RE: SOTW: Audi V8
Discussion
Dapster said:
There were taken at the Audi museum (not by me) although an Avant never made production...
They never did, but it's quite easy to make a conversion, as none of needed parts are unique in true VAG fashion (aside from a few plastic bits). A mate of mine started such project a couple of years ago, and although he didn't finish it up until now, it worksEdited by Dapster on Sunday 19th June 00:12
As for the difference between 200 20V and V8, owned both and i'd say they are quite different beasts. V8 is a relaxed cruiser, whereas 200 is more of a bruiser. Good cars, both.
Curiously, Audi also made a special for South Africa, which is 200 with 3.6 PT engine.
carinaman said:
Personally I find this far more interesting, but then it's a manual and a turbo:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1989-AUDI-200-AVANT-QUATTRO-...
It's KG-engined 200, 10 valves. AFAIK there were 6 engine options for 200 in Europe, all of which was turbo, and only one 'proper' with 2226 20V (3B)http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1989-AUDI-200-AVANT-QUATTRO-...
No worries istoo. 
I wasn't knocking it for the UFO brakes, just taking a lead from earlier. I was only aware of them on the C4 S4s.
It just seems these threads can get a certain amount of hyperbole and blue sky thinking. Looking at recent SOTW threads, that V6 Granny failed to reach its reserve at £311, that 156 Estate looked over priced given what those used car price guides available at a newsagents say. The 318iS looks like a possibility that may give some more service relatively cheaply.
Over the last decade I've been involved with several C3 100s bought with long MoTs for about £200. They were all running before they went off to die, and their demise was for various reasons not just the cost of repair.
Perhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
When I was involved with those 100s it was getting difficult to source used parts, though it seems V8 parts could be sourced from mainland Europe if you have the contacts or language skills.
I could be being fussy, but when I could get a 100 with a long MoT for £200 a decade ago, and petrol is now £6 a gallon this looks a bit steep.
I've sold parts from a 100, and still have some left but I expect they'll end up going to the tip or vehicle dismantlers. One of the 100s I got rid of was an Avant full of parts from another 100.
What's the going rate for a working automatic gearbox with some sort of moneyback deal if it doesn't? auto boxes for A8s start at £350 and reach £700-£800 on eBay. There's a Lexus LS400 box on eBay for £150.
I think the biggest issue with the viability of this SOTW is whether the transmission works.
Veeayt, we had NA 200s in the UK:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1985-AUDI-200-NON-TURBO-/260...
I wasn't knocking it for the UFO brakes, just taking a lead from earlier. I was only aware of them on the C4 S4s.
It just seems these threads can get a certain amount of hyperbole and blue sky thinking. Looking at recent SOTW threads, that V6 Granny failed to reach its reserve at £311, that 156 Estate looked over priced given what those used car price guides available at a newsagents say. The 318iS looks like a possibility that may give some more service relatively cheaply.
Over the last decade I've been involved with several C3 100s bought with long MoTs for about £200. They were all running before they went off to die, and their demise was for various reasons not just the cost of repair.
Perhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
When I was involved with those 100s it was getting difficult to source used parts, though it seems V8 parts could be sourced from mainland Europe if you have the contacts or language skills.
I could be being fussy, but when I could get a 100 with a long MoT for £200 a decade ago, and petrol is now £6 a gallon this looks a bit steep.
I've sold parts from a 100, and still have some left but I expect they'll end up going to the tip or vehicle dismantlers. One of the 100s I got rid of was an Avant full of parts from another 100.
What's the going rate for a working automatic gearbox with some sort of moneyback deal if it doesn't? auto boxes for A8s start at £350 and reach £700-£800 on eBay. There's a Lexus LS400 box on eBay for £150.
I think the biggest issue with the viability of this SOTW is whether the transmission works.
Veeayt, we had NA 200s in the UK:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1985-AUDI-200-NON-TURBO-/260...
Try this version:
http://www.eurospecsport.com/For%20Sale/Audi%20DTM...
A re-creation of a DTM car using original works parts apparently. I think they wanted $60,000 for it, what's that, about £40,000.
http://www.eurospecsport.com/For%20Sale/Audi%20DTM...
A re-creation of a DTM car using original works parts apparently. I think they wanted $60,000 for it, what's that, about £40,000.
shakotan said:
I would have thought so, all it has to do is give a visual indication of your real time speed. It doesn't even have to be accurate, as calibration is not checked, only operation. They obviously wont be able to check it on the brake rollers, but then most car speedometers wouldn't register the kind of speeds the rollers do anyway. I'm not sure what they will introduce to test the speedo, outside of a short drive on the road outside the testing centre.
Further clarification - you cannot use a GPS signalled device as a speedometer for MOT purposes, as the device needs to be active immediately with the ignition, and must take it's input signal from the vehicle, as a GPS signal can be blocked - using a tunnel for example - and you'd effectively lose your speedometer whilst in motion.johnpeat said:
Smartphones and GPSs don't work in tunnels, city centres etc.
A Tachometer requires maths (that's most of the country out) and not every car has one.
I suspect the reason the speedo isn't in the MOT is purely a practical one - checking it works and is accurate would take too long and push-up the cost of the test.
It IS in the new MOT which is being introduced January 2012, and it's only checked for operation, not calibration.A Tachometer requires maths (that's most of the country out) and not every car has one.
I suspect the reason the speedo isn't in the MOT is purely a practical one - checking it works and is accurate would take too long and push-up the cost of the test.
carinaman said:
Perhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
They're certainly not related...Bangernomics is running a car as cheaply as possible by shunning trivia like rust and non-working accessories - taking advantage of the longevity, reliability and low running costs of certain models...
SOTW is about finding something interesting which you could drive right now - and perhaps for a while, for less than £1000.
It's not about restoration or preservation - not about finding the best example of the marque/model, the criteria are simply that the car is interesting, has tax (or cash left-over to tax it) and ticket.
That's why this was a great SOTW - a 4.2V8 German Luxobarge for under £1000, how can that not be interesting?
Hell, I can't afford £1000 for my daily driver, let along a plaything, but I can appreciate the IDEA! If I came into cash, the first thing I'd do is start buying moody old motors and blogging the experience - would be amazing!!!
As someone that just bought one of these I have to say that for the money they are a great "toy". Where else can you get a quality built V8 four wheel drive car with race pedigree (just) for the money.... However I may well regret this if the gearbox or other components give up he ghost. It came with a years MOT so if it survives the year i'll be happy as it has a few "nice bits" on it that mean I could probably recoup a fair bit by breaking it....
johnpeat said:
carinaman said:
Perhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
They're certainly not related...Bangernomics is running a car as cheaply as possible by shunning trivia like rust and non-working accessories - taking advantage of the longevity, reliability and low running costs of certain models...
SOTW is about finding something interesting which you could drive right now - and perhaps for a while, for less than £1000.
It's not about restoration or preservation - not about finding the best example of the marque/model, the criteria are simply that the car is interesting, has tax (or cash left-over to tax it) and ticket.
That's why this was a great SOTW - a 4.2V8 German Luxobarge for under £1000, how can that not be interesting?
Hell, I can't afford £1000 for my daily driver, let along a plaything, but I can appreciate the IDEA! If I came into cash, the first thing I'd do is start buying moody old motors and blogging the experience - would be amazing!!!
A Shed of the week is chosen because it is interesting and cheap. In order to be cheap enough for the Shed, any interesting car will need to have a significant perceived downside - generally that they are expensive to run, rust or some part of them could grenade at any moment. Without this downside, an interesting car is unlikely to be cheap enough
This Audi is a perfect example of an excellent SOTW: it is a 4.2 litre V8 luxury car with almost every conceivable electrical doodah known to man. It is an interesting and luxurious car and a good talking point. It could make you grin from ear to ear for a year. Or make you cry...
I would rather have an XJ40; I prefer their look and feel and they are more robust. I like this Audi though.
carinaman said:
No worries istoo.
Perhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
echoed already and i am too slow..againPerhaps I am confusing SOTW with the concept of bangernomics?
SOTW is not just any old shed its interesting, different quirky which at less than a grand will almost always cxertainly have a sneeky money pit item attached to it but have a huge amount of want and desire
Personally i am a SOTW man, married with three youngish kids so anything realistically new/nice i have to rule out until i am old/fat/baldm so that leaves me in SOTW territory. An Audi V8, esp a 4.2 yes please, appeals to me...
Quite a few Audis of that era fall under shed categroy for me that i would want... much like the mercs of the era they just keep on going. I picked up my 90quattro 20v sport from PH using SOTW principles for £750. it was a bit tired, needed work etc, not that reliable, but it really appeals to me. And now i have left the country the only car i have kept is... the 90. Because its A odd, B not worth selling, C will likely start and go when i fly home at xmas after being sat for xx months and still raise a smile.
digressing, it is blue sky thinking, but blue sky affordable... that is until something goes wrong, but that could be 1 hour or 10 years knowing these. For sub 1000 it has to be worth it (for the noise alone)
One other thing which needs addressing about SoTW are the claims people make about "breaking it and selling the bits"...
Whilst it's quite possible to do this, it's a LOT harder than people make out and a lot of the time all you do is end up with a load of junk lying around the place (even whole cars!!)
I've done this - a mate almost made a full-time living from it for a while - but the reality is nowhere near as easy as "making money from hard-to-find car parts" sounds...
There's the issue of finding the people looking for said item - not always as easy as it sounds and you can burn a LOT of time (and listing fees etc.) finding that out.
Instead of buyers you'll find yourself mired with endless stupid questions, insulting offers, people who think heavy items will teleport to their homes 'for free', people calling-up for free advice and expecting brand-new self-fitting things to appear magically!
Second-hand parts prices and availability must be affected more by the fact that too many buyers are morons than by any other single factor
Whilst it's quite possible to do this, it's a LOT harder than people make out and a lot of the time all you do is end up with a load of junk lying around the place (even whole cars!!)
I've done this - a mate almost made a full-time living from it for a while - but the reality is nowhere near as easy as "making money from hard-to-find car parts" sounds...
There's the issue of finding the people looking for said item - not always as easy as it sounds and you can burn a LOT of time (and listing fees etc.) finding that out.
Instead of buyers you'll find yourself mired with endless stupid questions, insulting offers, people who think heavy items will teleport to their homes 'for free', people calling-up for free advice and expecting brand-new self-fitting things to appear magically!
Second-hand parts prices and availability must be affected more by the fact that too many buyers are morons than by any other single factor
johnpeat said:
One other thing which needs addressing about SoTW are the claims people make about "breaking it and selling the bits"...
very variable this... i was given a 90quattro20v which i plundered for bits sold a few parts and then let the rest to the scrappy, sad yes but it was too far gone and kept my car alive. If it saves anothers car then it was a car well used...
For that i have no issue. I do twinge when i see a good un go for spares. Its always going to be difficult as an enthusiast to see a car that would have been nice on the drive in bits and on ebay for minor financial gain, mainly as most of these are so rare its enthusiasts for the most part who keep them alive... as most SOTEW cars they spark that, oh less than a grand.. has to be worth a punt... maybe i could...
shakotan said:
Further clarification - you cannot use a GPS signalled device as a speedometer for MOT purposes, as the device needs to be active immediately with the ignition, and must take it's input signal from the vehicle, as a GPS signal can be blocked - using a tunnel for example - and you'd effectively lose your speedometer whilst in motion.
What about something that plugs into the OBD port* and pulls information from there?- I realise this car probably won't have such a thing
They were feted by the car magazines when new - as good as the new 7-series, better quality than an XJ6, and the w126 S-class was laughed at for being so old! They still only sold a few in the UK. The V8 wasn't really much of a step up from the 200 Quattro and that had little following due to its huge pricetag.
jimfoz said:
They were feted by the car magazines when new - as good as the new 7-series, better quality than an XJ6, and the w126 S-class was laughed at for being so old! They still only sold a few in the UK. The V8 wasn't really much of a step up from the 200 Quattro and that had little following due to its huge pricetag.
IIRC the Audi V8 was well regarded as a very competent performer in search of character and subject (even by class standards) to savage depreciation. The 200 always struggled since it was aimed at a narrow niche buyer and was significantly overpriced. The Audi 200 was also well liked by the motoring press, particularly 'Car', though they also loved the XJ40.The V8 engine did add a bit of fizz, but not enough to tempt buyers away from Jaguar, BMW and Mercedes. As you say, the W126 was very old by 1990, and outclassed on the road by the XJ40 and E32 BMW '7' series. The XJ6 was often lambasted for poor quality in reviews, though the problem was more down to Jaguar's old machinery and techniques at the factory because of a lack of investment over many years than poor materials. The XJ6 proved to be much more robust than the Audi with very durable mechanicals, but its larger less consistent shut lines and old fashioned trim fittings make it appear less well made.
Still, 200 replies for the Audi without even a "Rover is rubbish/no it isn't" bun fight to boost them proves there is plenty of interest in the V8 now, and justifiably so.
Thinking about this post today, I seem to remember CAR running one on a LTT. They also had a black 100 C4 V6 Quattro, Llelwyn had that and I remember some images of a black and chrome full dresser Harley figuring in the pics. too. One of them left bits of molten metal on the road and was recovered on a truck. I think from memory that was the 100 C4.
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