Donations to a charity are a great idea and one that I would fully support. I do think that any donation should remain voluntary, some can afford more than others, even a few bits of shrapnel adds up to a worthwhile amount when its all counted. My personal choice would be for the event host to nominate the beneficiary, many of them will have a local worthy cause that they support.
Timing..You`re on your own there, let us know what you decide to do.
I too like the idea of a PH merchandise stall,
It worked very well at Rolls Royce where there was a £5 donation to do the factory tour and I think most people did this.
people will always turn up early and I accept sometimes gates cannot be open early and it depends on the locality if there is easy queueing or somewhere close by to go.
A lot of the sunday services depend on the hospitality of a manufacturer etc and they have to call the shots and their rules have to be respected
people will always turn up early and I accept sometimes gates cannot be open early and it depends on the locality if there is easy queueing or somewhere close by to go.
A lot of the sunday services depend on the hospitality of a manufacturer etc and they have to call the shots and their rules have to be respected
I agree on the accountability, these are free events, if the people attending them cause a nuisance, we won't be able to have them in future.
I think you need to be clear that you can't let people in before the opening time and that if people do arrive early then they should go and find somewhere to wait without causing an obstruction. It's not too difficult to find a petrol station or supermarket nearby, where they can get a cup of coffee. As you are running an entry list, it's not like they are not going to get in because they went away and didn't get back until after the opening time.
I think you need to be clear that you can't let people in before the opening time and that if people do arrive early then they should go and find somewhere to wait without causing an obstruction. It's not too difficult to find a petrol station or supermarket nearby, where they can get a cup of coffee. As you are running an entry list, it's not like they are not going to get in because they went away and didn't get back until after the opening time.
Accountability - rather than putting a reg number onto who-knows-what database, why not just note down registration numbers as people are checked off at the entry point? Then, if there is bad driving, it shouldn't be too troublesome to match the reg number to the member and send them an e-mail. It also means that people don't need to determine which cars to bring in advance, and if at the end of each event the lists are destroyed (having noted those who need to be put on the naughty step) then there are no "data protection" issues for people to worry about. It will also be obvious who hasn't turned up as there won't be a reg number by their name.
Donation - a good idea but I'd not have them at the entry or exit points as it will delay matters and cause congestion whilst people hunt for change. A few bucket shakers at key "people heavy" points would probably be sufficient for those who want to donate?
Timing - there is little that you can do. Goodwood is probably a bad example because the "usual" breakfast clubs there start so early that perhaps it was assumed the same would be the case here. At other events (e.g. MBW) I recall that the entry road has a physical barrier.
I think that many people perhaps don't check their e-mail so forget to take themselves off the list – so perhaps you only make it onto the calendar by clicking a link (sent to your registered e-mail address) to confirm attendance?
I also wonder if this topic should be in General Gassing - whilst the Sunday Services are very popular I doubt many people check the sub-forums.
Donation - a good idea but I'd not have them at the entry or exit points as it will delay matters and cause congestion whilst people hunt for change. A few bucket shakers at key "people heavy" points would probably be sufficient for those who want to donate?
Timing - there is little that you can do. Goodwood is probably a bad example because the "usual" breakfast clubs there start so early that perhaps it was assumed the same would be the case here. At other events (e.g. MBW) I recall that the entry road has a physical barrier.
I think that many people perhaps don't check their e-mail so forget to take themselves off the list – so perhaps you only make it onto the calendar by clicking a link (sent to your registered e-mail address) to confirm attendance?
I also wonder if this topic should be in General Gassing - whilst the Sunday Services are very popular I doubt many people check the sub-forums.
Firstly, I love these events and really appreciate the efforts that the team go to, to make them so enjoyable. Part of the charm is the relaxed nature of the events but I do appreciate that the scale now means that some rules need to be imposed.
Accountability
Agree with principle and 3 strike rule
Suggestion – 12:00 Saturday cut off for name removal thus giving reserve list a chance to make plans to attend. Need to be clear that reserve list names have a duty to also remove themselves or check if they are in by Sat 12:00
Accountability 2
Quite happy with this. Hopefully we are all sensible enough to know the difference between a spirited departure and a set of elevens. Respect of each other’s safety and our host’s property is paramount to the ongoing success of these events.
Charity
More than happy with buckets on entrance/at events. Certainly should be discretionary.
Timing
A cause analysis is required on this one. I guess contributors to this are parking location (arrive early and get a prime place/not overflow parking), get in early to avoid queuing, distance travelled v traffic, early in early out to get on with days plans. Don’t know how you will overcome this one apart from maybe a holding area like at Rolls Royce.
How about a Sunday Service Club?
Sign up, log your cars registrations, specify your charitable donation amount per event (with gift aid) and receive a barcode sticker for event admission (could even be circular to be placed in the redundant tax disk holder!). This barcode could be scanned for admission/accountability.
Future functionality could be home town locator and whether you will take passengers to events/join convoys.
Debate could be held about member benefits (09:00 –10:00 entrance slot, 1 day early sign up priority).
