RE: Video: Arrinera, The Polish Supercar
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Just another ugly attempt at an 'individual' identikit supercar, which probably uses all the same bits - GM V8 included - that the rest of them do.
New manufacturers need to take a lesson out of Gumpert's book, they proved a can be hideously ugly and unique at the same time, so there's no need to cobble together borrowed styling cues from every other supercar out there.
New manufacturers need to take a lesson out of Gumpert's book, they proved a can be hideously ugly and unique at the same time, so there's no need to cobble together borrowed styling cues from every other supercar out there.
It looks just like Lambo-esh kit car, that much is certain, but I don't understand why you think using GM Ls series engine is a bad thing. Don't you ever learn? Would you prefer to have another debacle like TVR trying to make their own engines that broke down all the time?
At least LS is a tried and tested design.
I'm more interested in how it drives than how it looks.
At far as 'upstart' status goes, remember Pagani was such an upstart and they're doing good. Incidentally, Pagani are not making their own engines but using Merc lumps.
At least LS is a tried and tested design.
I'm more interested in how it drives than how it looks.
At far as 'upstart' status goes, remember Pagani was such an upstart and they're doing good. Incidentally, Pagani are not making their own engines but using Merc lumps.
dme123 said:
I like the way this is heading - a lot of eastern European countries have a strong history of engineering before the communists came in and turned everything to s
t, let's hope it can be recovered.
always thought that the strong engineering capability was BECUASE of the communists gifting them all sorts of factories and infrastructure... We must have read different history books.t, let's hope it can be recovered.Bladedancer said:
It looks just like Lambo-esh kit car, that much is certain, but I don't understand why you think using GM Ls series engine is a bad thing. Don't you ever learn? Would you prefer to have another debacle like TVR trying to make their own engines that broke down all the time?
At least LS is a tried and tested design.
I'm more interested in how it drives than how it looks.
At far as 'upstart' status goes, remember Pagani was such an upstart and they're doing good. Incidentally, Pagani are not making their own engines but using Merc lumps.
It's been done to death with GM V8s, to the point where nobody bothers to do anything innovative - leading to horrible designs to make them unique. I love GM V8s, but I don't want every car out there to use them, otherwise a car 'manufacturer' needs to do little else than buy an Ultima sans body shell, slap their monstrosity over the top of it, trim it up and shift it on for a ridiculous sum. At least LS is a tried and tested design.
I'm more interested in how it drives than how it looks.
At far as 'upstart' status goes, remember Pagani was such an upstart and they're doing good. Incidentally, Pagani are not making their own engines but using Merc lumps.
Good for them if someone's willing to pay for it, but let's be honest just about any engineering grad could do it with sufficient cash behind them, and the reality is that most of these companies either spend years in mediocrity or fold when the previously well heeled founder either runs out of cash, cuts his losses, or gets bored of his play thing and fails to find a buyer.
I'm not for a second suggesting that this is all because they use GM V8s, but where's the innovation, and why bother if you're just going to tread the same well beaten path? Yes, frankly, I would rather they made their own engines, I realise not many can afford this of course, but at least do something with it between lifting it out of the crate and dumping it in the car.
TVR might not have the greatest track record, but they sold more cars than this Polish crowd could ever hope to, and did a hell of a lot of innovating in their time. I'd much rather see an innovative company prove finite, than a mediocre one prove sustainable. This will be neither, it'll be a mediocre company proving finite, again.
using a GM V8 is excellent...think about it
proven design, lots of HP (as well as easy to hop up, should you feel the urge) and parts are inexpensive...compare that to say, a ferrari or lambo, where a simple oil change requires a second mortage on your house
using a proven engine allows them to focus their engineering on the rest of the car...thumbs up, I like it!
proven design, lots of HP (as well as easy to hop up, should you feel the urge) and parts are inexpensive...compare that to say, a ferrari or lambo, where a simple oil change requires a second mortage on your house
using a proven engine allows them to focus their engineering on the rest of the car...thumbs up, I like it!
Quite a few are being quite harsh - it's not the worst car ever made, and it takes a lot of courage to start a company like they have. It needs some refinement, but at least its not an outer shell concept.
If everyone thought the same then Pagani would not exist (albeit they did start off with amazing attention to detail from day one - however, the price reflects this).
Some could argue that a Diablo looks like a huge kit car in todays world but it is a proper Lambo; today still love it and continues to turns heads and makes a lot of people smile.
It's easy to complain, but almost anyone here could not produce better. If you can, then what are you doing here reading this; you should be building your version of supercar. :P
Goodluck to 'em I say. Just make sure the finished article isn't a half hearted piece of tat and do it to the best of your ability (otherwise why do it at all?).
If everyone thought the same then Pagani would not exist (albeit they did start off with amazing attention to detail from day one - however, the price reflects this).
Some could argue that a Diablo looks like a huge kit car in todays world but it is a proper Lambo; today still love it and continues to turns heads and makes a lot of people smile.
It's easy to complain, but almost anyone here could not produce better. If you can, then what are you doing here reading this; you should be building your version of supercar. :P
Goodluck to 'em I say. Just make sure the finished article isn't a half hearted piece of tat and do it to the best of your ability (otherwise why do it at all?).
isee said:
always thought that the strong engineering capability was BECUASE of the communists gifting them all sorts of factories and infrastructure... We must have read different history books.
Considering the 3rd oldest car manufacturer was Czechoslovakian, that was long before the communists arrived, also Porsche stole the design to make the VW beetle. MZ had to make racing motorcycles in secret because the communists wouldn't allow it. So perhaps you need some new books. 
evenflow said:
You can hear it in Maranello now...
"For-a goodness sake-a, coming over here and a-stealin' our jobs-a"
That made me GIGGLE - FPMSL"For-a goodness sake-a, coming over here and a-stealin' our jobs-a"
On the topic though
1st That road is only smooth for couple of kilometres - trust me
2nd did you know that Lee Noble himself is assisting in this project ???
How can something based on a Lambo end up looking so ste?
Clearly a company lacking Automotive design skills... For example I refer to the Bonnet - looks flat and has no shape or styling lines like its been forgotton.... (it probably has after seeing the back end!)
Too focused on trying to make it not look like a Lambo (in which case = fail IMO).
G.
te?Clearly a company lacking Automotive design skills... For example I refer to the Bonnet - looks flat and has no shape or styling lines like its been forgotton.... (it probably has after seeing the back end!)
Too focused on trying to make it not look like a Lambo (in which case = fail IMO).
G.
roadwolf said:
Considering the 3rd oldest car manufacturer was Czechoslovakian, that was long before the communists arrived, also Porsche stole the design to make the VW beetle. MZ had to make racing motorcycles in secret because the communists wouldn't allow it. So perhaps you need some new books.
Sorry, somehow I doubt that these antiquated designs are at all relevant to the car manufacturing now. I was referring to all manner of car parts and machine plants dotted all over the x-eastern bloc, which although very old still produce at least barely acceptable/adequate things. I.e. rockets, navy, aircraft, all that russia and some of its' former allies are still managing to make money on is stuff from the 60s... In turn showing how good the stuff was back in its day.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff