RE: Seat To Bring Twin-Engined Rally Car To Goodwood

[dapprman]

muthaducka said:

Porsche were involved but only in the powertrain and gearbox development. I wasn't sure myself so wanted to find out for definite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Ibiza

This version, while it established the now classic Ibiza shape, was advertised as having "Italian styling and German engines": having its bodywork been designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro's Italdesign[3][4] and was prepared for industrialisation by the German manufacturer Karmann. It was based on the SEAT Ronda, a small family car, with a gearbox and powertrain developed in collaboration with Porsche, thus named under licence System Porsche.

Still don't get it. Low powered engine x2? Wouldn't it have been better just to fit a larger capacity engine with the same output that would have been lighter.
Maybe the balance would be good with one in the back and one in the front.....mmmm - would be nice to know more about this car and the reason why two engines were dropped in...

I think you'll find the 1.2 and 1.5 litre engines were also designed by Porsche (just because Wikki does not say so does not mean they mentioned all the Porsche bits) and the chassis was actually from the Fiat Strada, which SEAT had previously used under license (and then litigation)

[Brighton Speed]

If we're talking twin engine VAG cars then one word must surely be spoken - Dubsport.

Back in the '90s Ian Birch, who founded the firm, built a twin 2.0-litre 16v Mk1 Golf (both lumps on carbs), a twin VR6 Golf Rallye and a twin VR6 turbo Mk3 Golf (11 second quarters all day long).

Oh, and a mid-engined Mk1 Golf VR6 turbo for good measure. Happy days...

[muthaducka]

dapprman said:

I think you'll find the 1.2 and 1.5 litre engines were also designed by Porsche (just because Wikki does not say so does not mean they mentioned all the Porsche bits) and the chassis was actually from the Fiat Strada, which SEAT had previously used under license (and then litigation)

I was really following up someone's comment about the engines not being developed in conjunction with Porsche. A 'no' isn't usually good enough for me and I've always wondered about the Porsche / Seat mix of old. Yes I know wiki isn't the bible but it's a start.

If your saying the 1.5 litre engines were developed by Porsche then my reason for questioning the 'no' was correct. How do you know they were developed in conjunction with Porsche...... (you can probably tell I don't take just a yes or no easily - ahem apart from the obvious situations)

[dapprman]

muthaducka said:

I was really following up someone's comment about the engines not being developed in conjunction with Porsche. A 'no' isn't usually good enough for me and I've always wondered about the Porsche / Seat mix of old. Yes I know wiki isn't the bible but it's a start.

If your saying the 1.5 litre engines were developed by Porsche then my reason for questioning the 'no' was correct. How do you know they were developed in conjunction with Porsche...... (you can probably tell I don't take just a yes or no easily - ahem apart from the obvious situations)

Sadly I used to have the sales bumpf for the Ibiza as a keen 17 year old looking for his first car. The Porsche bit was some thing that made me want one - and then regretted trying one some 5 or 6 years later.