Re: Driven: Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring
Discussion
Agoogy said:
Yawn indeed "it's a Vauxhall 
".... or in PH subtext.. "Can I join your gang, I need friends and can easily trawl out the same old stereotypical drivel"
Its very odd when PH people who LOVE performance cars come here to deride a brand that continue to develop high performance cars and in some cases do it very well.. brings a football club type allegiance to the whole thing...proper daft IMO.
Quite right. Vauxhall continue to invest in motorsport and it wasn't that long ago they would sell you a VX220, yet people seem to associate them with Diesel rep-mobiles.... which incidentally, they do rather well. ".... or in PH subtext.. "Can I join your gang, I need friends and can easily trawl out the same old stereotypical drivel"Its very odd when PH people who LOVE performance cars come here to deride a brand that continue to develop high performance cars and in some cases do it very well.. brings a football club type allegiance to the whole thing...proper daft IMO.
Snoggledog said:
Obviously there's more going on than has been reported in the article but I still think that 22k is silly when you take a look in the PH classifieds for cars of similar value.
But the PH classifieds are for 2nd hand cars 
You can't compare brand new cars with 2nd hand ones as there is no logic in that argument. As already said in the article (if you bothered to read to the end) its priced in the same ballpark area as similar oposition. But the griffin badge seems to be all that most on here are focussed on.
Strange really because i'm quite content with a car that has a griffin on the front and that cost £48k back in 1990. Just imagine the outcry on forums that would have stirred up if the internet had been around at the time
NotNormal said:
But the PH classifieds are for 2nd hand cars
You can't compare brand new cars with 2nd hand ones as there is no logic in that argument. As already said in the article (if you bothered to read to the end) its priced in the same ballpark area as similar oposition. But the griffin badge seems to be all that most on here are focussed on.
Strange really because i'm quite content with a car that has a griffin on the front and that cost £48k back in 1990. Just imagine the outcry on forums that would have stirred up if the internet had been around at the time
See my previous note. You can't compare brand new cars with 2nd hand ones as there is no logic in that argument. As already said in the article (if you bothered to read to the end) its priced in the same ballpark area as similar oposition. But the griffin badge seems to be all that most on here are focussed on.
Strange really because i'm quite content with a car that has a griffin on the front and that cost £48k back in 1990. Just imagine the outcry on forums that would have stirred up if the internet had been around at the time
Young young-ish people (<25yr old), who seem to be the demographic of the VXR brand, are not spending their hard earned on hoses just now as they just can't afford them. These people, who are not of the "young professional" or post-graduate ilk, are driving fairly new hot hatches nowadays. Getting HP for a £20k car is easy if you live with Mum and earn £20k+/yr.
This will sell as well as VX hope it will.
This will sell as well as VX hope it will.
So lets have a think about this, you're in your early 20s you live at your mums and you decide to buy this. Finance is going to be at least £450 per month, insurance at least £100, petrol £150 (you are always in your car if you live at your folks) so you are looking at spending circa £700 per month to drive around in a Corsa. Suddenly a mortgage looks like a good idea. Apologies for being an old misery and apologies for comparing to second hand cars but if you are tempted to buy this do yourself a favour and take a 145 cloverleaf for a test drive. By buying this Corsa you are fueling manufacturers to constantly push the prices of new cars up to beyond its already ridiculous level.
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Goodfella 555 said:
So lets have a think about this, you're in your early 20s you live at your mums and you decide to buy this. Finance is going to be at least £450 per month, insurance at least £100, petrol £150 (you are always in your car if you live at your folks) so you are looking at spending circa £700 per month to drive around in a Corsa. Suddenly a mortgage looks like a good idea. Apologies for being an old misery and apologies for comparing to second hand cars but if you are tempted to buy this do yourself a favour and take a 145 cloverleaf for a test drive. By buying this Corsa you are fueling manufacturers to constantly push the prices of new cars up to beyond its already ridiculous level.
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You'll be able to get one of these for £250-300/month with a balloon payment at the end so you never really own the car. You'd also be paying similar petrol and insurance costs with a cheaper (to buy) second hand car.Edited - spelling error
Factor in household running costs and you're looking at £1000/month to have a house, or £500/month to run a car and use the other £500/month for nightclubs and a holiday to Ibiza. I see a lot of it tbh and I've tried to tell the apprentices and such like at my work to buy now as houses are cheap, but they don't see it like that. There are more <30yr olds still living with their parents now than in the past 30 years. This opens up a market for companies like Vauxhall and their VXr brand, where a certain demographic has a reasonably large expendable income to waste.
rodgerramjet said:
Young young-ish people (<25yr old), who seem to be the demographic of the VXR brand, are not spending their hard earned on hoses just now as they just can't afford them. These people, who are not of the "young professional" or post-graduate ilk, are driving fairly new hot hatches nowadays. Getting HP for a £20k car is easy if you live with Mum and earn £20k+/yr.
This will sell as well as VX hope it will.
My impression is that young professionals who can afford this (it's not exactly cheap) are the kind who would rather get an A3 1.9 TDI in silver or BMW 118d in black.This will sell as well as VX hope it will.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
rodgerramjet said:
You'll be able to get one of these for £250-300/month with a balloon payment at the end so you never really own the car. You'd also be paying similar petrol and insurance costs with a cheaper (to buy) second hand car.
