Newport to Leeds HST or Voyager
Discussion
Ramses said:
Voyagers are the smaller version of the Pendelino (the Virgin ones) - and are very good.
The HST, if the same as the East Coast use, is a horrid, 40 year old, sprung seat museum piece. I would rather walk.
Voyagers are no relation to PendosThe HST, if the same as the East Coast use, is a horrid, 40 year old, sprung seat museum piece. I would rather walk.
East Coast at least is all LHCS ... the mk 3 is a pretty reasonable device given the age of the basic design
Parabola said:
I take it you're in the industry! Thanks for the response. I too find it unbelievable that in the UK, we find it impossible to run a trains that aren't crampt and stinky. The seats not lining up to the windows is beyond a joke. They can manage it in Germany, France etc. It's not like our trains were cheap to buy either- whoever signed the cheque for them needs locking in one for a month.
The Voyager I was on yesterday was horrendous- the blowers were so loud people were almost shouting to be heard, one carrage's cooling had packed up so had to be evacuated.
the problem is that the government underwrite all the purchases of new kit for franchises because the passenger railway is tied up in short franchises and political meddling - which the frieght side and the open access passenger operators don't have - the principal problem from the open access ops is available stock because of the risk of political meddling in their operations with the likes of Stagecoach ( who also own 49% of vermin wet coast iirc) claiming that the Open Access operators are 'orcats raiding' The Voyager I was on yesterday was horrendous- the blowers were so loud people were almost shouting to be heard, one carrage's cooling had packed up so had to be evacuated.
43034 said:
Due to some s
tty requirement that all trains now must have retention tanks hold the sewage so the smell is always there! Trains of yesteryear used to dump it on the track, now it's held in a tank ALL DAY until the train goes to depot and to be emptied. fking vile.
Then we have how short the trains are, 4 cars. 4 fking cars on a CrossCountry routes what a fking joke (sometimes 5 if you're lucky with a 'Super' (sic) Voyager). Those rancid seats with no padding that dont line up with the windows. I'm sure I really want to fking look at a piller for god knows how many hours and those rancid airline trays that have never been cleaned in their life. Wouldn't make my dog eat off those.
Then the lack of tables, which is just shocking. Far too many airline seats, families have to be spread out and people have no room to work.
And because of the lack of seats in your 4 carriages you have people lining the corridor make it impossible to walk around. People then stand inbetween the gangyway doors which don't have pressure/sensor pads (it's not rocket science!) so will close on people every 20 seconds!
They're bloody noisey too and it's not a nice noise either. Vibrate like anything and are too overpowered (which is stupid when they name claim how efficent they are. You don't need 1 engine per carriage, you just don't.
All in all, they're fking st and HSTs are better.
No, what's vile is staff having to walk through piles of bangers and mash dumped in the four-foot. Keep it in the tank I say tty requirement that all trains now must have retention tanks hold the sewage so the smell is always there! Trains of yesteryear used to dump it on the track, now it's held in a tank ALL DAY until the train goes to depot and to be emptied. fking vile.Then we have how short the trains are, 4 cars. 4 f
king cars on a CrossCountry routes what a fking joke (sometimes 5 if you're lucky with a 'Super' (sic) Voyager). Those rancid seats with no padding that dont line up with the windows. I'm sure I really want to fking look at a piller for god knows how many hours and those rancid airline trays that have never been cleaned in their life. Wouldn't make my dog eat off those. Then the lack of tables, which is just shocking. Far too many airline seats, families have to be spread out and people have no room to work.
And because of the lack of seats in your 4 carriages you have people lining the corridor make it impossible to walk around. People then stand inbetween the gangyway doors which don't have pressure/sensor pads (it's not rocket science!) so will close on people every 20 seconds!
They're bloody noisey too and it's not a nice noise either. Vibrate like anything and are too overpowered (which is stupid when they name claim how efficent they are. You don't need 1 engine per carriage, you just don't.
All in all, they're f
king st and HSTs are better.
They sounded epic 
If the HST still has its original coach interior layout, it will be a far superior journey to the Vomit Comet. Sadly the refreshed HST stock is airline seat tastic, high seat backs for a cramped and claustrophobic feel, but power at all seats and better lighting. Third Rate Western are now running at least one set with half a coach of seats removed to provide more standing space 
theironduke said:
Ahhhhh
Do the new ones sound as good? I've only read they aren't, the last time i heard a 125 it was a few years ago so i guess it was a Valenta....was lush.
No, they sound absolutely fDo the new ones sound as good? I've only read they aren't, the last time i heard a 125 it was a few years ago so i guess it was a Valenta....was lush.
king st! Instead of a high pitch scream that you associate with spead, you get a low pitched noise that you associate with a slow freight diesel train. Bloody horrible. No character.miniman said:
If the HST still has its original coach interior layout, it will be a far superior journey to the Vomit Comet. Sadly the refreshed HST stock is airline seat tastic, high seat backs for a cramped and claustrophobic feel, but power at all seats and better lighting. Third Rate Western are now running at least one set with half a coach of seats removed to provide more standing space
Nope, all refurbed (bar 1) now. Some stock is more Airline seat than other's. If you want to travel in a proper train with almost a proper engine travel on East Midland Trains. If you want to travel on a completely proper HST please join/donate to www.125group.org.uk.With regards to FGW and their standing room coach, as far as I can gather, you're wrong or it's mis understood? FGW are my local patch and there is nothing like that about, at current.
P.S, how has this escaped the mods?
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