RE: Video: Morgan Three-Wheeler Drifting And Burnout
Discussion
UK952 said:
I think the 3 wheeler looks cool but doesn't the video just demonstrate the issue having all the power going through one rear wheel? - it cant cope
Do you think so? In which part of the video is the car not coping? It all looked driver induced and controlled to me.My trike is putting 50% more power down through the rear than the Morgan, it copes very well thank you.
I generally find that disparaging comments about three wheelers come from people who don't understand the handling dynamics, have never driven one or been a passenger. Or of course all three.
UK952 said:
I think the 3 wheeler looks cool but doesn't the video just demonstrate the issue having all the power going through one rear wheel? - it cant cope
How does it prove it can't cope??? 
That was a burnout - ie using the brakes to stop the front wheels and the car moving while spinning up the rear.
Sure it'll never have the traction of two rear wheels, but it's light and isn't really built for drag racing. Once rolling it's a totally different concept.
In their day 3W Morgans where highly successful race cars, at one point they used to start at the back of the pack and 1 lap down as they were so quick compared to the competition.
There are some more modern type 3 wheelers still about today:
300bhp/ton said:
Sure it'll never have the traction of two rear wheels...
Actually, trikes get closer than you might think.Two tyres with 100Kg on each provide the same traction as one tyre with 200Kg. The problem with trikes is that you need the weight over the two wheel axle for stability. The usual compromise is to put 75% of the vehicle weight over the two wheel axle and only 25% on the rear. Whereas a well set up four wheel car will be around 50/50.
So the traction available isn't limited by the fact you only have one rear wheel, its limited by the weight available over the rear, the four wheeler having an extra 25% available at the rear.
PaulMoor said:
That is both the most stupid and most wonderfull thing I have seen in a long time.
I so wish I could afford one, if only to drive down the M40, flying helmet and jacket, dambusters march playing at full blast, pretending to shoot down middle lane hoggers.
There has got to be a way to rig up some paintballs guns, so you can do a strafing run against those in the middle lane I so wish I could afford one, if only to drive down the M40, flying helmet and jacket, dambusters march playing at full blast, pretending to shoot down middle lane hoggers.
mikeveal said:
300bhp/ton said:
Sure it'll never have the traction of two rear wheels...
Actually, trikes get closer than you might think.Two tyres with 100Kg on each provide the same traction as one tyre with 200Kg. The problem with trikes is that you need the weight over the two wheel axle for stability. The usual compromise is to put 75% of the vehicle weight over the two wheel axle and only 25% on the rear. Whereas a well set up four wheel car will be around 50/50.
So the traction available isn't limited by the fact you only have one rear wheel, its limited by the weight available over the rear, the four wheeler having an extra 25% available at the rear.
Dagnut said:
But surely the greater the slip angle the worse the traction? I can't imagine that once the back loses tractions it will be easy to control
Accelerating in bends? Never had a problem in mine. In a four wheeler, one rear tyre will experience more slip angle than the other. Drive a 2F1R trike round the same bend and the slip angle will be between the two angles experienced by the car. To be honest, the greatest problem is that the light rear tends to bounce, and whilst airbourne it will skip sideways in a bend. I have a Toyo 888 on the rear, with 120Kg loading. So far it has always "caught" when landing. Sometimes, if I don't back off, it will start to wheelspin, and that doesn't necessarily go away as it lands.
Power slides are very controlable. I think its because the driving force is always acting centrally on the car. That said, I don't drive around deliberately trying to induce them.
Trikes are certainly not for everyone. There are handling limitations and compromises that I firmly believe you should understand before getting behind the wheel. However, a properly set up trike is very very capable - anyone who thinks otherwise is ill informed and under experienced!
kambites said:
Lovely little thing. It might be impossible, but I can't help but feel that if they could produce it for 20k, it would sell by the bucket load. It would certainly be at the top of my list if I was in the market for a toy for sunny days.
