RE: SOTW: Bargain British Cabrios
Discussion
Oddball RS said:
Look enough of the MX5 vs TR7 crap, someone show me a 1970's MX5 please! plastic, rot, colour, all cars of the era where like this (FACT) apples for apples ok?
Well, for a grand it's possible to get an MX5 that's largely rot free.And even the inevitable rust is a lot more controllable - generally it's the sills and rear arches that are the MX5 weak points. Rather than the whole car.
I haven't seen an MX5 with rusting doors, or generally any with rusty front wings and floors.
The boot and bonnet won't rust because they're aluminium.
As for some of the other rubbish being quoted on here.... '50 mph in 1st' - what relevance is that? - all it means is that the TR7 has dodgy gearing and a low red line!
From a personal point of view, I wouldn't go for any of them and it's for a few reasons. Firstly, I'm no fan of the TR7 especially one in that particular version of afore mentioned prosthetic limb beige. I've never really gotten on with the shape even in convertible form though strangely I do quite like the wedge shape TVRs like the 350 and such. Go figure.
The MGF does seem a tad on the cheap side, though aesthetically I quite like the look of the later model. I'd rather go for the Mazda equivalent but saying that I wouldn't mind a drive in the F to see how they actually handle in comparison, both the later and earlier versions with the different types of suspension.
The Escort I think's also a tad suspect though it's in what I believe is one of the better colours for most Fords ie blue. The mileage may well be genuine, just badly phrased in the ad - the seats look in good nick matching the rest of the interior and the gearknob/steering wheel look to support the mileage too though it doesn't appear the seller's the best at taking explanatory pictures. I just wouldn't touch an Escort convertible, even the earlier/more sought after versions - the only ones I'd go for would have to be the hatchbacks and have an XR or RS attached and not just in badge form either
The MGF does seem a tad on the cheap side, though aesthetically I quite like the look of the later model. I'd rather go for the Mazda equivalent but saying that I wouldn't mind a drive in the F to see how they actually handle in comparison, both the later and earlier versions with the different types of suspension.
The Escort I think's also a tad suspect though it's in what I believe is one of the better colours for most Fords ie blue. The mileage may well be genuine, just badly phrased in the ad - the seats look in good nick matching the rest of the interior and the gearknob/steering wheel look to support the mileage too though it doesn't appear the seller's the best at taking explanatory pictures. I just wouldn't touch an Escort convertible, even the earlier/more sought after versions - the only ones I'd go for would have to be the hatchbacks and have an XR or RS attached and not just in badge form either
redgriff500 said:
300bhp/ton said:
But do you reckon any of the MX-5s when they reach the same age as the TR7 won't have degraded and rusted more than they have now?
Again we are comparing similar PRICED cars not year. £65,000 E-Types rust too you know, just for reference that price doesn't dictate this.
redgriff500 said:
rodgerramjet said:
I'm genuinely amazed at the love for the TR7. Do any of you have even moderately functioning eyes?!!
Each to their own I suppose, but anyone who likes that has no right to slate any other car in the world. Ever.
Even that Escort!
Having driven examples of both I can assure you that the Escort drives better.Each to their own I suppose, but anyone who likes that has no right to slate any other car in the world. Ever.
Even that Escort!
Yes I know its more modern but it is available at a similar PRICE.
I did not realise you guys now do shed in the week times three. Is it now sheds of the week???
Had to laugh at hitler diares being published then being fake. in 1983 in the article.
I always loved the TR7 growing up, its a shame the motoring press and British public disliked it.
Love the escort convertable and best colour Imperial Blue, not a fan of the ghia trim, the Si was better trim imo
Had to laugh at hitler diares being published then being fake. in 1983 in the article.
I always loved the TR7 growing up, its a shame the motoring press and British public disliked it.
Love the escort convertable and best colour Imperial Blue, not a fan of the ghia trim, the Si was better trim imo
Escort Si-130 said:
I did not realise you guys now do shed in the week times three. Is it now sheds of the week???
Had to laugh at hitler diares being published then being fake. in 1983 in the article.
I always loved the TR7 growing up, its a shame the motoring press and British public disliked it.
