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Max_Torque
4,803 posts
86 months
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timski96 said: The tree wasn't that big - less than a foot wide Plenty big enough! I hit a 8" tree in a Defender 90, and it stopped it dead from about 35mph (during an AWDC off road event in the early 90's, the car suddenly jumped out of some ruts and speared off into the undergrowth before i had even got my foot off the accelerator!! It bent the chassis behind the springtop hangers and the external roll cage above the windscreen / cab, because the whole car reared up when it hit, leaving about a 6" deep furrow in the bonnet and radiator panel........
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timski96
8 posts
81 months
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Max_Torque said: Plenty big enough! Absolutely. It certainly put paid the back end of the F1. Perhaps I was comparing it to a 6ft-wide old oak I hit back in the 1980s. Wrote the car off but only scuffed the bark off the tree. RA's crash happened about 400 yards up from a series of roundabouts that link the A1, meaning he could well have been travelling at a right old rate prior to losing control: 
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danposs86
268 posts
23 months
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Any updates on this? Did it get fixed?
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Welshbeef
13,029 posts
67 months
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danposs86 said: Any updates on this? Did it get fixed? It is getting fixed - repair could take years though. Gowan did say somewhere that it will vet repaired and he cannot wait for his P&J to be back with him.
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ilovevolvo
1,617 posts
93 months
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I heard the same would be great to see some picks of the re build though 
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Globs
11,734 posts
100 months
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Welshbeef said: It is getting fixed - repair could take years though. Years???? What are they doing - applying one carbon fibre each day (except weekends and public holidays)?
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davepoth
19,858 posts
68 months
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Globs said: Years????
What are they doing - applying one carbon fibre each day (except weekends and public holidays)? Well, consider that to fix the car with that much damage, they will have to strip the tub completely to make the repair. While stripping the tub they'll want to renew a lot of stuff (RA mentioned the car had nearly 40,000 miles on the clock which is a hell of a lot for a car such as that) as it seems a bit churlish to put manky old bits back on a pristine shell. I expect the engine and gearbox will get a full rebuild too. So in effect, it'll be a brand new car by the time they're done. The internet says 3000 man hours to build one from scratch, and considering they'll have to do that process in reverse first to get it into pieces, I can certainly imagine a couple of engineers, with other projects to do as well, could take well over a year to get it finished properly.
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epom
1,275 posts
30 months
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surely someone involved in the job at Mclaren is on here and can starting posting sneaky pics of the rebuild...no one will ever know 
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acf8181
667 posts
103 months
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epom said: surely someone involved in the job at Mclaren is on here and can starting posting sneaky pics of the rebuild...no one will ever know i went down for the rebuild of the one that had a bad fire in USA, no word if our expertise is needed on this one yet but doubt we'd be needed for a crash
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Digger
5,683 posts
60 months
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There is one man on here we/you could ask for possible info.
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Globs
11,734 posts
100 months
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davepoth said: Globs said: Years????
What are they doing - applying one carbon fibre each day (except weekends and public holidays)? Well, consider that to fix the car with that much damage, they will have to strip the tub completely to make the repair. While stripping the tub they'll want to renew a lot of stuff (RA mentioned the car had nearly 40,000 miles on the clock which is a hell of a lot for a car such as that) as it seems a bit churlish to put manky old bits back on a pristine shell. I expect the engine and gearbox will get a full rebuild too. So in effect, it'll be a brand new car by the time they're done. The internet says 3000 man hours to build one from scratch, and considering they'll have to do that process in reverse first to get it into pieces, I can certainly imagine a couple of engineers, with other projects to do as well, could take well over a year to get it finished properly. Stripping a tub for an F1 team, max 1 day. Say 1 week for regular staff. Fixes - about a week to allow for curing, up to 3 weeks if they need to fix tub cracks. Rebuild the tub: 1 week. Repaint, 3 days. If it's taking them this long is implies they are fixing a serious tub crack and haven't got the original moulds etc they had when they started. Even then I can't see this being such a big deal TBH - chop back the CF, add new stuff in, cover with vacuum sheets as required - job done. How can it take longer than 6 weeks?
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Rich_W
4,169 posts
81 months
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Globs said: Repaint, 3 days. Ask Flemke how long his repaint took.
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Globs
11,734 posts
100 months
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Rich_W said: Globs said: Repaint, 3 days. Ask Flemke how long his repaint took. Well I've allowed time for them to take it to bits already. Surely they just need to push the parts down the mp4-12c paintshop line?  Anyway, Flemke's painting delay was because of interminable dithering about the colour. For Rowan they'll already have the panels off so a lot they never need to even mask up.
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Rollcage
9,172 posts
61 months
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A repaint to any really decent standard ,let alone Mclaren ones takes a lot, lot longer than three days!
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cmoose
18,548 posts
98 months
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davepoth said: The internet says 3000 man hours to build one from scratch, and considering they'll have to do that process in reverse first to get it into pieces, I can certainly imagine a couple of engineers, with other projects to do as well, could take well over a year to get it finished properly. Surely the 3k figure includes manufacturing the carbon tub, which I believe was a super labour intensive thing back then, think methods have changed. Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about, but assuming the tub's ok on Atkinson's car, how long can it take. It's not even that complex a car. Super high quality engineering and materials, but it doesn't even have things like an active chassis. I suppose if a load of parts have to be fabricated from scratch...
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Welshbeef
13,029 posts
67 months
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You are of course assuming they have capacity to do it? They have orders to deliver and as such this will be fitted around that along with the unknown amount of damage.
Some parts may be on back order for months alone.
You are assuming everything is ready to go for the customer that is not the case and may I add a very naive assumption. There is no slack built into the McLaren production line
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cmoose
18,548 posts
98 months
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Surely an F1 rebuild isn't going to go anywhere near the production line? I assume they have some kind of facility for servicing the legacy kit that's separate from new-car production...?
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Welshbeef
13,029 posts
67 months
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cmoose said: Surely an F1 rebuild isn't going to go anywhere near the production line? I assume they have some kind of facility for servicing the legacy kit that's separate from new-car production...? You are making a lot of assumptions. Standard servicing is one thing - total rebuild is another case entirely. Look at Chris Evans with his GTO rebuild - that's a car that was in perfect working order his rebuild is 18 months and counting a total wreck .... You are confusing a rub of the Mil car repair vs world class bespoke engineering. Some or many parts may have to be fabricated... Cost time huge.
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cmoose
18,548 posts
98 months
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Welshbeef said: You are making a lot of assumptions.
Standard servicing is one thing - total rebuild is another case entirely. Look at Chris Evans with his GTO rebuild - that's a car that was in perfect working order his rebuild is 18 months and counting a total wreck ....
You are confusing a rub of the Mil car repair vs world class bespoke engineering. Some or many parts may have to be fabricated... Cost time huge. I already flagged up the parts fabricating. Just to be clear about this - when I say it seems unlikely an F1 rebuild would use the new-car production line, that's an assumption. Are you inferring otherwise? And if so, is that based on facts you have to hand. Or an assumption?
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sherbert90
1,008 posts
21 months
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There was a big feature in Evo a couple of years ago. IIRC, they have a portion of the factory dedicated to the rebuild of/customisation of cars when they change hands. Many of the parts are probably going to have to be remade. They will have some spares available.
We need Peloton. He is the fountain of all things F1.
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