At 30k though, I just couldn't justify it.
I don't think it's a case of what they "could" produce it for Carl. It's more of a case of what price the market can stand. If you can sell out for 30K, why sell for 20K? Second had 1930's Morgan trikes will fetch £30K plus. You can buy a new Triking for 20K, but it's a replica not a Morgan. The real thing is able to command more cash.At 30k though, I just couldn't justify it.
Whether or not we consider that its worth it is irrelevant, there appear to be enough buyers that do!
mikeveal said:
Dagnut said:
But surely the greater the slip angle the worse the traction? I can't imagine that once the back loses tractions it will be easy to control
Accelerating in bends? Never had a problem in mine. In a four wheeler, one rear tyre will experience more slip angle than the other. Drive a 2F1R trike round the same bend and the slip angle will be between the two angles experienced by the car. To be honest, the greatest problem is that the light rear tends to bounce, and whilst airbourne it will skip sideways in a bend. I have a Toyo 888 on the rear, with 120Kg loading. So far it has always "caught" when landing. Sometimes, if I don't back off, it will start to wheelspin, and that doesn't necessarily go away as it lands.
Power slides are very controlable. I think its because the driving force is always acting centrally on the car. That said, I don't drive around deliberately trying to induce them.
Trikes are certainly not for everyone. There are handling limitations and compromises that I firmly believe you should understand before getting behind the wheel. However, a properly set up trike is very very capable - anyone who thinks otherwise is ill informed and under experienced!
Coming soon to an industrial estate near you, we have Henry Fortesque-Smythe in his Aero 8. He is wearing flannels from Gieves and Hawkes and his shoes are from Church's. Educated at Eaton, and then Corpus Christi, he is performing a version of Swan Lake, on Tarmac. Show your appreciation by giving petrol coupons or pheasants to his man on the gate.
Edited by Chris Wilson on Thursday 30th June 15:55
300bhp/ton said:
What sort of trike do you have? I'd love to know more?
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Chris Wilson said:
Coming soon to an industrial estate near you, we have Henry Fortesque-Smythe in his Aero 8. He is wearing flannels from Gieves and Hawkes and his shoes are from Church's. Educated at Eaton, and then Corpus Christi, he is performing a version of Swan Lake, on Tarmac. Show your appreciation by giving petrol coupons or pheasants to his man on the gate.
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PaulMoor said:
That is both the most stupid and most wonderfull thing I have seen in a long time.
I so wish I could afford one, if only to drive down the M40, flying helmet and jacket, dambusters march playing at full blast, pretending to shoot down middle lane hoggers.
There has got to be a way to rig up some paintballs guns, so you can do a strafing run against those in the middle lane I so wish I could afford one, if only to drive down the M40, flying helmet and jacket, dambusters march playing at full blast, pretending to shoot down middle lane hoggers.
Tally ho we'll give Jerry a dam good thrashing in his BMW AUDI MERC (said in the best back adder voice I can do)
mikeveal said:
Dagnut said:
But surely the greater the slip angle the worse the traction? I can't imagine that once the back loses tractions it will be easy to control
Accelerating in bends? Never had a problem in mine. In a four wheeler, one rear tyre will experience more slip angle than the other. Drive a 2F1R trike round the same bend and the slip angle will be between the two angles experienced by the car. To be honest, the greatest problem is that the light rear tends to bounce, and whilst airbourne it will skip sideways in a bend. I have a Toyo 888 on the rear, with 120Kg loading. So far it has always "caught" when landing. Sometimes, if I don't back off, it will start to wheelspin, and that doesn't necessarily go away as it lands.
Power slides are very controlable. I think its because the driving force is always acting centrally on the car. That said, I don't drive around deliberately trying to induce them.
Trikes are certainly not for everyone. There are handling limitations and compromises that I firmly believe you should understand before getting behind the wheel. However, a properly set up trike is very very capable - anyone who thinks otherwise is ill informed and under experienced!
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