RE: SOTW: Toyota MR2... With A V6
Discussion
Hellbound said:
If you can't quite afford a Stratos...
And if you can afford a stratos, and want a bonkers stable mate for it
http://www.groupbrally.com/toyota.shtml
It's just a bloody car. Any decent spanner man could get it up and running easily? The add bits as necessary to make it drive how you want it. The weight distribution isn't stupid, so it can be made to handle superbly. Just modify, adjust and tweek the suspension until it handles ok. Simples
luke g28 said:
Thats me, drifting my MR2. I am also a driftworks member
I have seen 3 other MR2s currently attending drift days from DW and there was even one competing back on 05.
H2H
While im being a pic w
e ill throw this up as well to prove the pic wasnt right before a spin and it didnt try and kill me with its snappyness.Learn to drive an MR2 and they are hugely rewarding I would love the SOW personally.
Edited by luke g28 on Sunday 14th August 22:39
TameRacingDriver said:
TBH, if anyone on here cannot see why someone would want or enjoy a V6 MR2, then frankly I think they should hand in their PH membership. What is not to like about a 2-seat midship car with an engine that is frankly too big for it!
I've always wanted an MR2 and I always had my heart set on a V6 version but I've ended up with a Turbo instead - still, I'm certainly not disappointed. I don't think the Mk2 is as bad as people say either FWIW, people make out as if they are some kind of heavy barge, but really, they don't feel like that to drive IMHO. Yes it does feel heavier than the others, but then its not exactly hugely heavy especially compared to modern machinery - 1250 kg aint that much these days. Even though the Mk1 is tiny, it's not actually THAT light considering its size - similar size to an Elise, and 25 years old, yet still weighs just shy of a tonne (compared to an Elise that is about 700 kg!).
One day I WILL have a V6 engined MR2, although it may well be a Mk3 (although I'd also consider one with the 190 screamer engine!)
This. I've always wanted an MR2 and I always had my heart set on a V6 version but I've ended up with a Turbo instead - still, I'm certainly not disappointed. I don't think the Mk2 is as bad as people say either FWIW, people make out as if they are some kind of heavy barge, but really, they don't feel like that to drive IMHO. Yes it does feel heavier than the others, but then its not exactly hugely heavy especially compared to modern machinery - 1250 kg aint that much these days. Even though the Mk1 is tiny, it's not actually THAT light considering its size - similar size to an Elise, and 25 years old, yet still weighs just shy of a tonne (compared to an Elise that is about 700 kg!).
One day I WILL have a V6 engined MR2, although it may well be a Mk3 (although I'd also consider one with the 190 screamer engine!)
It needs repeating.
I got depressed reading the first 5 pages. Once again PH has become invaded by mumsnet types.
Great shed!
As per positive comments above, alot of potential here for cheap thrills.. Ok it might be a bit rough around the edges (although the body doesn't look too bad from those pics) but the hard work has been done, and I would honestly snap this up if it was even in this side of the country...
Of course, this car, with this engine, and in this condition does not make it appeal to everyone (thankfully), but disappointed at the number of ill or mis-informed individuals who clearly have no idea (or imagination) of what they are spouting about in terms of the car and the conversion. Not forgetting of course this car is intended purely as bit of fun...
As per positive comments above, alot of potential here for cheap thrills.. Ok it might be a bit rough around the edges (although the body doesn't look too bad from those pics) but the hard work has been done, and I would honestly snap this up if it was even in this side of the country...
Of course, this car, with this engine, and in this condition does not make it appeal to everyone (thankfully), but disappointed at the number of ill or mis-informed individuals who clearly have no idea (or imagination) of what they are spouting about in terms of the car and the conversion. Not forgetting of course this car is intended purely as bit of fun...
Shewie said:
CampDavid said:
As far as it goes, that's so bad I feel the need to post my own SOTW.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3048807.htm
Seriously gyuys, that's aweful (unlike the barge above, which is awesome)
Love the fact that it looks like the 1 OAP owner of the above barge appears to have chopped it in for a bright pink 6 series convertible!!! http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3048807.htm
Seriously gyuys, that's aweful (unlike the barge above, which is awesome)
Who is he? Hugh Hefner?
To say "It smells a bit fishy" is understatement of the year.
Oli.