In 2014 it would be great to have more meets with the chance to see cars on the move. Silverstone with track time was great. More like this (tracks/VMax/drag) would be great.
Here’s to a great 2014
Accountability
Agree with principle and 3 strike rule
Suggestion – 12:00 Saturday cut off for name removal thus giving reserve list a chance to make plans to attend. Need to be clear that reserve list names have a duty to also remove themselves or check if they are in by Sat 12:00
Accountability 2
Quite happy with this. Hopefully we are all sensible enough to know the difference between a spirited departure and a set of elevens. Respect of each other’s safety and our host’s property is paramount to the ongoing success of these events.
Charity
More than happy with buckets on entrance/at events. Certainly should be discretionary.
Timing
A cause analysis is required on this one. I guess contributors to this are parking location (arrive early and get a prime place/not overflow parking), get in early to avoid queuing, distance travelled v traffic, early in early out to get on with days plans. Don’t know how you will overcome this one apart from maybe a holding area like at Rolls Royce.
How about a Sunday Service Club?
Sign up, log your cars registrations, specify your charitable donation amount per event (with gift aid) and receive a barcode sticker for event admission (could even be circular to be placed in the redundant tax disk holder!). This barcode could be scanned for admission/accountability.
Future functionality could be home town locator and whether you will take passengers to events/join convoys.
Debate could be held about member benefits (09:00 –10:00 entrance slot, 1 day early sign up priority).
In 2014 it would be great to have more meets with the chance to see cars on the move. Silverstone with track time was great. More like this (tracks/VMax/drag) would be great.
Here’s to a great 2014
astra la vista said:
eybic said:
HoHoHo said:
Yep, understand that but smilies etc.?
I'll put it on the list charge £5 for them and that could be our charity donation.
Firstly Love the SS meets, iv'e been to a few and enjoyed them greatly. I Fully agree with the accountability of turning up. Maybe and app to scan at the gate linked to your profile, the other side is that you can implement a warning system accordingly but it has its flaws.
The leaving accountability is difficult as at any motoring event it happens and some are lucky some are not and accidents happen.
Charity collection is great but not to the point where it is forced down your throat.
Timing: Tricky but the GW Breakfast club wont open the gates until said time and make sure traffic is kept moving. But haven't been for a while so might of changed.
Also when do i get my lurker award
The leaving accountability is difficult as at any motoring event it happens and some are lucky some are not and accidents happen.
Charity collection is great but not to the point where it is forced down your throat.
Timing: Tricky but the GW Breakfast club wont open the gates until said time and make sure traffic is kept moving. But haven't been for a while so might of changed.
Also when do i get my lurker award
Garlick, Sunday was great - thanks to you and all your helpers.
I totally agree with your suggestions.
As you know I'm keen on charitable donations especially where there is a particular individual or non-profit organisation involved.
As for entrance time it should be a condition of attending that no-one arrives early - not fair on you as organisers or the venue staff.
Your dinner party analogy is correct and around most SS venues there are some half decent roads on which to kill time (without disturbing the locals of course!).
I'd be interested to know if it's the spit and polish brigade who turn up early?
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Pewe.
I totally agree with your suggestions.
As you know I'm keen on charitable donations especially where there is a particular individual or non-profit organisation involved.
As for entrance time it should be a condition of attending that no-one arrives early - not fair on you as organisers or the venue staff.
Your dinner party analogy is correct and around most SS venues there are some half decent roads on which to kill time (without disturbing the locals of course!).
I'd be interested to know if it's the spit and polish brigade who turn up early?
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Pewe.
Accountability - fine: Sign up & don't show on a couple of occasions, and you're banned from future events. You'd have to make sure your checking system was pretty foolproof though.
Charity: Fine, have always thought you should do this.
Timing: Just turn people away if they show up before 9am. People get the idea that they'll always be able to get in a bit early, so they turn up early to get a good spot/beat the queue. If they knew they wouldn't be able to get in, they wouldn't show up early.
Accountability - yes, no-shows who don't remove their names online merit some sort of sanction. I wouldn't bother with warnings/etc. Just make them automatically go on the reserve lists for (say) the next 3 SSs.
I agree that the only way to stop the early birds is to turn them away (i.e. for the whole event). Will doubtless create some aggro for the gatekeeper. But the message will get through that it's not that difficult to park in a nearby layby or cafe if your journey has taken less time than you expected.
Charity - good.
I agree that the only way to stop the early birds is to turn them away (i.e. for the whole event). Will doubtless create some aggro for the gatekeeper. But the message will get through that it's not that difficult to park in a nearby layby or cafe if your journey has taken less time than you expected.
Charity - good.
For arrival times, how about like the raves back in the good old days - say there will be a Sunday Service in a given area, for example 50 miles Milton Keynes (or where ever) and then post the actual location early on the morning 
Thinking about it, it may end up as a bit of a Gumball to see who can get there first
Thinking about it, it may end up as a bit of a Gumball to see who can get there first
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