Factor in household running costs and you're looking at £1000/month to have a house, or £500/month to run a car and use the other £500/month for nightclubs and a holiday to Ibiza. I see a lot of it tbh and I've tried to tell the apprentices and such like at my work to buy now as houses are cheap, but they don't see it like that. There are more <30yr olds still living with their parents now than in the past 30 years. This opens up a market for companies like Vauxhall and their VXr brand, where a certain demographic has a reasonably large expendable income to waste.
Fair point, normally on PH when cars are compared to houses its £200k + supercars! I am more than aware i am being a miserable sod Factor in household running costs and you're looking at £1000/month to have a house, or £500/month to run a car and use the other £500/month for nightclubs and a holiday to Ibiza. I see a lot of it tbh and I've tried to tell the apprentices and such like at my work to buy now as houses are cheap, but they don't see it like that. There are more <30yr olds still living with their parents now than in the past 30 years. This opens up a market for companies like Vauxhall and their VXr brand, where a certain demographic has a reasonably large expendable income to waste.
g3org3y said:
My impression is that young professionals who can afford this (it's not exactly cheap) are the kind who would rather get an A3 1.9 TDI in silver or BMW 118d in black.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
rodgerramjet said:
... These people, who are not of the "young professional" or post-graduate ilk...
EDLT said:
Steameh said:
80-120 in 6.2 seconds, really? What a strange stat as well.
If true that is pretty quick, the only comparable stat I can think of is that the old Corsa VXR was 10-11seconds 60-100.
Its not that weird, the 128.74752kph - 193.12128kph test is the norm in euroland.If true that is pretty quick, the only comparable stat I can think of is that the old Corsa VXR was 10-11seconds 60-100.
But in what gear? Pretty sure mine would be quicker than that if I was in say 3rd...
rodgerramjet said:
g3org3y said:
My impression is that young professionals who can afford this (it's not exactly cheap) are the kind who would rather get an A3 1.9 TDI in silver or BMW 118d in black.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
rodgerramjet said:
... These people, who are not of the "young professional" or post-graduate ilk...
g3org3y said:
My impression is that young professionals who can afford this (it's not exactly cheap) are the kind who would rather get an A3 1.9 TDI in silver or BMW 118d in black.
Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
Vauxhall will sell 250 a year (500 in total) without a problem.Individuals in this wage bracket who are car enthusiasts will already be weighing up second hand options.
As for enthusiasts only wanting the 2nd hand option, I beg to differ as a lot of people quite like the magic word of Warranty(If your in the market for a new car then you'll only compare to other new cars imho)
If the guy above who's knocked 4k off the RRP are reflective of deals to be had then this car stacks up nicely as a good option
Beanoir said:
Very good point, and for another £2k you get yourself into the current E90 M3!
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2301051.htm
Trouble is it doesn't come with 0% and free insurance and all that jazz, which is what youngsters need given the high cost of motoring for under 25s these days.
What about the running costs?? an M3 costs nearly 4 times as much to service and keep on the road, and cars at the price you've quoted with no warranty and i suspect very soon bills for repair..... £24999 is only the start of it!http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2301051.htm
Trouble is it doesn't come with 0% and free insurance and all that jazz, which is what youngsters need given the high cost of motoring for under 25s these days.
I'm not sure 22K is that bad, i mean a TDI golf these days is nudging 20K and the GTD golf costs £25500 before too many fancy options! and the last one i drove was more than just boring! plain dull sorry vw fans!
dont even start me on the Poor basic spec of the Golf R and the Scirocco R!
This Corsa is not much more money than the Polo GTI, by the time you match the specs the polo is nearly 20K, and the corsa will out drive the polo, i'm also sure there will be a discount on list.
I was offered a megane RS on PCP, new with nearly Every option from factory, List 28999, for 23K on the road, so PCP/Cash deals are out there.
Also doubt there are many 0% purchase deals left, last one i saw needed a 50% dep, hardley a deal.
I was loaned a standard 189hp VXR, on 18" with the full leather and phone kit, in arden blue, i had that on a business loan for 3 days, and it was a very good all round car, and in most areas as fast as the Astra, i can imagine this new one being very good and faster and better polished on handling, id have it over the tacky french plastic Clio's anyday.
I'm not pro vauxhall, far from it, but compared to the french stuff and the poor choice from ford these days, i welcome the VXR range, all credit to them to keep making these cars given hard times, high fuel costs, and silly EU emissions rules! what do honda offer now? toyota? nissan? citroen? ford? not a great deal really RS/ST Focus excluded and the 370z what else can you buy from these lot?....you can buy a VXR in most models, and then there is the VXR8's......i say keep up the good work as we will all moan when the only car on offer is a 1.4T SRI with 140hp! enjoy these cars while you still can!
Andy.
Edited by andyman_2006 on Friday 13th May 00:54
This little beauty is getting a few roused up on the boards. I agree this car is the not the most inspiring, let face it cruising in a vauxhall is not going to impress the women... well maybe in your world
One this Vauxhall has going for it is that if you compare fuel economy across their entire range they stack up pretty well in that department.
One this Vauxhall has going for it is that if you compare fuel economy across their entire range they stack up pretty well in that department.
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