An Impreza did a 113mph average at the TT what to do better?
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Has a full WRC spec car ever been around the TT course? Be intresting to see how fast that could go. Not going to have as hi top speeed but would have plenty of go out of the corners and in the tighter stuff.
Think a factory built Ultma GTR would probably be hard to beat also. although maybe the new Radical SL would also stand a pretty good chance. Then there is the R35 GTR.....
Chris.
Think a factory built Ultma GTR would probably be hard to beat also. although maybe the new Radical SL would also stand a pretty good chance. Then there is the R35 GTR.....
Chris.
dudleybloke said:
shoestring7 said:
FWIW I have seen an in-period photograph of Derek Bell standing next to a Rothmans 956 (962?) taken in the Isle of Man.
I've not been able to found out what he and it was doing there, or if he did any serious driving.
SS7
any chance of posting it up?I've not been able to found out what he and it was doing there, or if he did any serious driving.
SS7
SS7
PS Bell is a neighbour, I saw him the other day and meant to ask him about it. But he was in a hurry and I'm no stalker! BTW he had foraken his usual Bentley Conti and was in an Audi, and A2. Top man.
shoestring7 said:
I've had a quick look and can't find it on t'internet. I saw it in one of the Porsche maGS, probably only in the last month or two.
SS7
PS Bell is a neighbour, I saw him the other day and meant to ask him about it. But he was in a hurry and I'm no stalker! BTW he had foraken his usual Bentley Conti and was in an Audi, and A2. Top man.
Would you mind asking him if he ever raced on the south ring which was used up until the late 70's and was a little bit easier than the north ring which is all that exists today. SS7
PS Bell is a neighbour, I saw him the other day and meant to ask him about it. But he was in a hurry and I'm no stalker! BTW he had foraken his usual Bentley Conti and was in an Audi, and A2. Top man.
I met Herbert once at silverstone on one of the Le mans series races the day before the race wished him all the best for the race and then had a short chat about the event. Seemed a decent chap to me and no I wasn't stalking I was wondering round the car prep areas checking out the cars being worked on.
y2blade said:
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Coming soon! TT Challenge - the Subaru Record
British Rally Driver Mark Higgins in a Subaru WRX STI set a new record for a car lapping the Isle of Man TT course at the 2011 Isle of Man TT. The Subaru set a time of 19 mins 37.4 seconds around the 37.7 mile Isle of Man TT course.
"It was the biggest moment of my life" Mark Higgins
Triple British rally champion Higgins, 40, was attempting to set the fastest average speed for a four-wheeled vehicle around the closed-road circuit, which runs through towns and over the 2,000ft Snaefell Mountain. Set by the late Tony Pond in a heavily modified Rover 827 Vitesse, the record had stood at 102mph for 21 years.
“I’ve tried to do this for a decade,” says Higgins. Several manufacturers have shown interest in supporting such a bid for this TT Challenge, but he’d never been able to secure permission from the TT authorities. Subaru was the first manufacturer to be given the opportunity since 1990 and Higgins was the only man for the job; he’s Manx born and bred.
“The car is basically a stock 2.5-litre STI,” says Higgins. “It has modified brake pads, but the brakes are otherwise standard. We put rally suspension on because of the jumps and the high speeds. For safety, we have a roll cage, fire extinguisher and bucket seats."
“In terms of the engine, the biggest thing is the straight-through rally exhaust, which was a requirement of the organisers so they could hear us coming. It probably lifts power to the mid 300s [bhp].”
Critically, the Subaru was fitted with road-legal but track-orientated Pirelli P Zero Trofeo tyres, whereas Pond used competition slicks.
“Before I did my first run, I was not confident of doing a 100mph lap. We came here with a near stock car, which I hadn’t driven before it arrived on the island, and we weren't on slick tyres. The biggest surprise was finding out that I’d averaged 113.5mph on my first lap. To do that in a mostly standard car on road tyres is almost unbelievable. It was a dream come true.”
At his first attempt, Higgins smashed Pond’s benchmark. Despite the Bray Hill incident, he managed 110.5mph on his second run. The following day he’d go on to set an average speed of 115.3mph with a lap time of 19min 37.4sec, two minutes quicker than Pond.
The scale of this TT Challenge could lead Higgins’s record to outlast Pond’s.
Order dispatched today 19 September 2011. Pre-order now to ensure direct dispatch when new stock arrives.
http://www.dukevideo.com/Isle-of-Man-TT/TT-DVDs/Ev...
Coming soon! TT Challenge - the Subaru Record
British Rally Driver Mark Higgins in a Subaru WRX STI set a new record for a car lapping the Isle of Man TT course at the 2011 Isle of Man TT. The Subaru set a time of 19 mins 37.4 seconds around the 37.7 mile Isle of Man TT course.
"It was the biggest moment of my life" Mark Higgins
Triple British rally champion Higgins, 40, was attempting to set the fastest average speed for a four-wheeled vehicle around the closed-road circuit, which runs through towns and over the 2,000ft Snaefell Mountain. Set by the late Tony Pond in a heavily modified Rover 827 Vitesse, the record had stood at 102mph for 21 years.
“I’ve tried to do this for a decade,” says Higgins. Several manufacturers have shown interest in supporting such a bid for this TT Challenge, but he’d never been able to secure permission from the TT authorities. Subaru was the first manufacturer to be given the opportunity since 1990 and Higgins was the only man for the job; he’s Manx born and bred.
“The car is basically a stock 2.5-litre STI,” says Higgins. “It has modified brake pads, but the brakes are otherwise standard. We put rally suspension on because of the jumps and the high speeds. For safety, we have a roll cage, fire extinguisher and bucket seats."
“In terms of the engine, the biggest thing is the straight-through rally exhaust, which was a requirement of the organisers so they could hear us coming. It probably lifts power to the mid 300s [bhp].”
Critically, the Subaru was fitted with road-legal but track-orientated Pirelli P Zero Trofeo tyres, whereas Pond used competition slicks.
“Before I did my first run, I was not confident of doing a 100mph lap. We came here with a near stock car, which I hadn’t driven before it arrived on the island, and we weren't on slick tyres. The biggest surprise was finding out that I’d averaged 113.5mph on my first lap. To do that in a mostly standard car on road tyres is almost unbelievable. It was a dream come true.”
At his first attempt, Higgins smashed Pond’s benchmark. Despite the Bray Hill incident, he managed 110.5mph on his second run. The following day he’d go on to set an average speed of 115.3mph with a lap time of 19min 37.4sec, two minutes quicker than Pond.
The scale of this TT Challenge could lead Higgins’s record to outlast Pond’s.
still over 2 mins behind lap record, thats a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxm3YQdF8io&lis...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxm3YQdF8io&lis...
yonex said:
hmmmm you haven't seen this then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxm3YQdF8io&lis...
How many times?
A properly setup bespoke race car would destroy any bike on the island. Racing comes down to grip and HP at the end of the day and you cant argue with the contact patch of cars. Having raced bikes and owned and driven plenty of fast cars its not really a surprise to me that a bike isn't going to be the fastest point to point thing, unfortunately less seasoned observers find this difficult to comprehend. Imagine a rally car with tarmac gearing that has a bit of extra compliance, that is all it would take to put this myth to bed.
How many times?
A properly setup bespoke race car would destroy any bike on the island. Racing comes down to grip and HP at the end of the day and you cant argue with the contact patch of cars. Having raced bikes and owned and driven plenty of fast cars its not really a surprise to me that a bike isn't going to be the fastest point to point thing, unfortunately less seasoned observers find this difficult to comprehend. Imagine a rally car with tarmac gearing that has a bit of extra compliance, that is all it would take to put this myth to bed.
alleywatson said:
still over 2 mins behind lap record, thats a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxm3YQdF8io&lis...
You can't win. Let it go.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxm3YQdF8io&lis...
alleywatson said:
hmmmm you haven't seen this then
This is clearly an advert. It's posted by Aprilla to make one of their bikes look good under ideal circumstances.I don't watch a car advert to get an unbiased opinion of how good it is. Similarly, this doesn't provide me with convincing evidence that an ideal bike would be faster than an ideal car around the IOM.
Edited by blearyeyedboy on Saturday 21st January 00:43
The bike lap record is, of course, hardly ever a result of a full flying lap, at each lap except the last they are either standing starting or slowing down for the pit stop. On the last lap, waer and tear and fatigue tend to take their toll on bike and rider.
As a one off demo, starting as the Subaru did a few miles up the road, on a one lap fuel load and nice new tyres, the bike current lap record would be beaten by a handy margin IMO.
I think it would be easier for 4 wheels to beat a TT bike over say 6 laps, as the tyre changing is so much quicker.
As a one off demo, starting as the Subaru did a few miles up the road, on a one lap fuel load and nice new tyres, the bike current lap record would be beaten by a handy margin IMO.
I think it would be easier for 4 wheels to beat a TT bike over say 6 laps, as the tyre changing is so much quicker.
Edited by s3fella on Saturday 21st January 01:21
EDLT said:
Why would you lurk for so long just to bump every TT thread with the same video?
Because his sidecars have already been whooped by a near standard Impreza, and he now can't stand the thought of his precious motorcycles getting whooped too. Hope Higgy gets another go next year and make these people sweat more.y2blade said:
Due for release on
19 September 2011. Pre-order now to ensure direct dispatch when new stock arrives.
http://www.dukevideo.com/Isle-of-Man-TT/TT-DVDs/Ev...
Coming soon! TT Challenge - the Subaru Record
Ahhhh, so that explains the lack of on board footgae on the net.19 September 2011. Pre-order now to ensure direct dispatch when new stock arrives.
http://www.dukevideo.com/Isle-of-Man-TT/TT-DVDs/Ev...
Coming soon! TT Challenge - the Subaru Record
They did bloody well not to have any 'leaks' (or have I just missed them?)
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