RE: SOTW: Audi V8
Discussion
The spirital successor to the V8 is the Passat W8? When will they get to shed territory?
Did they make the V8 in the Avant body too? How much of the cult status of the RS2 is due to it being a wagon? Did Audi miss a chance by not doing a V8 Avant? They made the C4 S6 V8 as an Avant.
Given the extra weight, extra drag and autobox, I doubt it would be that much faster than a 200 Turbo, it would just get there differently.
Did they make the V8 in the Avant body too? How much of the cult status of the RS2 is due to it being a wagon? Did Audi miss a chance by not doing a V8 Avant? They made the C4 S6 V8 as an Avant.
Given the extra weight, extra drag and autobox, I doubt it would be that much faster than a 200 Turbo, it would just get there differently.
Oddly enough there was a german registered one of these at the Abingdon Airfield Trackday yesterday - parked in the pitlane. Being driven by by 3 german engineers on a banger rally.
The guy was showing me the discs, I had never heard of that brake design before.
They were convinced the car had never been sold in Britain.
Apparently all the German ones are going into the eastern bloc.
The guy was showing me the discs, I had never heard of that brake design before.
They were convinced the car had never been sold in Britain.
Apparently all the German ones are going into the eastern bloc.
Mark M said:
Apparently all the German ones are going into the eastern bloc.
That makes it sound like they've all been called and are moving slowly there, without drivers or apparent propulsion...It's also the German version of "they're all owned by drug dealers and
s" I suspect...Didn't the Eastern Bloc sort-of cease-to-exist some time ago?
ScoobieWRX said:
fluffnik said:
We only need to know our speed's numerical value to comply with a bad arbitrary law...
I don't agree with the majority of our speed limits either however, if you don't know exactly how fast you're going without the aid of your speedo or GPS, and happen to be going faster than you should, i sincerely hope you don't get a tug from the law for speeding. How about keeping your licence 'SAFE'. ScoobieWRX said:
Equally if you hit a pedestrian at 30 it's got to be better than hitting them at 35 or 40. Think of all the extra damage to your car due to the extra 5 or 10mph.
The numbers don't matter, it's about keeping the speed appropriate to the degree of separation that matters if you don't want to hit pedestrians.mrpenks said:
This is astonishing for so little outlay. Does anyone know what sort of mileage this engine can cope with before needing major work?
As with any car that entirely depends on how well it's been maintained - and there's a LOT of it to maintain.Let's be honest tho - it's £900, will use fuel like it's going out of fashion and it's gearbox is probably the weakspot anyway (as it's effectively irreplacable).
Upside to that is that if the engine did let go, you'd have a gearbox to sell - and if you can afford to fuel it, you can afford to lose a few quid on it too
johnpeat said:
Upside to that is that if the engine did let go, you'd have a gearbox to sell - and if you can afford to fuel it, you can afford to lose a few quid on it too
Cambelt failure excepted I can see the engine outliving the autobox.The 100 S4 also had the flying saucer front discs.
There was a maroon Avant on eBay a few months ago, the seller was Andover/Thruxton/Basingstoke way that had put the normal discs from the later C4 S6 on it.
carinaman said:
I like Audis, I like Audis of this period but a lot of shooting the breeze in this thread. I can only speak having tinkered with 3 of the same bodied straight 5 100s. I'm not a fan of modern Audis.
Well done on ITech mentioning the Autoboxes going pop. Look at a turn of the century copy of the Parkers used guide to see mention of Autobox failure on V8s and the scracity of replacements. The used S8/A8 piece in PPC mag. a few years ago mentioned Autoboxes failing and it's mentioned in many adverts for used A8s. It's all very well saying service and refill the automatic transmission but is that really going to make up for that not being done over the last two decades and a handful of owners?
Six pages in before any mention of the boxes failing.
Perhaps the value of the rear diff to an S2 tweaker will go someway to making up the value of a unserviceable autobox?
Thanks Veeayt, I wasn't aware of the stretched version or that they did this with a manual box. I knew the later C4 S6 was available in Europe with the 4.2 V8 and the 6 speed manual, but didn't know this was too.
I'm not convinced that this was that much quicker than the 200 Turbo Quattro. I think Georg Kacher in the test in CAR when launched said that the biggest problem with the model was that it was not different enough from the 100/200 (same shell) for the money and that the 200 Turbo Quattro offered much the same but cheaper. I think he said the top bits of the engine were from 16V Golfs.
Personally I find this far more interesting, but then it's a manual and a turbo:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1989-AUDI-200-AVANT-QUATTRO-...
Having had long ownership of urquattro and short ownership of 100 avant I have strong relationshop with early Audi and take your point re autobox going pop, my comment re cost of fluid/filter change was a possible big cost avoidance and cannot influence somebody allready beat it with a big stick.Well done on ITech mentioning the Autoboxes going pop. Look at a turn of the century copy of the Parkers used guide to see mention of Autobox failure on V8s and the scracity of replacements. The used S8/A8 piece in PPC mag. a few years ago mentioned Autoboxes failing and it's mentioned in many adverts for used A8s. It's all very well saying service and refill the automatic transmission but is that really going to make up for that not being done over the last two decades and a handful of owners?
Six pages in before any mention of the boxes failing.
Perhaps the value of the rear diff to an S2 tweaker will go someway to making up the value of a unserviceable autobox?