Actually, I retract my previous statement...
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Stupid car, it's over three years old so it must be an unreliable old deathtrap, it hasn't even got traction or stability control for crying out loud, it would just be plain irresponsible to drive it on the public road, anyway rear wheel drive is lethal in the dry/wet/snow, and it cost a fortune to tax every year, it's not even diesel, bet it doesn't do 55mpg like my brand new financed at £600 a month snooze box So it would cost a fortune in fuel, bet it hasnt even got 634 separate airbags or a cupholder either, and it's only got two seats how on earth can I drive the 0.4 miles to drop my four darling little sts off at school?
WONT SOMBODY PLEASE THINKNOF THE CHILDREN?!!
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Stupid car, it's over three years old so it must be an unreliable old deathtrap, it hasn't even got traction or stability control for crying out loud, it would just be plain irresponsible to drive it on the public road, anyway rear wheel drive is lethal in the dry/wet/snow, and it cost a fortune to tax every year, it's not even diesel, bet it doesn't do 55mpg like my brand new financed at £600 a month snooze box So it would cost a fortune in fuel, bet it hasnt even got 634 separate airbags or a cupholder either, and it's only got two seats how on earth can I drive the 0.4 miles to drop my four darling little s
ts off at school?WONT SOMBODY PLEASE THINKNOF THE CHILDREN?!!
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They're lethal in the wet.
Especially with a st driver and equally st tyres.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXRG-7esYI
Especially with a s
t driver and equally st tyres.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXRG-7esYI
OlberJ said:
They're lethal in the wet.
Especially with a st driver and equally st tyres.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXRG-7esYI
Especially with a s
t driver and equally st tyres.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXRG-7esYI
Every vehicle is lethal with a s
t driver, and a wall will stop you dead in 0.1 sec no matter what tyre or weather.LOL - what a thread!
great SOTW - it will be a real fun car for the right person (who isn't afraid of a spanner) and not too expensive to sort if it all is as stated.
There has been a lot of talk about other variants of the MR2, but the older AW11 is a cracking track car.
I have extensively tracked both the std NA UK car and the Supercharged version.
All you need is good suspension and tyres and a good driver in an aw11 will embarass plenty drivers of more expensive track cars - Spa was a real hoot passing badly driven porkers and elises in a 25yr old mk1
i really miss my old mk1 mr2's
amazing for the price IMO, as there is no other 2-seater rwd car that will be a good comparison unless u count the mx5 - but you don't get the nice retro feeling.
great SOTW - it will be a real fun car for the right person (who isn't afraid of a spanner) and not too expensive to sort if it all is as stated.
There has been a lot of talk about other variants of the MR2, but the older AW11 is a cracking track car.
I have extensively tracked both the std NA UK car and the Supercharged version.
All you need is good suspension and tyres and a good driver in an aw11 will embarass plenty drivers of more expensive track cars - Spa was a real hoot passing badly driven porkers and elises in a 25yr old mk1
i really miss my old mk1 mr2's
amazing for the price IMO, as there is no other 2-seater rwd car that will be a good comparison unless u count the mx5 - but you don't get the nice retro feeling.
Who do i see to claim back the past hour of my life wasted reading some of the garbage in here lol!
The mk1 is a cracking handling car. With a lightweight alloy engine (that is not far off the weight of the original engine) pushing nearly twice the power makes for a real giant slayer - NO QUESTIONS! I would love to see a mk1 v6 up against a purple pendulum a$$ed, 6-cylinder "beetle" through the twisties as i know there'd be only one outcome... That'd be the porkie porker being recovered from a ditch for desperately trying to keep up!
I have proven porsches to be slower on the twisties than my heavier mk2 v6 ... but then i have spent a fair wedge on suspension, wheels/tyres and geometry. and as with all things you get out what you put in.
I'd like to add that the majority of mk1 and mk2's DO NOT have ABS, unlike most things German hey!
I agree the folk who drive the MR2 has changed but that is bound to happen given the price you can pick one up for. I defy anybody to have as much fun behind the wheel in any other car this cheap, just not happening. Having driven Astons, TVR's, all the S series Audi and of course M3's (6-cyl) & M5's (v8) ... none of them give anywhere near the "fun factor".