Love the escort convertable and best colour Imperial Blue, not a fan of the ghia trim, the Si was better trim imo
Wonder why you prefer the Si?? Had to laugh at hitler diares being published then being fake. in 1983 in the article.
I always loved the TR7 growing up, its a shame the motoring press and British public disliked it.
Love the escort convertable and best colour Imperial Blue, not a fan of the ghia trim, the Si was better trim imo
We're not in the habit of doing multiple SOTWs, but just occasionally something catches our eye, as with this week's controversial trio...
VeeFour said:
Oddball RS said:
Look enough of the MX5 vs TR7 crap, someone show me a 1970's MX5 please! plastic, rot, colour, all cars of the era where like this (FACT) apples for apples ok?
Well, for a grand it's possible to get an MX5 that's largely rot free.And even the inevitable rust is a lot more controllable - generally it's the sills and rear arches that are the MX5 weak points. Rather than the whole car.
I haven't seen an MX5 with rusting doors, or generally any with rusty front wings and floors.
The boot and bonnet won't rust because they're aluminium.
As for some of the other rubbish being quoted on here.... '50 mph in 1st' - what relevance is that? - all it means is that the TR7 has dodgy gearing and a low red line!
Yes, but a hell of a lot faster the Mondeo would be. bhp per tonne is so outdated, it rarely means f
k all these days. There are thousands of chracteristics why you should never use bhp per tonne, including aerodynamics, torque, drivetrain etc. the list goes on....
k all these days. There are thousands of chracteristics why you should never use bhp per tonne, including aerodynamics, torque, drivetrain etc. the list goes on....confused_buyer said:
The 105bhp Sierra weighed 1065Kg so, almost exactly 100bhp per tonne.
Today's 1.6 Ecoboost Mondeo has 157bhp and weighs 1500Kg. So, about 105bhp per tonne. Not a big difference.
Today's 1.6 Ecoboost Mondeo has 157bhp and weighs 1500Kg. So, about 105bhp per tonne. Not a big difference.
r11co said:
PS. The MkV Escort wasn't so bad once they'd beefed up the chassis. Essentially the same layout as the much lauded Fiesta and Ka but scaled up, and there was a 4WD version.....
4WD version? Not heard of that. If you are talking about the Escort Cosworth, that was on the Sierra platform.varsas said:
r11co said:
PS. The MkV Escort wasn't so bad once they'd beefed up the chassis. Essentially the same layout as the much lauded Fiesta and Ka but scaled up, and there was a 4WD version.....
4WD version? Not heard of that. If you are talking about the Escort Cosworth, that was on the Sierra platform.Itsallicanafford said:
All, why you would ever buy any of these over a early 1.6 MX-5 i really have no idea...
Do you know that the MX-5 came 9th out of 100 all time best handling cars in EVO magazine (an F50 was 10th!)
Because sometimes it's just good to have something different and sometimes you love stuff from your youth regardless of it's faults ... so the TR7 makes a certain sense to me that the MG and Ford don't and, as it happens, I'd prefer it to the MX-5.Do you know that the MX-5 came 9th out of 100 all time best handling cars in EVO magazine (an F50 was 10th!)
Go back to hell lusifer
LuS1fer said:
The TR7 looked OK in convertible form and that looks a good shed.
The MG is always woth a punt if you ask me.
The only one I wouldn't entertain is the Escort which at best had wooden steering even in fixed roof form, heaven help the disfunctionality of a convertible. It will sell in Essex though.
The MG is always woth a punt if you ask me.
The only one I wouldn't entertain is the Escort which at best had wooden steering even in fixed roof form, heaven help the disfunctionality of a convertible. It will sell in Essex though.
300bhp/ton said:
Umm as has been said. Exactly how old is the oldest MX-5??? Will they still be rust free in another 15-20 years time?
20 years old.I suspect survival rates are significantly higher than they were in 20 year old TR7s.
I'll even stick my neck out and say that the survival rate at 20 years for an MX5 is better than it was for the TR7 at 10 years old.
Not sure how old you are, but I clearly remember just how rubbish every car was back in the late 70s / early 80s - I certainly remember my dad's MkI Honda Accord being fit for scrap only at years old. I don't recall the Hillman Avenger it replaced being much better, either.
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