Thanks Veeayt, I wasn't aware of the stretched version or that they did this with a manual box. I knew the later C4 S6 was available in Europe with the 4.2 V8 and the 6 speed manual, but didn't know this was too.
I'm not convinced that this was that much quicker than the 200 Turbo Quattro. I think Georg Kacher in the test in CAR when launched said that the biggest problem with the model was that it was not different enough from the 100/200 (same shell) for the money and that the 200 Turbo Quattro offered much the same but cheaper. I think he said the top bits of the engine were from 16V Golfs.
Personally I find this far more interesting, but then it's a manual and a turbo:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1989-AUDI-200-AVANT-QUATTRO-...
The Audi 200 turbo, 5 pot 4wd etc was/is a fine vehicle, hence I keep my RS2 which was, in my view a logical development of both, I remain very partial to the straight five engine and its unique performance.
GEP said:
Goodfella 555 said:
Ozone said:
Yeah that's what i thought, i was getting those sorts of MPG with my RX8 and Scooby but the petrol was cheaper then... Perhaps i could persuade the OH to cancel the holiday this year 
i am an analyst so apologies more shedanomics: (based on 1 year)Scenario 1 Buy a new Peugeot for £10k
Depreciation £3k, petrol (based on approx 350 miles per week @ 40mpg) £2500; £150 interest cost on finance; £500 insurance; total cost £6,150 (based on them chucking in a free service)
Scenario 2
Audi 200 V8
Depreciation £395 (you'll at least still get £500 for parts alone); petrol £5,000; £1,000 insurance (approx); total cost £6,395
So your running costs over 1 year would vary by £250 (plus admittedly some reactive costs parts etc but to be fair whilst old these things are very well built)
But based on this logic a) buy it, quick before i do and b) why do people buy new cr4ppy cars?
Edited by Goodfella 555 on Friday 17th June 13:03
Buy a decent used blandmobil. Cheap, decent MPG, probably no huge repair bills.
A gas guzzling old V8 makes zero sense.
johnpeat said:
greggers said:
You wouldn't fail an MOT with a non-working speedo... The only thing that gets the wheels moving are the brake rollers.
Would a car turning up 2-years-in-a-row with the (exact) same miles provoke a reaction? "I trailer it everywhere"
Dapster said:
This looks like some factory prototype but it definitely didn't make production.
This picture is taken at the Audi museum in Ingostadt. As you enter the building there is a mechanism with ca.6 revolving platforms on which sit old Audi prototypes. The car in this picture is sitting on one of those platforms.urquattro, it wasn't a dig.
My tone may have been harsh, but I was thinking those wondering if they can insure a V8 for less than £2K should have been made aware of the possible Autobox problems. I can appreciate that your comments may have made sense as preventative maintenance on a shed.
Thanks Dapster and Munich.
Given the V8 was supposedly competing against the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S-Class perhaps a V8 Avant should have made the showrooms as a differentiator? A few years later CAR tested the E34 540i Touring and 320 E-Class estate against the C4 100 S4 Avant, and performance estates still exist today. We may be able to fold the rear seats in a C3 Avant and soundly sleep in there but that fastback tailback reduces practicality.
My tone may have been harsh, but I was thinking those wondering if they can insure a V8 for less than £2K should have been made aware of the possible Autobox problems. I can appreciate that your comments may have made sense as preventative maintenance on a shed.
Thanks Dapster and Munich.
Given the V8 was supposedly competing against the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S-Class perhaps a V8 Avant should have made the showrooms as a differentiator? A few years later CAR tested the E34 540i Touring and 320 E-Class estate against the C4 100 S4 Avant, and performance estates still exist today. We may be able to fold the rear seats in a C3 Avant and soundly sleep in there but that fastback tailback reduces practicality.
carinaman said:
The spirital successor to the V8 is the Passat W8? When will they get to shed territory?
Did they make the V8 in the Avant body too? How much of the cult status of the RS2 is due to it being a wagon? Did Audi miss a chance by not doing a V8 Avant? They made the C4 S6 V8 as an Avant.
Given the extra weight, extra drag and autobox, I doubt it would be that much faster than a 200 Turbo, it would just get there differently.
Guessign you dont know about the s6plus thenDid they make the V8 in the Avant body too? How much of the cult status of the RS2 is due to it being a wagon? Did Audi miss a chance by not doing a V8 Avant? They made the C4 S6 V8 as an Avant.
Given the extra weight, extra drag and autobox, I doubt it would be that much faster than a 200 Turbo, it would just get there differently.
carinaman said:
Cambelt failure excepted I can see the engine outliving the autobox.
The 100 S4 also had the flying saucer front discs.
There was a maroon Avant on eBay a few months ago, the seller was Andover/Thruxton/Basingstoke way that had put the normal discs from the later C4 S6 on it.
Not picking on you but only earlier urS4s had UFOs the latter cars didnt and came with HP2's as per the urS6.The 100 S4 also had the flying saucer front discs.
There was a maroon Avant on eBay a few months ago, the seller was Andover/Thruxton/Basingstoke way that had put the normal discs from the later C4 S6 on it.
however as a point of reference yes the UFOs are a relic and incredibly expensive to replace (if you can find them) but you can replace them out for HP2 setup used on the remaining cars of the era.
are we forgetting this is less than a grand? and perhaps being a wee bit fussy! I thinks its cracking value for money. if the discs or autoboxes go pop then the engine can live on, i agree with that. sadlty worth more in spares, which is the curse of a lot of these cars.
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