Just because some of you have the money to buy a £40k porsche/audi/bmw/eurobox, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be any better handling than something 20 years it's senior... really ... life behind rose-tinted glasses must be nice for y'all.
Finally, think to yourself next time you push the start button of your 40k eurobox with ESC/EDB/ABS/TC/AYC et al ...."who's driving this car; me or a computer?" I KNOW who drives mine
If i didn't have 4 MR2's already i would be buying this one as well.... at that price it's a steal!
The mk1 is a cracking handling car. With a lightweight alloy engine (that is not far off the weight of the original engine) pushing nearly twice the power makes for a real giant slayer - NO QUESTIONS! I would love to see a mk1 v6 up against a purple pendulum a$$ed, 6-cylinder "beetle" through the twisties as i know there'd be only one outcome... That'd be the porkie porker being recovered from a ditch for desperately trying to keep up!
I have proven porsches to be slower on the twisties than my heavier mk2 v6 ... but then i have spent a fair wedge on suspension, wheels/tyres and geometry. and as with all things you get out what you put in.
I'd like to add that the majority of mk1 and mk2's DO NOT have ABS, unlike most things German hey!
I agree the folk who drive the MR2 has changed but that is bound to happen given the price you can pick one up for. I defy anybody to have as much fun behind the wheel in any other car this cheap, just not happening. Having driven Astons, TVR's, all the S series Audi and of course M3's (6-cyl) & M5's (v8) ... none of them give anywhere near the "fun factor".
Just because some of you have the money to buy a £40k porsche/audi/bmw/eurobox, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be any better handling than something 20 years it's senior... really ... life behind rose-tinted glasses must be nice for y'all.
Finally, think to yourself next time you push the start button of your 40k eurobox with ESC/EDB/ABS/TC/AYC et al ...."who's driving this car; me or a computer?" I KNOW who drives mine
If i didn't have 4 MR2's already i would be buying this one as well.... at that price it's a steal!
ZesPak said:
dpeg said:
... life behind rose-tinted glasses must be nice for y'all.
I don't know, why don't you tell us? 
You know, calling 911s "beetles" doesn't really help your argument.
I had typed out a big reply and further food for thought but really what's the point...? I read it though and realised i was wasting my time. I'll go back to improving my own car myself while the likes of "thewheelman" ..... nah forget it. pointless.... As a good friend of mine says "never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience" (that's not directed at you Zespak)
Last thing i'll ever post on here is that some people really need their eyes opening.....
Can't believe I missed this thread, although after reading it I think that I would likely have been better off not finding it! I'd have the last hour back at any rate.
I guess the crux of what I'm saying is that "comment is free". You can post something of no real value except to serve for your own amusement. However, whilst an opinion is one thing (and potentially entertaining or educational), a small but growing proportion of what has been posted on here over the last couple of years is beginning to overshadow the good stuff (the latter including reasoned discussion / debate and the odd bit of mutual car-related appreciation - prose, pictures, videos, meets - without decending into a circle-jerk...). I guess the medium is showing its limitations...
I can understand and accept those who wouldn't want to own this car or one like it, but this thread has for the most part been another depressing exposition of the "PH mindset" that seems to be worringly fashionable. When did a supposed home for car and driving enthusiasts degenerate into such a slum of self-satisfied pseudo-intellectuals? I'm willing to bet (well, hope) that there would have been a slightly more polite reception if the car had been posted in the reader's cars forum - the odd "it's not quite to my taste but good on you and enjoy" notwithstanding.
I own a heavily modified, V6 powered AW11 Mk1a. It's not especially clever or remotely sensible, but I enjoy it. I have no illusions about its perfomance (strong) or its aesthetics (I like them) or its "heritage" (wtf is that anyway?). I have no desire to compare it to any other car I've owned or driven other than in terms of the driving enjoyment it gives me, which is plenty when I get the chance.
The only problems I've had relate to the facts that (i) I decided to push the boundaries a bit on the established conversion process (2GR-FE in preference to 3VZ-FE or 1MZ-FE), hence I needed quite a bit of work plus a few bespoke bits, and (ii) I don't get to drive it enough. That said, you can get an AW11 or SW20 with a V6 from Paul and Anth at Woodsport (the guys who did mine) for less than you'd think, assuming you don't go quite as far as I did. This doesn't mean to say I don't want to try other cars - I'm just trying this for now.
It's been a learning experience (as any heavily modifed project car would be) but the conversion itself was largely painless and car is nearly there now - just a bit of bodywork to tidy up and it will be more or less as I want it (and an order of magnitude quicker than strictly necessary) barring the garnish
A poor picture but it always looks best with a smattering of road grime imho.
Back on topic - the car in question is a bargain. You can finish it and enjoy it for what it is (something different, brisk and fun) or strip it and flip it for cash - the asking price could easily be recovered plus another 20-30% at least, which should more than cover your time. The former is arguably more satisfying, the latter more gratifying for those motivated purely by economics (or the need for cheap parts to save their AW11 or camry!). Either way, no need for all the handbags and pitchforks.
I guess the crux of what I'm saying is that "comment is free". You can post something of no real value except to serve for your own amusement. However, whilst an opinion is one thing (and potentially entertaining or educational), a small but growing proportion of what has been posted on here over the last couple of years is beginning to overshadow the good stuff (the latter including reasoned discussion / debate and the odd bit of mutual car-related appreciation - prose, pictures, videos, meets - without decending into a circle-jerk...). I guess the medium is showing its limitations...
I can understand and accept those who wouldn't want to own this car or one like it, but this thread has for the most part been another depressing exposition of the "PH mindset" that seems to be worringly fashionable. When did a supposed home for car and driving enthusiasts degenerate into such a slum of self-satisfied pseudo-intellectuals? I'm willing to bet (well, hope) that there would have been a slightly more polite reception if the car had been posted in the reader's cars forum - the odd "it's not quite to my taste but good on you and enjoy" notwithstanding.
I own a heavily modified, V6 powered AW11 Mk1a. It's not especially clever or remotely sensible, but I enjoy it. I have no illusions about its perfomance (strong) or its aesthetics (I like them) or its "heritage" (wtf is that anyway?). I have no desire to compare it to any other car I've owned or driven other than in terms of the driving enjoyment it gives me, which is plenty when I get the chance.
The only problems I've had relate to the facts that (i) I decided to push the boundaries a bit on the established conversion process (2GR-FE in preference to 3VZ-FE or 1MZ-FE), hence I needed quite a bit of work plus a few bespoke bits, and (ii) I don't get to drive it enough. That said, you can get an AW11 or SW20 with a V6 from Paul and Anth at Woodsport (the guys who did mine) for less than you'd think, assuming you don't go quite as far as I did. This doesn't mean to say I don't want to try other cars - I'm just trying this for now.
It's been a learning experience (as any heavily modifed project car would be) but the conversion itself was largely painless and car is nearly there now - just a bit of bodywork to tidy up and it will be more or less as I want it (and an order of magnitude quicker than strictly necessary) barring the garnish
A poor picture but it always looks best with a smattering of road grime imho.
Back on topic - the car in question is a bargain. You can finish it and enjoy it for what it is (something different, brisk and fun) or strip it and flip it for cash - the asking price could easily be recovered plus another 20-30% at least, which should more than cover your time. The former is arguably more satisfying, the latter more gratifying for those motivated purely by economics (or the need for cheap parts to save their AW11 or camry!). Either way, no need for all the handbags and pitchforks.
I can't believe an Mk1 MR2 thread got this far without me posting pics:
Here's my ex car:
Such fantastic cars. Not the fastest, not the best handling, but they've got character and guts in spades.
If I was braver, I would have kept mine and sent it to woodsport. I Always hankered after a AE111 S/C conversion with a six speed box. I felt that was more in keeping with the character of the car than the 2.0 Turbo or V6 route. But I loved this shed, I felt it had so much potential. And shame on those who call themselves pistonheads and do it down!
Keep driving the Audis whilst you buy the good cars for your wives, fellas! :wink:
Here's my ex car:
Such fantastic cars. Not the fastest, not the best handling, but they've got character and guts in spades.
If I was braver, I would have kept mine and sent it to woodsport. I Always hankered after a AE111 S/C conversion with a six speed box. I felt that was more in keeping with the character of the car than the 2.0 Turbo or V6 route. But I loved this shed, I felt it had so much potential. And shame on those who call themselves pistonheads and do it down!
Keep driving the Audis whilst you buy the good cars for your wives, fellas! :wink:
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